Chelsea Manning files to run for US Senate seat in Maryland

Fogdog

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You are a "far left wacko". You're the ones dividing the left. The actual left has been united since Trump took office. Neoliberals like you refuse to align with us because progressive political goals contradict your actual agenda. Your political stances are what actually divide the left and strengthen the right.
You aren't far left. Your economic policies come from Bernie and he's far from far left. He's pretty much touting ideas that are mainstream Democratic Party planks in the platform. That's not a bad thing its just not "far left". Social politics regarding women's rigths, social equality and gay rights that you endorse are goddamn right wing status quo white male supremacy BS.

You are a cynical bastard who would capitulate to the right. If it were up to you, there would be no effective opposition to Trumpism.
 

dagwood45431

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You aren't far left. Your economic policies come from Bernie and he's far from far left. He's pretty much touting ideas that are mainstream Democratic Party planks in the platform. That's not a bad thing its just not "far left". Social politics regarding women's rigths, social equality and gay rights that you endorse are goddamn right wing status quo white male supremacy BS.

You are a cynical bastard who would capitulate to the right. If it were up to you, there would be no effective opposition to Trumpism.
Not to mention that there is no room for Pada's racism, misogyny and homophobia in any "actual left". Fucking poser.
 

Padawanbater2

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the "news" sources you use, like counterpunch
I've never cited counterpunch
"This is common knowledge" is not a cite, you obtuse jackass. Slink away.
I cited the BBC and Wired.com in the post you quoted
what is so damning about these videos?
The clip in question cited as 'Collateral Murder' shows American soldiers actively committing war crimes. That's a pretty big deal
It's completely reasonable to ask if Wikileaks' material is valid. Manning gave the stuff to Wikileaks -- which has ties to Russian intelligence agencies -- then from Wikileaks, it is passed on to news outlets who have no way of telling if anything has been censored, distorted or doctored or 100% accurate.
The US government admitted it was valid by prosecuting and convicting Manning for leaking it. Not only that, you can tell it's valid by watching the clip, these are American pilots with American accents in Baghdad firing on a group of innocent people, including two AP journalists and two children. Are you implying this clip is a fabrication? That it's 'fake', that it never happened? That two American journalists were not killed?



or whomever posted that you-tube video about Israel you lifted a translation from earlier.
Is the translation false or misleading?
I did cite multiple mainstream sources. You've denied them all claiming they're fake, just like Trump does with anything he doesn't like
You aren't far left.
No shit. That's exactly what tty and I have been saying since 2016. Our policies are largely pretty center of the road, economics being slightly left of center. That's why it's easy for people who call themselves conservatives to understand and support our policies and that's why Sanders receives standing ovations in deep red states/districts whenever he visits them. Things like universal healthcare, universal college, a living wage, etc. are not exclusive to the left. Many conservatives and independents support them, too.
Social politics regarding women's rigths, social equality and gay rights that you endorse are goddamn right wing status quo white male supremacy BS.
Nonsense. You say this because you disagree with the language I choose to use, not the policies I support
You are a cynical bastard who would capitulate to the right. If it were up to you, there would be no effective opposition to Trumpism.
You support Democratic politicians who capitulate to the right, like Joe Manchin and Heidi Heitkamp, not me. You defend them from getting primaried by more progressive Democrats because you believe a more progressive Democrat in a red state will lose to the Republican. Because of people like you, there is no effective opposition to Trumpism. Only McResistance. Fabricated, fake, opposition.
 

Padawanbater2

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hey guys...

DID YOU EVEN WATCH THE VIDEO?!?
Turner admits to committing war crimes

The fact that you and your ilk deny war crimes even took place during the Iraq war is absolutely fucking shameful. You're nothing but George Bush apologists.

To think, in 2018, people who consider themselves progressive would champion George W. Bush's administration is absolutely shameful. This guy is a war criminal, along with his entire cabinet. To defend him just because someone you view as your political opponent shames him is fucking embarrassing, goddamn! The stoop in which you will strive for has no bottom.
 

Padawanbater2

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You're denying it in this thread, trying to justify American action in Iraq and Afghanistan as righteous and just because Manning chose to expose it otherwise, as inhumane and against the rule of law

Absolutely disgraceful
 

Padawanbater2

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You deny the fact that Manning was responsible for leaking the Collateral Murder clip that led to her being imprisoned for more than half a decade
 

UncleBuck

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You deny the fact that Manning was responsible for leaking the Collateral Murder clip that led to her being imprisoned for more than half a decade
so you're giving up on your original claim, and now trying to make another claim that you cannot quote me on instead?

if you're gonna move the goalposts, don't move from 'indefensibly wrong' to 'also indefensibly wrong'.
 

Terps

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You deny the fact that Manning was responsible for leaking the Collateral Murder clip that led to her being imprisoned for more than half a decade
Just the fact you can not understand how bad he/she's crime was and how many lives were put in danger because of it shows me that your just another sheep following the far left prop.
 

Fogdog

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I've never cited counterpunch

I cited the BBC and Wired.com in the post you quoted

The clip in question cited as 'Collateral Murder' shows American soldiers actively committing war crimes. That's a pretty big deal

The US government admitted it was valid by prosecuting and convicting Manning for leaking it. Not only that, you can tell it's valid by watching the clip, these are American pilots with American accents in Baghdad firing on a group of innocent people, including two AP journalists and two children. Are you implying this clip is a fabrication? That it's 'fake', that it never happened? That two American journalists were not killed?




Is the translation false or misleading?

I did cite multiple mainstream sources. You've denied them all claiming they're fake, just like Trump does with anything he doesn't like

No shit. That's exactly what tty and I have been saying since 2016. Our policies are largely pretty center of the road, economics being slightly left of center. That's why it's easy for people who call themselves conservatives to understand and support our policies and that's why Sanders receives standing ovations in deep red states/districts whenever he visits them. Things like universal healthcare, universal college, a living wage, etc. are not exclusive to the left. Many conservatives and independents support them, too.

Nonsense. You say this because you disagree with the language I choose to use, not the policies I support

You support Democratic politicians who capitulate to the right, like Joe Manchin and Heidi Heitkamp, not me. You defend them from getting primaried by more progressive Democrats because you believe a more progressive Democrat in a red state will lose to the Republican. Because of people like you, there is no effective opposition to Trumpism. Only McResistance. Fabricated, fake, opposition.
The BBC articles factually stated the contents of the wikileaks files. They didn't give any background or confrimatory information. Most certainly didn't call anything "the murder video". I'm just asking for details about that raid and background information so I can be outraged about the murder video like you. I won't take your word for it. What information justifies calling those vids evidence of war crimes?

What Congressmen did I support that capitulated to the right like Joe Manchin? Manchin isn't my state senator, he's West VA's senator. I never gave him any support. I support Congressmen from Oregon. Every one of the congressmen from Oregon voted against the FISA re-authorization or are on record of opposing it in the Senate. How did your representative vote on the FISA bill? Too funny that you think Democrats are the reason that bill went through. Your cynical belief is stunting your ability to think. Your should challenge your false beliefs and maybe you will become a better problem solver. I mean, duh, Democrats are outnumbered in Congress right now. Of course they don't drive the agenda.

Regarding effective opposition, we'll see what happens next week when a bipartisan group of Senators filibuster the FISA re-authorization bill.

Is this where you cite poll results from April of last year that shows how popular Bernie Sanders is? What effective opposition did Independents mount between now and then? You do realize that his unfinished healthcare bill failed to even get into committee is because Republicans laughed it off, don't you? Do you recall that a record number of Democratic caucus Senators signed on as co-sponsors for Bernie's bill? But you still blame Democrats who don't have control of the agenda for it failing to go anywhere, don't you? LOL. So wrong, pad.
 
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Padawanbater2

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Just the fact you can not understand how bad he/she's crime was and how many lives were put in danger because of it shows me that your just another sheep following the far left prop.
Whose life was put in danger by the information leaked by Manning?
 

Padawanbater2

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Name a single person whose life was put at risk because of the information Chelsea Manning leaked. You can't because that's a military industrial complex talking point. Thanks for doing their bidding.
 

Padawanbater2

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It was enough to get him a 35 year prison sentence idiot.. Some of that classified information he let Had military methods and I believe was CIA Methods in it. I didn't say anyone died I said did you know how many lives were put at risk. But you keep following them far left sheep to crazy town
OK, so how many lives were put at risk by the information Manning leaked?

How did you quantify that number?
 
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