CBD Breeding Experiment: Tesla-CBDream- Blueberry

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    BCBDz

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    Howdy Folks!

    I'm gonna try my hand at some crossing between AKG's Tesla, CropKings CBDream, and what is supposed to be Blueberry that I got from a friend. I am aware that you normally don't cross fem beans (cbdream) but to hell with it, I'm doing it anyhow. I've grown a pile of crops outdoors but very few indoors, and I've never chucked any pollen so this will be a first.
     
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    BCBDz

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    Well.....3 days from sprout and 1 of the 2 Blueberry beans came up a whirly bird, lets hope the other one is a lady or i'll be hooped.
     

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    BCBDz

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    The Blueberry Whirlybird after week 1
     

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    BCBDz

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    Here the end of week 2 after deleting some of the weaker ones, re pot in to 2 gallon fabric pots, and moving into their new digs...and the little Whirlybird too.I certainly could have left the re pot until the end of week 3, but no later. I started out with some shitty seedling soil which I believe hindered root development, but they're in the Promix hp with a little added lime now. I'm approaching the end of week 3 and I'll update this then. Cheers
     

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    BCBDz

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    Couple details: I sprout my seedling under 2 24w t5's for two weeks, then move to 400w mh for veg, then to 1000w hps for flowering in an air cooled hood. I always use pro mix hp, indoors I use organic liquid nutes and outdoors I mix my own organic super soil.

    Normally I go peat pellets until leaves open up (3 days from sprout) then solo cups until week 2 end, 2 gallons until week 5 end, then into either 5 or 7g and flip to flower at week 6 end. Week 6 they either get put outside in 7g or flowered under the 1000 in 5g.

    For indoors, I could probably go to 1g , then finish in 3g but not this go round as these will end up outside.

    I haven't grown either the Tesla or Blueberry but I did a batch each of outdoor and indoor CBDream last year. The outdoor produced much bigger buds just not as dense, while the indoor buds were 1/2 the size but hard as a rock. All the variables were the exact same except the natural sunlight vs 1000w hps and possibly a natural wind vs a manufactured one.
     

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    BCBDz

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    end of week 3 today. The Whirlybird is doing some funky things. The 1st node has 4 secondary branching and the 2nd has 3. I kinda want to top it but i'm too curious to see what else it does. Anyhow, most are working on their 5th node and a few lazy ones on their 4th. My little test with the hand full of clay pellets on top of the soil definitely helps keep the moisture in the soil.
     

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    TerpBot

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    The CBDDream has a 1:1 CBD/THC ratio, what are your expectations in regards to CBD from the crosses?

    I'm working on a similar experiment with Candida.
     
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    BCBDz

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    I suppose my ideal outcome would be around a 2:1 or better cbd/thc with a blueberry/jasmine sorta flavour. I understand genetics fairly well just not how cannabinoid ratios get passed on. Where are you at in your experiment Terpbot?
     
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    BCBDz

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    Alright, couple notes for the end of week 4 from sprout. Plant heights range from 6" to 12" with the majority between 8" and 12". Sitting around 7 to 8 nodes with the exception of two lazy Tesla's with 6 nodes. The Blueberry whirlybird is no longer doing whirlybird things. It seems it was just the first two nodes. The other Blueberry is a fine indica specimen and I hope it has lady parts. The CB Dream seems to have gotten past the leaf twist they all had as a seedling, which I figure is a PH sensitivity with this strain and also due to the garbage seedling mix I started with. The Tesla's seems to be fairly uniform and two of them are starting to show sex as of two days ago. Nothing identifiable yet though. I added all the clay pellets on top of the soil that I had and with that, I only need to water once a week, the ones without needed watered after 5 days.

    Mother Nature decided to foil my plans and spring is a few weeks late which put's me at around 9 weeks from sprout until the move outside....which is waaay too long. The plants had already outgrown the footprint of the 400 mh, so a decision was made to fire up the 1000w hps, flip to 12/12, and flower in the 2 gallon pots with no transplant, starting today. I may regret that decision but really, the goal here is to get the offspring of this round started as soon as possible. I couldn't care less about yield so that's a non issue, plus I can weed out some males and free up some space.

    Essentially, the plan is to cross a select Tesla male with the Blueberry and the CB Dream, and probably cross the Tesla male with a couple different Tesla females while I'm at it.

    Let the stretching begin!
     

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    BCBDz

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    oops that was the wrong pic, here's a better one
     

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    BCBDz

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    Well Week 5 done and 7 days from flip. Couple notes and observations: Blueberry both females 2 for 2. The Tesla's out of 9 are 4 Males/3 females/2 unconfirmed but I'm pretty sure they are ladies. The CBDream is a fem bean, and I ditched a few of her sisters to free up space so I'm down to one. I'm going to have to cross the Whirlybird Blueberry because it stinks so so good! By far and away the stinkiest plant I've come across, at least this early anyhow....it just stinks up the whole room, it's really impressive. I selected my two favorite male Tesla's and ditched the other two. I also re-potted the one blueberry and the CBDream to 2 gallon fabric pots. 7 days from flip is about as late as I will re-pot so it was now or never.
     
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    GreenHighlander

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    Subbed as I plan on doing the same with a few cbd strains in the near future.
    Thank you for sharing.
    Cheers :)
     
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    BCBDz

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    Wouldn't let me upload a pic last night. Greenhighlander, when you start the process, let me know. I'd like to see your results. Also, as of today, the two unconfirmed Tesla's are females
     

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    BCBDz

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    Week 6 end 14 days into flowering. The two males have been removed to a different low light location with the hope they slow down a little and also, no sense taking any chances. They look to be a few days from dropping pollen

    One female Tesla was removed due to it going hermie. Interesting to note that I had a significant light leak coming through the crack in the door which was never a problem during winter daylight hours. The plant that went hermie was the one closest to the light leak. The side of the plant facing the light leak was all male, the side that wasn't was all female. I could split the plant in half like splitting a piece of wood and you would think they were two different plants.

    Remaining female plants (7) are between 27" to 22" high with the exception of the Blueberry (14") and the Blueberry Whirlybird (16.5"). All at around 12 nodes and starting to produce budlets. The one Blueberry and CBDream are flowering slightly slower than the rest due to a late repot. I am watering every 5 days now and I'm sure that will switch to 4 with the next watering.
     

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    BCBDz

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    Alright, I missed a week but nothing much to report. The girls are now outside. They start their day off in a room where the light kicks on then I move outdoors when I get a chance. I have it set up so that night falls after 13 hours of daylight, so I just put them back in at some point over night. The males have been destroyed after I pollinated a couple lower bud sites via the paintbrush method on day 21 of flower. The calyxs on the pollinated bud sites are just starting to swell now on day 28 of flowering.

    Buds are starting to get frosty and are really starting to grow. I'm watering every 3 days now and the plants are using a lot of nutes in the 2 gallon pots. I for sure won't be finishing in 2 gallons again and I already regret that decision. I'm sure it's going to be tricky to get things right in another couple weeks when they will likely need watered every stinkin day! Oh well, live and learn.

    The CB Dream is a fair bit behind the rest and I'm not sure why. They were a little slow to flower the last run but I don't remember them being this slow. The small blueberry which was also repotted late is actually ahead of the rest now as far as bud development is concerned.

    1st pic is a Tesla/ 2nd pic is a Blueberry
     

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    TerpBot

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    Never ended up receiving the Candida I was hoping for - but instead found a "flowering hemp" strain that can be grown in a bunch of hemp-friendly states, the breeder I got it from said the flower yields 20-30% cannabinoids with a 30:1 CBD:THC ratio. So, I got those seeds, and they're germinating right now - a bunch of them have sprouted, and they are healthy. The plan is to cross them with Clementine, Jack Herer, Mimosa, Girl Scout Cookies, Purple Kush, GDP, Sour Patch Kids, and a few others. I'd like to improve the flavor and get the strains to consistently produce at least a 20:1 ratio - we'll be having everything tested for cannabinoids and for terpenes, so at the very least we'll have some insight on what happens with these crosses.
     
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    BCBDz

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    Terpbot, Although there are many good 20:1 strains out there, part of the fun is making your own personalized strain, so I understand where you're coming from. I find there to be a real lack of stable 2:1 or 3:1 cbd/thc strains out there so that is my goal.

    I should probably describe my process a little bit. Basically I identified my two favourite Tesla males and collected pollen from each in separate viles. I then used two clean paintbrushes and pollinated two separate branches on each one of my females in a separate room with zero airflow. One plant at a time and after I dabbed the pollen on, the plant was immediately rinsed down, then heavily rinsed down again once outside. Branches were tagged. I had wondered if the pollen needed time to "set" but it definitely does not. Dab it on and rinse it right off, the pollen sets immediately. I have no accidental pollination outside of the branch I dabbed that I can see, and it would have most certainly showed up by now.
     
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    TerpBot

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    Well, true, I want to create my own - but those sorts of strains are really good places to start. The holy grail in my opinion is a high CBD strain with a very compelling flavor, and secondly having that ratio stay stable. Whatever comes of these crosses will be something new - and the exciting thing is that it's hard to say exactly just yet what that will be.

    Do you think it's necessary to rinse off the pollen? Have you successfully pollenated isolated flowers?

     
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    OldMedUser

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    I recently dusted some lower buds on plants in my flowering room. Fans off and left them in the dark until just before lights on the next day then sprayed a lot of water around to kill any loose pollen. I thought.

    Seems that didn't go well and all the plants have random seeds in them and the bud growth is stopping on the four shorter plants. 2 AK47 and 2 Critical Mass all grown from seed. Going to take a big hit on yield from them. The 3 taller plants didn't get hit so bad and seem to be still keeping their white hairs and bud growth but I won't be doing that again. :(

    I will usually remove any plant I want to dust a branch on from the room, cover the plant with a garbage bag then cut a slit to bring a branch out and dust it then leave until the morning and spray everything down with water before taking the bag off and putting the girl back in the flowering room. Going to take cuttings to flower out and dust those instead for now on.

    :peace:
     
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    OldMedUser

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    High BCBDz

    I'm doing some breeding and growing of CBD strains myself all indoors tho.

    I have one OTTO#1 female that I will be crossing with many of my old regular strains I like to try to find different CBD versions of them. The Otto is a hemp varietal specifically bred to have high CBD, up to 27%, and low THC, <1%. A pathetic yielder but a good base for getting some CBD into other strains.

    I plan to try the colloidal silver I make on one of it's clones to see if I can get some fem seeds off her. Never did get a male as only one seed out of the 6 I got from a buddy ever sprouted. He also sent me some seeds of it crossed with Cannatonic, (named GoldFish that I have two girls of), and those ones crossed with Herijuana that I haven't sprouted yet.

    I make that stuff into cocobudder and it's great for my arthritis and helpful for the chronic depression tho I'm hoping once crossed with some of my favourite sativa hybrids I can find a mix that does both well.

    Good luck with yours!

    :peace:
     

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