Cannabis Connoisseur or just a Snob?

Nizza said:

i understand using a little bit of bloom boosters in a big planter with plenty of N, early or mid flower, but come mid flower you most likely have used up the N in your soil, and have to use an N feed now. Since i use coco which is inert, i use dyna gro foliage pro throughout the grow, with everything nice and green all throughout the grow.
I like the fact that its good on its own and i don't need all the other crap, but i also use the pro-tekt, and a cal-mag(because i'm in coco). In soil, the foliage pro can be used on its own (but i like to use the silica additive)


how do yall feel about carbo loads?
I use humboldt honey and i like the product, and don't have to use much.

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I love dyna gro. i use the grow and bloom. I used to use cal/mag but dont use RO anymore so i dont really need it. Only other thing is snow storm ultra and the occasional molasses. Id probably just get molasses and snow storm ultra instead of a carbo loader. Unless you found one really cheap cause theyre just sugars and vitamins. Little bottle of snow storm will run you 10-12 bucks and molasses probably no more than 5. Both should last you 6 months to a year depending on size of set up.

thanks sikkinixx - in order for me to even start an experiment, i needed to know generally what my conditions should be and what i need to do for a control. i am all for experimenting on my own and coming to my own conclusions, but i don't know what i don't know--so i'm asking.

budbro18 i've really enjoyed all the information you gave me throughout this thread!! i particularly enjoyed your info on your own experiment, and look forward to doing my own with the new information i possess!! Thanks very much. Can't +rep you until i spread some around, but thanks again!

budbro18 said:

I ran the same strain for a little over a year and thats what i did.

Through my own, less than scientific, but with the same clone. Tested with a week to 10 day flush, a 2 week flush, then no flush. On the no flush i do scale back the amount of nutrients slightly. But never more than 25%. Also, I never "flush" the plant with excessive amounts of plain water. Ill give it plain water but just the usual amount to give me some run off like always.

From my conclusion, you lose alot from the 2 week flush, not as much from a one week flush. Mainly density and overall yield. I developed calcium and magnesium def as well. For people growing with anything besides a super soil type mix, flushing doesnt work, in the sense that you cant not give your plants anything for that long of a time. With peat/coco or hempy and even straight dirt. Unless its enriched to the point of super soil than its not going to be able to last 7-14 days in the ripening/swelling phase of the plant. It just never made sense to me not to be giving the plant nutrients.

If you feed with the right amount, ph right, and dont go too hard with your bloom ferts, then youll never have to flush.

If you over do the ferts, or have a ph problem then i would encourage you to "flush" your plants with plain ph'd water. But it wouldnt be for more than 3-5 days and then would continue with nutes after.

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little butch, i'm curious if you've also smoked cigarettes? i would agree with you that perhaps your body is doing something different with what you've inhaled over your lifetime.

wdk420 said:

Flushing is to remove the chemicals trapt in the bud still which give it that chemical catpiss smell. If your ashes are black you have not properly flushed and you are smoking chemicals which harm the lungs and throat. If your ashes are white you have properly flushed the fertilizers out of your bud.

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Cannabis plants are from the same family as stinging nettles and stinging nettles also have that acrid aroma (or, as you so eloquently phrased it 'that chemical cat piss smell').
Are people going around the worlds green spaces to spray all the nettles with chemicals also?

Can you support a single one of your statements with any supporting evidence?
I'm guessing 'No'.

These old wife's tales seem particularly popular within the pothead crowd but mostly they can be easily exposed as incorrect assumptions or perpetuated urban myths.

And it's 'trapped'.
There is no such word as 'trapt' FFS!

budbro18 said:

No problem. It has nothing to do with flushing. Ive fed plants up until a day or 2 before harvest and they dont taste like "chemicals" because i dry/cure right.

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Please, Sir BudBro18, please tell me how you dry/cure. I would greatly appreciate it!

DJapeshit said:

Please, Sir BudBro18, please tell me how you dry/cure. I would greatly appreciate it!

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I kill the light 3 days before harvest and keep the fans runnin 24/7. This step helps the most ive found.



Then, after those 3 days, i trim them all lightly leaving a little extra sugar leaf on and take them all off the stem. I have a spin pro so instead of the recommended 15-20 revs i give it 10ish.



Then i get my dry net, pack the buds to the point that theyre touching one another but not on top of each other, then close my closet.

First 24 hours i dont open the door. After that i open and give the buds a toss, check for any mold which i never have, and prop the door open a few inches to let air flow through.

Since its winter i do the full day shut. In summer its cracked open the first day and opened a little more the second.

3rd day i usually have the door open about 1/3 of the way. Make sure to check em everyday and give em a tumble to flip em all over.



The next day i throw them all into a tupperware. Something thats not super air tight but doesnt give the buds alot of breathing room.

By now theyre crispy on the outside so they need the confinement.

Let em sit in the tupperware for 2-3 days depending on the season/humidity. Making sure to empty them out and give em a little tumble to pull the ones in the center to the outside and vice versa.

Thats it. Its nothing technical. Your standard dry/cure with a few little extras for me. I used to use my tent but production is so quick i cant leave it empty for that long. Stuff in veg needs to flower! haha



The darkness helps alot in the dry/cure. Helps the plant dry out slowly over the 3 days. The buds pull alot of moisture out of the stems. Im not sure if they actually pull it through the stems or absorb it through the air but ive always noticed the stems shrink a little after the 3 days.


The main point of all of this:::


The darkness really helps break down the left over starches earlier to get a jump on the cure. Those starches are what people mistake for "chemicals/nutes"


Hoped this helps!

As far as flushing goes, weed is legal (at least medicinally) in several countries, so why doesn't someone just officially test it? Where are the botanists? You'd think there would be a few botanist pot-heads out there. If flushing does nothing then it is a pretty widespread misconception, a simple test to prove it can't be that expensive

johnnynice said:

As far as flushing goes, weed is legal (at least medicinally) in several countries, so why doesn't someone just officially test it? Where are the botanists? You'd think there would be a few botanist pot-heads out there. If flushing does nothing then it is a pretty widespread misconception, a simple test to prove it can't be that expensive

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Its because its still federally illegal so no matter how many state/city forms you have that say its legal the DEA can come crashin through your door no matter what and take your whole life basically.

Also, there are many great misconceptions on many sites from defoliation to flushing to "snake oils" and the only way to see through the bullshit is to do it yourself and figure it out. But i can tell you that dispensaries that do tests on strains to make sure there are not molds/chemicals sprayed on the outside would be able to tell if the person didnt flush or not and i know that they wouldnt be able to tell that because it doesnt do anything besides drop your yield. It doesnt work like that haha.

johnnynice said:

As far as flushing goes, weed is legal (at least medicinally) in several countries, so why doesn't someone just officially test it? Where are the botanists? You'd think there would be a few botanist pot-heads out there. If flushing does nothing then it is a pretty widespread misconception, a simple test to prove it can't be that expensive

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Because people that know botany don't want to waste there time on forum myths.

Test won't prove anything..there will always be nutes in your bud
There are supposed to be nutes in your bud...its the misconception that they are what is giving the harsh hot acrid taste that is burning chlorophyll and starches, causing this flushing issue...
The ash from smoking is literally the nutes..flushing does not even remove nutes from bud or even cause the plant to deplete itself..it creates an abscission layer in the fan leaves, that's their job..this abscission layer keeps the nutes in your bud..flushing will not lower amounts in the bud and stops it from producing to its fullest

you can alter the way your herb burns with nute ratios..tobacco growers know this..weed growers for some reason only look to other weed growers or tomatoes ha..potassium expands when heated and slows the burn, calcium will add weight to your ash and make it whiter...the list goes on...chlorinated nutes negatively impact burn as does ammoniacal n....none of this is hard to find..common knowledge in the tobacco biz.. weed growers for some reason abandoned all prior knowledge and felt like starting over... they don't flush because they know what's going on..the problem is newbs just start growing this plant without taking the time to learn about it..I mean truly understand it..as any other profession would do..whether growing tobacco or a pharmacist...you should understand all the nutes not just the 16 or main 3..why are bloom foods important? How might p effect gpp? terpenes are synthesized from gpp..same with potash, extremely important .. seems to be an increasing trend, I keep hearing green leaves till harvest and no bloom foods and effing "kiss" lol kiss reminds me of high-school....all these "myths" would be easily debunked if people spent some time studying what they are trying to do...

Sorry...kind of went on a rant

Well, I'm sold for now, I don't think I'll be flushing much then, and perhaps I'll look for a book on tobacco growing. Sorry quizoking, I couldn't fully grasp what you were trying to say, what were you saying about green leaves until harvest?

Yea sorry....that was sort of me just venting some uncle ben bull

Its cool if your still lost...your new(or just not on much)
I'm pretty familiar with most of the riu locals

little butch said:

Bud bro...I will admit that in the early days I tried anything and everything nutes, however, your truth by science is simply misguided confidence in what YOU have come to believe. Argue all you want. It wasn't your lungs they sucked a pound of nasty jelly consistency like flem. It was in fact tested and the list of and the strength of fert related compound was huge. You believe "your" truth and we'll see what your lungs are like when you are in your sixties, if you don't flush. No animosity, you just haven't been where I have, and really are not qualified to make a blanket statement, if you haven't been there. Science is nice, but reality can bite you in the ass. Peace & be kind

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Is there any safe way to ask for evidence of this? What about a picture of documentation with all names and addresses blocked out,or is that too risky/inappropriate/not allowed?