Cannabis Connoisseur or just a Snob?

But so many people dont flush.... So many people have smoked for longer than me and even you and there arent people showing up in hospitals eveveryday.

I know growers who grow for dispensaries and dont flush......... Is there anymore to be said? They run panels and panels of tests for molds and insecticides and everything that can harm a patient with cancer, a lung condition, or other serious ailments. Wouldnt you think there would be a test to see if your bud isnt flushed?? And if it really caused such tragic things than there would be a test done. right?

Not everything i said was rock hard science, most was and alot was based on how other fruits and flowers work. The facts were interlaced based on my knowledge of the subject. Which, compared to some people on here, is little. But to most its what you need to know.

I'm almost 60 and I've smoked cannabis and ciggys since the early 70's (quit ciggys 3yrs ago). I'm sure the majority of cannabis I've smoked was not flushed and my recent chest X-rays and physical showed no signs of nutrient chemicals at all. I'm sure I would have been notified about it if there was any problem. I'm skeptical about contributing your physical ailment to unflushed cannabis smoking. Why is it this is the very first time I've heard about this? I would think that the anti-cannabis people (law enforcement agencies, etc.) would jump all over this type of medical evidence to use in their campaign. Medical conditions like you have discribed would have been all over the news. I gotta say, I call B.S. on this.

exactly! fox and the likes would have a field day with that info.

i feel like he lived near a fert plant that blew up or something similar hahaha. monsanto is probably raining down chemicals so that the farmers have to buy the high resistance crop from them. haha

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plant_nutrition#Functions_of_nutrients

its wiki but its more than likely true. Read the different nutrients and what they do. None of them say:"go into fruits and sit there as original element waiting to be flushed/used at the end of flowering"

Look, it's like this, if you really want to know, find out for yourself. Next time flush some, not others, dry some more then others, burp longer ect. I didn't arrive at my conclusions from blind opinion or believing whatever people on RIU say, I did side by side comparisons. I swear by flushing. I think feeding past 6 weeks is a waste of money and detrimental to the plants, but that's just my opinion from my experience. I think when it comes to curing, drying to the point of feeling like you might have over dried it is also important in the smell and taste front. The only way to find out for real is to conduct your own controlled experiments. Your set up is different then mine or anyone else's so ignore the rules and be your own boss.

I ran the same strain for a little over a year and thats what i did.

Through my own, less than scientific, but with the same clone. Tested with a week to 10 day flush, a 2 week flush, then no flush. On the no flush i do scale back the amount of nutrients slightly. But never more than 25%. Also, I never "flush" the plant with excessive amounts of plain water. Ill give it plain water but just the usual amount to give me some run off like always.

From my conclusion, you lose alot from the 2 week flush, not as much from a one week flush. Mainly density and overall yield. I developed calcium and magnesium def as well. For people growing with anything besides a super soil type mix, flushing doesnt work, in the sense that you cant not give your plants anything for that long of a time. With peat/coco or hempy and even straight dirt. Unless its enriched to the point of super soil than its not going to be able to last 7-14 days in the ripening/swelling phase of the plant. It just never made sense to me not to be giving the plant nutrients.

If you feed with the right amount, ph right, and dont go too hard with your bloom ferts, then youll never have to flush.

If you over do the ferts, or have a ph problem then i would encourage you to "flush" your plants with plain ph'd water. But it wouldnt be for more than 3-5 days and then would continue with nutes after.

By my experience, different strains have different tastes. They range from a skunk spraying you in the mouth to a pine taste to a fruity taste. I was told once that if a weed ashed black in a bowl, it was not cured and had lots of nutrients. Grey is some nutrients, and white is no nutrients in the smoke. Not sure if this is just a myth but I have been going by it. I dry my plants for 3-4 days then jar/burp them for a couple weeks and they seem to be really smooth and decent tasting.

Who knows what the grower was doing with the weed you are smoking. I use very light nutes and a couple weeks of curing is just fine with me. If I used what the nutrient bottle recommended my plants would be dead and if anything lived the bud would taste like pure chems I am sure.

BWG707 said:

I'm almost 60 and I've smoked cannabis and ciggys since the early 70's (quit ciggys 3yrs ago). I'm sure the majority of cannabis I've smoked was not flushed and my recent chest X-rays and physical showed no signs of nutrient chemicals at all. I'm sure I would have been notified about it if there was any problem. I'm skeptical about contributing your physical ailment to unflushed cannabis smoking. Why is it this is the very first time I've heard about this? I would think that the anti-cannabis people (law enforcement agencies, etc.) would jump all over this type of medical evidence to use in their campaign. Medical conditions like you have discribed would have been all over the news. I gotta say, I call B.S. on this.

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Haha. It's not about health. It's about enjoyment. Believe what you want.

this is total bull shit... where does this skumk spray come from?????

SeymourGreen said:

A lot of times, growers will spray the bud with a chemical to give it that strong skunk smell and that can give it that chemical test. I prefer my bud all natural. The skunk smell resonated around your apartment/house and is hard to get rid of. I have the spray bottle product called Squelch that totally gets rid of any odor including dank weed smell but i'd rather just not have to worry about the stench at all.

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My weed smells like skunk because it is skunk.

As for a skunk spray I am not sure of this but I do not see why some one would not make one. There is a market for sprays.

Yeah people are crazy. grow good weed, dry it appropriately, and cure to your liking. Doesnt matter if you use miracle grow and jacks classics or AN and the most expensive soil/soilless, or even hydro. NONE of those factors make much of a difference, except, SUPPOSEDLY, and im saying that in all caps for a reason, SUPPOSEDLY, soil grown is SUPPOSED to develop SLIGHTLY more flavors from the more complex micro nutes found in soils or made by the beneficial bacteria. But ive smoked hydro flushed, hydro not flushed, soil/soiless flushed and not flushed. ALL the same. You just get better yields by feeding those last 2 weeks.

The ash thing is not true like stated above. If you burn something fully and at a hot enough temp it will turn to white ash, if you burn something slower and shorter itll turn blackish gray. I roll some good blunts everyday and my ash comes off greyish white because i roll em good so they dont burn too fast or too hot and dont refuse to rip and burn too slow haha.

I did not make my statement to say everyone will go through what I did if they don't flush. Perhaps ther was something particular to MY body that encouraged retention of certain things. I don't know. I do know that medicine is not an exact science, but then neither is growing weed. All you have to do is read this thread and enjoy the total dissent between posters, and every one of you thinks you are right. Myself, I'll believe the Mayo Clinic rather than some fool that is absolutely sure he is right, based on supposition and word of mouth from another inflated ego. I wasn't trying to force anyone to change, just a caution. Do as you wish, I'll be the first to agree on your rights. However, if you read anything in the scientific vein, you know that established laws of science are often found to be wrong, just saying. Peace & be kind.

Im not saying what im saying is fact. Just that, most plants do the same thing with nutrients, thats fact. So if you had chems in your lungs from unflushed "fruits/buds" than wouldnt we all have chems in our kidneys/livers from unflushed "fruits" such as apples or pears?

Im never going to say a medical facility is wrong about what is in your lungs, but there are many ways things like that can get into your lungs and smoke/eating something other than said chemical really wont do too much to ya unless saturated in those chemicals in a way that the plant wont use them. And if you put too many nutes in your water, they will precipitate out in the soil, which will cause you to need to "flush" them either out of the soil or into the plant by using plain water. But you cannot "flush" the nutrients of of a plants buds because they most likely have been converted to other compounds. Its like saying you have to flush out the UV light from your plant so you dont smoke it. The nutrients and light and co2 get broken apart by the various parts of the plants and converted or used in making sugars/starches that are usable to the plants for energy. That, is science.

Also, the fact that there is no one else on this whole site or any of the other marijuana forums, or the internet for that matter, claiming anything remotely close to this makes it seem even more like an environmental issue with where you live or maybe a job you used to work at back in the day, before they had all the uptight safety regulations they have now a days.

Just think, if you dont use distilled water to hit a bong, technically your vaporizing all the nasty chems in there that are added back into the water, and since your body doesnt convert them into usable products, like plants do, they can precipitate and collect in your lungs. So maybe youve been smokin over cleaned bong water for 50+ years.

For anyone of your age, no disrespect on age, there were alot of things different back then compared to now a days, and those could all be major factors.

Maybe you had pneumonia and the nutes collected into that liquid through another source decades ago.

Its an occam's razor. the belief the simpler to be right, than the one in a million thing, until that one in a million thing is proven with solid facts to cause it to be the more simple.

I never mean any disrespect when posting, unless it is given, and get a little emotionally involved in my post occasionally and stick to my guns. But i can assure you its based on solid knowledge and logic. My own testings. If i had the capabilities, id run some unflushed bud through a GC against some flushed bud. Testing for all available compounds.

We need Mre Duck to come here and drop some true scientific knowledge on us all.

Actually, you are closer to right than I gave you credit for. This is a case of combination of causes, but could still be relevant to those with pre-conditions. Ny nervous system and lungs were lightly 20% compromised by a brief encounter with chemicals in Vietnam. Mayo tested the goo and ferts were not the only thing there. Many different things that bonded to areas of the lungs that showed minor damage that Mayo tells me they believe to be Caused by Agent Orange. So you see the ferts were not the sole cause, but a contributer. You were basically correct based on the info you had. No hard feelings, it's nice to have people with a bit of intelligence on the site. Obviously you can think and spell. Peace and be kind.

wow, i think this is the first thread about flushing that has ended kindly and not in need of mods deleting/banning it. haha

I would say agent orange probably had a large deal to do with it. Who knows what that shit can do. Hope your condition improves and thank you for fighting for our country.

Maybe try vaping for a little or not baking places out so much? Even marijuana second hand smoke isnt good for anyone.

I do now vape almost exclusively, but every once in a while I gotta smoke a bowl, just for the difference in the high. For the first fourty years I Was tokin, there was no such thing as a decent vape except the old lidded metal pipes.
Thanks for the kind words, things are much better now than when I come home in 72. Getting off the plane in NY was disgusting, protesters screaming "baby killers", and having food, spit and yes, cups of shit mixed with urine on us. Most were stoners and some liberal asshats,but I did get the last laugh. Those poor fuckers didn't know I was carrying a very large supply of Nam, Laos , And Thailand's best genetics. I would have loved to have shown them what the 81 st AB was all about, but it was enough of a media circus, that a soldier would have been crucified for stomping heads.
Nice chatting with you. Peace & be kind.

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It sounds like the nutes in your lungs could be attributed to something other than cannabis smoking. I don't understand why a Dr. would immediately jump to the conclusion that cannabis was the source of the nutes in your lungs. Maybe just one of those "out of touch old school" doctors that despise cannabis because it was illegal and only "Hippies" smoked it, when he was brought up. I just can't help thinking that the Gov. and the press would have a field day with any hard evidence of this.

being a connoisseur or snob doesnt have anything to do with the flush. you can be a snob or connoisseur if you dont grow. i would consider a connoisseur as one that would like a nice environment and everything kind of the same each time they smoke, clean bong, need weed, clean fingers, hemp wick or glass wand for taste, maye they just take one nice hit and are good for a couple hours and do it again. a snob is someone who thinks they are a connoisseur who are definitily not. snobs seem to talk about how much they smoke and think they are cooler for that, they have a dirty ass bong and think its the best ever. got not so great weed and torch the fuck out of it with a lighter. ruining the taste of smoke and hit. snobs= fake connoisseurs

dank smoker420 said:

being a connoisseur or snob doesnt have anything to do with the flush. you can be a snob or connoisseur if you dont grow. i would consider a connoisseur as one that would like a nice environment and everything kind of the same each time they smoke, clean bong, need weed, clean fingers, hemp wick or glass wand for taste, maye they just take one nice hit and are good for a couple hours and do it again. a snob is someone who thinks they are a connoisseur who are definitily not. snobs seem to talk about how much they smoke and think they are cooler for that, they have a dirty ass bong and think its the best ever. got not so great weed and torch the fuck out of it with a lighter. ruining the taste of smoke and hit. snobs= fake connoisseurs

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Very well put My view is that the snob is someone who talks about something becaue of what it is sold as, not what it is. E.g someone who talks your ear off aobut the £80 bottle of wine he's poured you without being able to offer a single original observation on it's tastes and characteristics. a weed snob in my mind is someone who brags about what they are smoking, how much it cost, where it came from, but nothing about what it really is. Or the £500 bong they are smoking from somehow being a form of proof as to the validity of their opinion.

i understand using a little bit of bloom boosters in a big planter with plenty of N, early or mid flower, but come mid flower you most likely have used up the N in your soil, and have to use an N feed now. Since i use coco which is inert, i use dyna gro foliage pro throughout the grow, with everything nice and green all throughout the grow.
I like the fact that its good on its own and i don't need all the other crap, but i also use the pro-tekt, and a cal-mag(because i'm in coco). In soil, the foliage pro can be used on its own (but i like to use the silica additive)


how do yall feel about carbo loads?
I use humboldt honey and i like the product, and don't have to use much.