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Hey,

I'm thinking about use canna coco for my first hps grow.

I wanted to use 1.5 litre containers for the grow. I was planning on mixing perlite and vermiculite into the canna, probably 30% perlite, vermiculite and 70% coco.

Am I right in assuming that all I need is the Canna Coco Nutrients and that's it?

Also would could I water every other day or will I have to water everyday? I won't be able to water everyday.

If I wanted to use soil instead, and used the Canna Terra Mix, am I right in assuming all I would need is the Canna Terra nutrients for the entire grow?

Many thanks guys!
 
If you choose canna coco then you need at minimum
CANNA RHIZOTONIC
CANNA COCO A
CANNA COCO B
CANNA PK1314

The optional extras are
CANNAZYM
CANNA BOOST

With coco it would be wise to buy some digital meters. pH and EC.



1.5litre containers will only sustain the plant for around 10days before it needs more space.

11litre pots are a good size to have 3-4 weeks veg and then flowering.

Have a read around about coco growing.

Here is a link to my current coco grow.

https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/614911-my-grow-room-some-cheese.html

I use
400w hps
4 plants
11L pots
CANNA AQUA VEGA
CANNA MONO CALCIUM
CANNA MONO MAGNESIUM
POTASSIUM SILICATE
CANNA RHIZOTONIC
CANNA PK1314

I like the vega range better but until you know more about growing in coco stick to the coco A and B nutes.

These are mine just starting week4 of 12/12.

You water coco when its lost approximately 50% of its weight from its last watering.



J
 
rhizotonic is too dear, as is A + B, same results, if not better can be achieved by seaweed extract £4.50 from Wilko as your rhizo, and general 5-5-5 all purpose feed(£2.50 from Wilko), my plants are happier since i made the switch, and use the coco straight, no need for perlite.....plenty of aeration already.
 
Hey, I wanted to use 1.4 litre containers because I wanted to grow smaller plants. I was expecting 10 gram dried yield from each plant under 400 watt. Are you saying that if I kept the plants in 1.4 litre pots they would die?

Also is it really necessary for me to get a pH and EC pen? They're a bomb load of cash and it's making me consider going down the bio canna terra range instead.
 
If you use 1.4 litre containers, you could have to water 3x per day.

pH with coco is pretty crucial if you don't want lockouts or deficiencies.



EC is a way of testing strength.


Personally I think you should choose soil, add some lime and perlite into it and just feed water water.

You obviously haven't read a thing about growing in coco or about SOG.


Good luck.




J
 
Well your powers of deduction are rather lacking as I have read loads about SOG and coco.

Just because I'm asking questions doesn't necessarily mean I don't have an idea what the answer will be. I can fork out for a pH pen but for an EC and pH pen I'd rather just go to soil because it's too big of an invest at this stage. Obviously I knew an EC pen will make life easier for as I can measure the strength of the nuted water going in and out but I was wondering whether anybody gets by fine without one using coco.

Anyway I will probably go down the BioCanna route if you're sure that growing in 1.4l containers with coco means I need to water 2-3 times a day. Surely if the plants are smaller they will need less water as well?

Many thanks to you.

Peace
 
HelloAll said:
Well your powers of deduction are rather lacking as I have read loads about SOG and coco.

Just because I'm asking questions doesn't necessarily mean I don't have an idea what the answer will be. I can fork out for a pH pen but for an EC and pH pen I'd rather just go to soil because it's too big of an invest at this stage. Obviously I knew an EC pen will make life easier for as I can measure the strength of the nuted water going in and out but I was wondering whether anybody gets by fine without one using coco.

Anyway I will probably go down the BioCanna route if you're sure that growing in 1.4l containers with coco means I need to water 2-3 times a day. Surely if the plants are smaller they will need less water as well?

Many thanks to you.

Peace
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Most people SOG in 6.5 litre containers.

Regardless of the medium you choose soil or coco both will require multiple waterings per day once the plant hits around 4weeks old in 1.4litre pots.

You said you didn't want to water everyday then choose 6.5litre containers.

My plants use 11L pots and near the end of flowering I'm watering once a day.

IMO for coco both EC and pH are vital.

I don't like to guess anything. I test my EC IN vs my EC OUT to gauge how plants are feeding.


If you'd actually read about coco you'd see the need for EC and pH.



J
 
There are many people out there who say you don't need an EC pen when hand watering with coco. Which is why I was asking for your, or others, thoughts on that.

There are also hundreds of people who SOG in 500ml bottles and thousands in 1litre bottles, let alone 1.4litre bottles. Using smaller containers means you don't need to go through the vegetating stage, which shortens time from planting to harvest. Smaller containers are not a popular method of growing on these forums, but on ICMag growing in smaller containers is prevalent, indeed people recommend it.

As much as I appreciate your advice I must say your condescending remarks are at odds with your willingness to share your knowledge which is a shame.
 
I don't mean to be condescending.

Yes people do grow SOG in bottles. I do know this. But have you asked any of them how often they have to water them?

All I'm trying to do is show you that smaller containers require more frequent watering. Which I thought you were trying to avoid?


With canna nutrients they have a feeding schedule that will calculate everything for you. How many ml's per litre of everything. And it will give you a projected EC value for the strength. That way you could just get a pH pen and as long as you add what's on the schedule of the COCO A B RHIZOTONIC PK13/14 then your EC won't be far off and you can get your pH dead on.


Again really wasn't trying to be a twat. Sorry if it came off that way.



J
 
Hey. Thanks again for your time jondaman.

I'll probably stick to an organic grow for now with the 1.4l containers. I'll just use BioTerra Soil and BioFlores. Will just plant rooted clones into the soil with Rhizotonic and use BioFlores 2-3 weeks later.

Few grows like that then I'll move onto the coco

Only concern is that some people say that BioCanna range is lacking in nitrogen so not sure whether I should get Vega as well, or if there is something else I could add with the Flores to give a boost of N if they need it.

Shouldn't need to water everyday till last few weeks of flower this way?

Peace
 
You can get CANNA MONO NITROGEN. It's just nitrogen in a bottle.

I'm unsure about the bio range, I've found what works for me.

See how you go.

At least with soil you could leave water in the drip trays for them to wick the next day if needed.


J
 
all this chat about canna a + b and rhizo, go to local supermarket / garden centre (not hydro store), pick up some seaweed extract and balanced feed, mine is 5-5-5, and since using it, i have blown any results i ever got from canna out of the water, and my plants stand more proud as if there's something they get from it that they dont from canna, at first i was only gunna try 1 plant as a test, but the results i started seeing from a day or two after were enough to convince me that canna was just another 'cannabis specific' snake oil, and that the same results, and IMO better, are reached using standerd ferts over snake oils. happy spending :/
 
also. in canna a + b, only the iron is chelated, in my £2.50 wilkinson 5-5-5 fert, the iron, copper, manganese, and zink are chelated! so my cheap wilko 'shit' is cleary made to a higher standard than canna's overpriced, watered down shit, but hey, it says canna, and the hydro guy says it's the shit right? GL :)
 
Wow that's pretty shocking man. So you wouldn't advise using any expensive fertiliser, just Wilko 5-5-5 throughout the whole grow?
 
HelloAll said:
Wow that's pretty shocking man. So you wouldn't advise using any expensive fertiliser, just Wilko 5-5-5 throughout the whole grow?
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i aint joking, i have done this years, used canna for years, tried dutch pro in the past, even got house and garden BUD xl, but since i been using the wilko's all purpose feed (5-5-5) my plants pull there leaves an inch higher, and look alot healthier than they ever did using ANY other food i have used..the seaweed extract wilko sell (£4.50) is basically rhizotoic, but you get 800ml for under a fiver, whereas rhizo is 10 quid per 250ml.....

try it, that's all i can say, and once you tried it, you'll bin the canna, no shit!

http://www.wilkinsonplus.com/plant-...cDPfxIrYzUvEu76RzzM6wutKTeo9AOCB tDs76aYYKg==


http://www.wilkinsonplus.com/plant-...eaweed&VBMTC=fce8ce42a8ee2958f9645e4cd44393a2

depending on your water source, you may need to add cal/mag, but I manage just fine with them 2 Thinking of adding these tho>

http://www.wilkinsonplus.com/plant-food/wilko-super-phosphate-plant-food-15kg/invt/0300373/

http://www.wilkinsonplus.com/plant-food/wilko-sulphate-of-potash-plant-food-15kg/invt/0300376/
 
Hey tickle.

I fully agree with you that any nutrient that contains a decent amount of elements can be used.

The OP was asking about CANNA products. So I was answering about canna products.

The OP was then asking about EC and pH so I was answering about EC and pH IMO.

I agree with you about keeping leaves green and healthy until harvest. You only have to look at my post with the pic of my plants to see that I keep them green.

OP if you want to use canna then use it. If you don't want to then don't.

Personally I use a veg formula of canna because I KNOW IT and it works for me.

Don't forget tickle now knows his nutes if he's been using them long enough.

It's all about your experience with the nutes you choose and the plants you grow.

I like canna aqua vega NPK 6-3-8. But I do use other additives too like I stated in my post.



Tickle out of curiosity how long have you been using the wilkinsons blended nutes?

I saw on your threads last July that you were still pushing canna. So is this a decision you made in the last 9months or so?

I agree that keeping plants green and healthy gives you better performing plants.

I've had my best results since using a veg formula the whole way through.


J
 
been using them around 4 months, but dont let that fool ya, i harvest every 4 weeks in a perpetual setup, i dont deny that i used canna (still have loads of there stuff in cupboard) I'm just stating i have realised they are not what they are made out to be, and that better results can be reached using far cheaper alternatives, i challenge you to try if you got wilko's within reach, total input would be 7 quid, and i bet you dont look back either :) hell, if you dont like the results, I'LL BUY THEM BOTH OFF YOU :)
 
What soil do you use Tickle? Do you find the 'taste' of the bud is different with BioCanna or? I have a Wilkinson's right opposite my work lol.

I'd love to hear more about your perpetual harvest as well if you have time? Any info on wattage of lights, size of tents, size of containers? How many mothers do you have and how do you keep them? What is your cutting and cloning routine? And what is your average dried yield per plant?
 
Just run my first run of advanced nutrients in coco and I'm very impressed with the rests. For the first time I'm switching from Cana products. Why? Price and product production & quality. The bud candy, Big Bud & Overdrive really do wonders. I use Sensi A&B for the grow and Sensi A&B for the bloom along with some Cal-Mag.
 
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