Can someone list some benefits of vertical growing?

What are the benefits of vertical growing?
A list of pro's and con's if you can please.
It seems like you can do more with what you have as far as lighting, but it also seems like complicating things.

Yes it is far more elaborate of a set up but u will gain more space as far as plants go u will waste less light... Most ppl have 7-8' height alot of which is wasted
It also makes relocation much easier as u cover stand pick up an go..if needed

Not sure as to what else there is but i think there will be much more to it

I am a member of the 600vert club. I dont have a lot to go on as far as horizontal growing. I grew under a 8bulb t5 for a couple of years. Then I lost half the bulbs (ballast burnt) and went to a solis tech 600 digital. (awesome ballast btw)

For me, going vert was cheaper. I didnt have to buy a hood. Ballast, bulb, and socket. The room is 8x7x7. I bloom 8 plants in 3.5 gallon hempy buckets using Advanced Nutrients 3 part ph perfect line. 2.5 zips average per plants dry. ( I say average as i run 3 strains one is a heavyweight that gets big). Now i could increase my plant numbers and proly get better then 2g/watt, but i grow for personal and dont need it. I dont train, top, supercrop, lst. i do trim the plant after stretch to get rid of popcorn and anything growing on the backside of the plant.

I personally dont see a point in horizontal grows. Hoods are heat traps and you lose lumens with glass and reflectors. Barebulb has better penetration and imho is easier to cool.

m4s73r said:

I am a member of the 600vert club. I dont have a lot to go on as far as horizontal growing. I grew under a 8bulb t5 for a couple of years. Then I lost half the bulbs (ballast burnt) and went to a solis tech 600 digital. (awesome ballast btw)

For me, going vert was cheaper. I didnt have to buy a hood. Ballast, bulb, and socket. The room is 8x7x7. I bloom 8 plants in 3.5 gallon hempy buckets using Advanced Nutrients 3 part ph perfect line. 2.5 zips average per plants dry. ( I say average as i run 3 strains one is a heavyweight that gets big). Now i could increase my plant numbers and proly get better then 2g/watt, but i grow for personal and dont need it. I dont train, top, supercrop, lst. i do trim the plant after stretch to get rid of popcorn and anything growing on the backside of the plant.

I personally dont see a point in horizontal grows. Hoods are heat traps and you lose lumens with glass and reflectors. Barebulb has better penetration and imho is easier to cool.

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Not to thread jack but could you elaborate on your room ?
7x7x8 seems huge for a single 600 vert. Also how long do you veg those plants for ? I only ask because im building a vert room for a single 1000w in a couple weeks

Oh it is huge. Its 4 times the space i really need. But its a unfinished bathroom in my basement, 4 walls, a plug, and a drain concrete floor. The buckets sit on the floor with the plants around the bulb. Its hanging from the ceiling. Little turbo fan on the floor blowing at the bulb. Box fan in the room for air circulation and a 6 inch duct fan for extraction.

Its hard to say how long they veg. I start all clones in solo hempy cups. I veg 4 in the 3.5 gallon for 4 weeks under a 4 bulb t5 with 4 t5 side lighting. Normally clones are in the cups for a bit under some cfls. They get root bound. But i always have 4 clones of each of the 3 strains. And this is a perpetual grow. I harvest once a week. (which amounts to plucking the fan leaves and hanging her whole in the dry box for a weeks to 10 days)

Now these pics are from when i first transitioned from soil to hempy. I found the sunkist bottles to be to large to fill between transplants so moved to dixie cups.

Not downing ur system... Seems very nice... But would like to point out that the roots wont really like the pop bottle much...i did the same thing for a bit and had healthier roots after i put ducttape around to block the light... Just saying it may make them happier

its a algae thing. I had it for a bit. My biggest issue was space. They grew fine. But yeah if your going to grow in them in a SoG situation, id duct tape them up to stop the light. I was using them for clone starting. But space and laziness made me go to the dixie cups.

Ah well as long as ur aware of it.... Information is the battle we all face

On anoter note have u done a multi-layer vertical or just this type?

I havent. And not for any other reason then I just dont need to grow that much smoke. and more plant numbers. If i needed more, id just veg them for another 2 weeks and let them get bigger. I would need to add a screen around the bulb and trim enough to let light penetrate. With a screen i could proly increse my yeild by having a more even canopy. right now my plants look like half cristmas trees. i try and keep the light side of the plant even.

I dont sell or anything. this is just for me and the fam. With my perpetual cycle all smoke is at least 3 months cured before use. I have been thinking of upping my yield for a couple rounds to do some BHO, but again, im lazy...and cheap. lol

Kk jw... Have a friend looking into fill a 7x8x6 room for max output was gonna ask if its any harder

Yes it's harder, because you'll grow a lot bigger plants in the same space which will stress your HVAC. You'll have more bud to deal with, so more labor. Other than that- not a lot of differences. If anything, vert is easier in a lot of ways, including access for routine maintenance.

K but as far as quantity this is the way to go tho?

With out a doubt.

i pulled over 20 oz off my first vert under a 600.....def. a great yielding way to grow!

Really the biggest thing is to make sure you have your environment dialed in. When i first got my 600 light, i had no idea what it would be like. Remember i was blooming under a 4' 8bulb t5. I didnt even need an extraction fan.
My room with out extraction fan runs 85dF. with door open it drops to 78, with extraction its 73. Thats the upside to a bigger room. Imho, if your going to grow get the biggest tent that will fit your max area. If you have room for a 8x8, get a 8x8. It takes longer for air to heat up the more you have. a 8x8x6.5 is 416 ft3. a 4x4x6.5 is 104. the 600 will heat up the room 3 times as fast so will require 3x more air exchange. but the bigger room can run less power/exchange because of the greater volume of air.
Sure you can run a 1000 watt light in a 4x4 tent, but your going to also run a 800 cfm fan to keep that tent from being 120dF
I run my fan dog shit slow. cant even really hear it. But its mounted right above the light. with the fan under it, heat isnt really in the room long enough for it to ever get warm. i could increase my energy efficiency if i went to a thermometer timer and insulated all ducting and fan. But thats $$ and im cheap... and lazy.. and long winded holy shit.

Edit, it also should help with the longevity of your carbon filter. less air you Have to move through the filter the longer the carbon lasts. Maybe. Or you can just do what a indian friend of mine does and cool Curry all day. lol House smells like curry. 20 girl blooming in sealed room . lol

In my space 2'x3'x9' closet.... if I ran horizontal that gives me around 7 sq.ft of canopy space. Turn things vertically and I'm pushing 30-40 sq.ft of canopy space.

Also easier to aircool a big light when it's hung vertically in a small space. Less turns in the ducting.

Plus it looks cool.

Pro's of vertical

Increased light foot print / surface area

Increased efficasy of light

More efficient use of space

Increased yield

tighter environment control (cool tubes)

easier to feed

Fukin sex on a stalk when ya sit and stare during late flower

The whole plant is the same distance away from the light, which means the bud at the bottom is as good as the top. Overhead growing is a waste unless you're outside.

Just remember to keep your plants away from the lights (18-24") because you want the top and bottom to recieve light and close up you get a lot of leaf shade...and personally, I like to grow on a slight angle, so more of a V shape as I find properly vertical means leaf shade unless the plant is directly opposite to the bulb stops the buds developing as well. I also like to use the bottom of the V to grow into...which is a PITA for access but I gain an additional 25% by using this space so its worth the sticky arms and face full of leaf when it comes to training and pruning!



-dopeweed

It would be easier to list the down sides of vertical growing.

1. You need to wear good sunglasses or googles or you will close your eyes and see light bulbs...worse case. Intense headaches and eyes that feel like someone pounded sand into them

2. Burnt skin. The bulbs are fucking HOT. If your running a big room and bump into one your going to get burnt enough that it forms a scab. Long sleeve shirts are a big plus in vert.

3. The biggest downside is explaining to the horizontal crowd about the benefits and having to listen about all their misconceptions about reflecting the light, etc, etc.

I just sold 14 blockbusters and converted my last horizontal room to vert.

Love love love vertical bare bulb growing.

That is so right on. Agree on all 3 points.