Can not clone to save my life.

I posted this elsewhere but I don't think it was the proper location for this . Someone amoung all the experience available on this site must be able to say with certainty just what key element or process im missing as I have tried everything. Im losing my mind. Ive been attempting to clone for months. Not one or two. I've lost count. I broke down 3 konths back and got a Turboklone t24. Still nothing. Tried with straight tap water. Tried with r.o. r.o with cal mag and silica. Water with nutes water with out nutes. With cloning gel of three different types individually and together. Ive tries a wide array of sized cuts. I added a heating mat. I removed the mat and added cooling pads to lower the temp to try and increase oxygen. Ive tried a few different lights at different heights. Currently attempting another round with remos cloning gel r.o water with a touch of cal mag. Put rhe heating pad back. Now into the 3rd week day 23 and nothing. A little bit of the pre bumps but been here before. Im quite literally losing my god damn mind. If this run doesn't work i will have one more shot at preserving these two. Help me please. Tell me there's a friggin rain dance or prayer that will set this right. Or something of actual value i can apply for results. Please. As a last ditch effort I am attempting to air layer a branch from each. I dont wantvto have to attempt to air layer to get clones i have a perfectly new machine that should be knocking out 24 mofos every few weeks and thats what i need. Consistent production

What is the humidity in the cloning environment?
I made a cheap aerocloner and everything I put in it roots. Outside of the smaller sized experimental clones that die off from drying out from not enough stem beneath the puck, and damping off.

I use a 2.5 gal bucket,1/2" pvc manifold,12-15 spray/mister heads, and a eco185 pump and TAP water. 200-220ppm of apparently just enough minerals to feed the clones for about 10 days after fully rooting.My humidity in my veg tent sits around 65-70. my clone bucket sits in a corner up front. No dome.

I've found, IN MY environment, (humidity and air flow, my temps are always decent I run LEDs)having my environment pretty dialed in my veg tent, which is also my cloning tent, expedites my cloning process. Clones are rooted and ready for solo cups in as soon as 5 days from cut,up until 11 days. Strain dependent.

Realbax said:

I posted this elsewhere but I don't think it was the proper location for this . Someone amoung all the experience available on this site must be able to say with certainty just what key element or process im missing as I have tried everything. Im losing my mind. Ive been attempting to clone for months. Not one or two. I've lost count. I broke down 3 konths back and got a Turboklone t24. Still nothing. Tried with straight tap water. Tried with r.o. r.o with cal mag and silica. Water with nutes water with out nutes. With cloning gel of three different types individually and together. Ive tries a wide array of sized cuts. I added a heating mat. I removed the mat and added cooling pads to lower the temp to try and increase oxygen. Ive tried a few different lights at different heights. Currently attempting another round with remos cloning gel r.o water with a touch of cal mag. Put rhe heating pad back. Now into the 3rd week day 23 and nothing. A little bit of the pre bumps but been here before. Im quite literally losing my god damn mind. If this run doesn't work i will have one more shot at preserving these two. Help me please. Tell me there's a friggin rain dance or prayer that will set this right. Or something of actual value i can apply for results. Please. As a last ditch effort I am attempting to air layer a branch from each. I dont wantvto have to attempt to air layer to get clones i have a perfectly new machine that should be knocking out 24 mofos every few weeks and thats what i need. Consistent production

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Roots grow in the dark, use a 6-8 hour dark period for best results, good look

Here’s how I do it .... but there are many ways others do it.
It works for me .....

Root gel
Razor blade
Cup of water
Rooter plug
Perlite
Solo or dark small container

Note : difference in this way is that containers are micro Hempy style ( Rez at bottom )

Prep container - punch small hole about 2” from base
Fill 3/4 with perlite
Run cup under tap to RINSE perlite ( runoff )
Moisten rooter plug in coffee cup with water and a small amount of gel .
( the plug will be moistened and PREPPED with this “ solution “ )
Let it soak for a few until needed
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Put some root gel into small lid or container for dipping ...
Take clones from host plant - cut just below a node
Place in glass of water to keep air out stem
Trim off leaves at node
Scrape outer stem coating slightly to expose tissue
Using razor blade split stem base slightly
Dip in gel ... coating cut area and stem

Squeeze plug slightly , shake excess solution
Place stem in plug
Place clone in perlite ..... cover remaining space with perlite
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Cut tips from remaining big leaves
MIST CLONE WITH WATER
Cover cutting with zip bag .... small / medium or large
Pinch slightly to close it a little ( to trap humidity )

After some time inside of zip will fog and condense
Save gel water solution to pour on plugs next day.
It takes me about 6-10 days to get roots

After it roots out , you can either PLANT WHOLE CUP into soil or Hempy perlite
Or carefully remove rooted plug by itself.

I leave in Hempy container sometimes AS-IS ... letting it hit lower Rez and grow bigger before pulling. Even to the point of early veg feed just to get the roots building.

And I put under a soft FLOURO ( cfl ) on 18/6

That Turbokklone is a Cadillac version of a Clone King. I like it but not the price. It should work just fine with tap water and no rooting gels. Everybody has their routine, I'll share mine.

Cut clones at 45 degree angle with new razor blade
Put clones in red Solo cup of tap water
Let clones sit in cup 24-48 hours
Fill Clone King with tap water (well water)
Put clones in Clone King
Plug it in 24/7
Put under flourescent light 18/6,
My humidity never goes below 45% so no humidity dome required here
Check back in 10 days and transplant to grow rocks and ebb and flow table.

Since you already have the Turboklone you might as well use it.

I did the same prep pretty much except I used peat pellets to root them in. Put them in a seed starter with the plastic vented cover with the vents closed at first. Misted them twice a day until they showed roots, then put them straight into potting soil. I haven't fed them yet, the soil has a lot of good nutes in it already. Beginners luck I guess, they all rooted. They were under T8 fluorescent bulbs that were not very close because we have our orchids under them also.

Thanks for the replies. So I went out this afternoon and bought fresh sterile scalpels and restocked on peroxide. I tried to find clonex but apparently its not sold here which i dont understand. Seems it gets very high praise and was hoping i could use that so at least I can remove one variable. Current environment is between 64 and 72 with 50%rh, res around 70f their running under a double t12 sylvania grow-lux wide spectrum fixture 40w (each) for 18/6. I did suspect that perhaps light had been getting in so ive lined black garbage bags around the seam where the lid and body meet. I'll include some pics of the veg tent perhaps I could move them there for stability? I think the light intensity will be too much but I was thinking put the unit on a shelf that sits higher than the lighting fixture on the left hand side of the photo? Would this even help ? Veg tent is 75f and 55%rh.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/easy-diy-20-bubble-cloner-a-picture-how-to.835810/

My tap water is 115ppm. I don't ph, it's around 7.8-8.0. Usually less than 2 weeks I'll have roots, I'll change water & rinse everything each week.
After you cut your clone, place the cut stem into some fresh tap water while cutting the rest of the clones. I'll cut each stem at a 45* before place in cloner. Be sure your stems are close to same length coming through the bottom. Fill the cloner only enough for the bubbles to burst and splash the stems, don't submerge the ends! Mine is sitting under the vegging light, under a vegging scogged plant, no humidity dome or anything! Leaves have picked up since I found her, broken branch from scrog. Three days in & she's looking strong!

The city water here is the hardest I've ever heard of. 925 at the tap. Absolutely ridiculous. R.o is a must. My house goes through a softener. The kitchen and master bath have r.o and the r.o supplies the fridge which is filtered again. And the ph swings like the neighbors wife

Realbax said:

I posted this elsewhere but I don't think it was the proper location for this . Someone amoung all the experience available on this site must be able to say with certainty just what key element or process im missing as I have tried everything. Im losing my mind. Ive been attempting to clone for months. Not one or two. I've lost count. I broke down 3 konths back and got a Turboklone t24. Still nothing. Tried with straight tap water. Tried with r.o. r.o with cal mag and silica. Water with nutes water with out nutes. With cloning gel of three different types individually and together. Ive tries a wide array of sized cuts. I added a heating mat. I removed the mat and added cooling pads to lower the temp to try and increase oxygen. Ive tried a few different lights at different heights. Currently attempting another round with remos cloning gel r.o water with a touch of cal mag. Put rhe heating pad back. Now into the 3rd week day 23 and nothing. A little bit of the pre bumps but been here before. Im quite literally losing my god damn mind. If this run doesn't work i will have one more shot at preserving these two. Help me please. Tell me there's a friggin rain dance or prayer that will set this right. Or something of actual value i can apply for results. Please. As a last ditch effort I am attempting to air layer a branch from each. I dont wantvto have to attempt to air layer to get clones i have a perfectly new machine that should be knocking out 24 mofos every few weeks and thats what i need. Consistent production

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Just a thought.

Your significant other is actually against herb, and is secretly helping you???














By adding bleach to everything....

Lol

BTW- you aren't alone. I can get the things to root in just a Solo cup, with the water changed once a day. After that, those suckers are TOAST! Lol. Meh, I keep reading, and trying different things. Something will work out. Good luck!!!

Sometimes the simplest way is the best way.
Tiny pot, chuck some promix in there, slap a cutting in it. Keep your humidity in a range that it won't dry it out too fast. 55 - 60 seems to work well. Won't even need to mess with a dome or any of that mess.
You said you'll get root nubs. Seriously try planting them with nubs. Might coax those nubs to do what they're supposed to. Stick a few in some clear solo cup DIY pots after nubs form so you can see if you get any rooting action. Then transplant them when they do.
Another thing with the "nubs" I've notice when having cuttings in small shot glasses that when the water level dries out below those nubs they'll tend to shoot roots down into it. Tall skinny shotglasses work well. And those plastic test tube looking things you can get shots of girl booze in. On a side note you can find them as Halloween decorations at party city etc.
Air layering works well though if they're being a huge PITA about rooting.

I have been using clonex and just a regular dome with rockwool cubes. It can take 1 to 2 weeks to root well. I find it best to trim the large fan leaves tips that way it concentrates on growing root. Not leaf. Always got roots. 98%. The key for me is just keeping the plant alive until it's starts rooting. I mist with ro water and it just works. Maybe you have a really stubborn strain? I have never had issues. Just some root faster than others.

RO water and soft water won't work well for clones. If those were my only choices i would buy real spring water and not 0ppm water.

Dougnsalem said:

Just a thought.

Your significant other is actually against herb, and is secretly helping you???














By adding bleach to everything....

Lol

BTW- you aren't alone. I can get the things to root in just a Solo cup, with the water changed once a day. After that, those suckers are TOAST! Lol. Meh, I keep reading, and trying different things. Something will work out. Good luck!!!

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You cloned successfully then you killed it!
Lots of different ways of cloning. You'll find one that works for you! Good luck!

Coco

Dude you should be killing it with that cloner! I am guessing bad water( get 5 gallon jug spring water grocery store), lights may be too close, lights 18", too high or low temperature (aim for 78F) of water. 24 hour a day lighting works just fine. You do not need a humidity dome with aero cloner. I use aquarium heater in reservoir to maintain 78F. No nutrients needed. I use clonex but lots of folks use plain water. The more I think about it, got to be your water!

cleanliness is incredibly important. i change my water (just tap) every other day, and spray my containers down with bleach water, then rinse them off after a minute or two. i change out the neoprene discs every time, and soak the old ones in a little bleach water and rinse them before they get used again.
when i'm changing the water, i put the airstone in a cup of weak bleach water, and let it run in there till i get the container back together.
if i don't do all of this like clockwork, i get fat gnarly stems that never grow roots.

Realbax said:

I posted this elsewhere but I don't think it was the proper location for this . Someone amoung all the experience available on this site must be able to say with certainty just what key element or process im missing as I have tried everything. Im losing my mind. Ive been attempting to clone for months. Not one or two. I've lost count. I broke down 3 konths back and got a Turboklone t24. Still nothing. Tried with straight tap water. Tried with r.o. r.o with cal mag and silica. Water with nutes water with out nutes. With cloning gel of three different types individually and together. Ive tries a wide array of sized cuts. I added a heating mat. I removed the mat and added cooling pads to lower the temp to try and increase oxygen. Ive tried a few different lights at different heights. Currently attempting another round with remos cloning gel r.o water with a touch of cal mag. Put rhe heating pad back. Now into the 3rd week day 23 and nothing. A little bit of the pre bumps but been here before. Im quite literally losing my god damn mind. If this run doesn't work i will have one more shot at preserving these two. Help me please. Tell me there's a friggin rain dance or prayer that will set this right. Or something of actual value i can apply for results. Please. As a last ditch effort I am attempting to air layer a branch from each. I dont wantvto have to attempt to air layer to get clones i have a perfectly new . machine that should be knocking out 24 mofos every few weeks and thats what i need. Consistent production

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I had a baffling "dry spell" where I could not clone a damn thing, despite using techniques that worked 90 percent of the time previously. I finally got back on track by reading a "how-to" and focusing on steps I had possibly omitted like *immediately* putting the cut end under water to keep it from sucking up an air bubble. Then when I treat the stem with root powder or gel, I make another cut in case an air bubble got into the end of the stem.
Two other things: 1. I was using a mix of perlite and vermiculite for rooting. I switched to 100 percent vermiculite and that seemed to help. Can only speculate maybe the cuttings needed more water, less air. 2. I bought a bag of Root Riot starter plugs and had 100 percent success on the first dozen cuttings I tried.

Right now, I'm using the Root Riot to try to clone Cheese, Paris OG and Chem 4. I put the cuttings into a glass of water containing SuperThrive straight off the plant. Then I treat the cuttings with root powder and put them straight into the Root Riot plugs. Then I mist them several times a day, sometimes with water that includes SuperThrive. And I keep them inside in a bright window because nights have gotten chilly. I might set up a light for them if I think they need it.

Budzbuddha said:

Cover cutting with zip bag .... small / medium or large. Pinch slightly to close it a little ( to trap humidity ). After some time inside of zip will fog and condense.

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Ziploc baggies??? Lmao. That's funny, but you know what- you just saved me a bunch of time and energy. I was about to incorporate a huge 55 gallon fish tank, somehow.... Great tip! Thanks much!

upnsmoke13 said:

You cloned successfully then you killed it!
Lots of different ways of cloning. You'll find one that works for you! Good luck!

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(Not to derail the thread....), but yeah. I figured out that 4 18w T8's, 2 23W twisty cfl's, a 23w led spot light, and a 100w incandescent, a foot away was a little too much. Instant dust. Lol.

Good tips here. I'm using just water and a solo cup, that I learned from a 10 year old thread.
https://www.rollitup.org/t/cloning-in-a-cup-of-water.140167/

I wish the OP was still around so I could thank them. You'll get it figured out Realbax. Make sure to let us know what ends up working. Cheers!

Soft light will let the leaves retain moisture while rootless!
I hope the OP, here, has heard cleanliness is important also. Try not to contaminate the fresh cut you just made. Use clean blades & keep things around the area cleaned up. Less chance of rot setting in if the stem is healthy. I had a cutting root a month and a half after I cut from mother! Somethings just become a challenge!