Can i put a teen clone directly into super soil?

Or should i mix it up with a regular based soil like roots organic? The reason asking is because I want to surpass the vegetative state and get a teen clone and put it straight to flower. So I know that it's usually the bottom half that's super soil and the top half is regular base soil, but since I'm going to put a teen clone that's already surpassed the vegetative stage will it be strong enough to handle a straight super soil mix or will it burn it? I've gotten a piece of advice from a member here on roll it up, also from a forum from one person that it's better to mix everything together instead of layering it but I just want to confirm.

I feel like layering is a myth. Roots are stretching all over the pot in days of transplant. I plant my baby clones directly into recycled soil. I guess it was super soil at one time. I'm not sure. But should be fine. Maybe depending on how much amendments your using. And how long you've aged your soil

green_machine_two9er said:

I feel like layering is a myth. Roots are stretching all over the pot in days of transplant. I plant my baby clones directly into recycled soil. I guess it was super soil at one time. I'm not sure. But should be fine. Maybe depending on how much amendments your using. And how long you've aged your soil

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The ss has been cooking for 2 months. Its the subcool recipe. So your saying it'll be fine to put it directly into the ss? Or mix the ss with the base then put the teen in?

You can put it into straight SS, but I always mix my new with the recycled. I think it increases the microbe herd more quickly and my plants look great.

cindysid said:

You can put it into straight SS, but I always mix my new with the recycled. I think it increases the microbe herd more quickly and my plants look great.

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Thanks cindysid, your info is highly appreciated.

Smokey_mc_pot said:

The ss has been cooking for 2 months. Its the subcool recipe. So your saying it'll be fine to put it directly into the ss? Or mix the ss with the base then put the teen in?

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I would guess you'll be fine. Clones are typically ready to go. I would be wary of new seedling. That being said I'm not 100% fluent on the Subcool mix. If you have lots of bone or blood meals maybe you would have to worry. But even then 2 months cook time should have mellowed everything out

green_machine_two9er said:

I would guess you'll be fine. Clones are typically ready to go. I would be wary of new seedling. That being said I'm not 100% fluent on the Subcool mix. If you have lots of bone or blood meals maybe you would have to worry. But even then 2 months cook time should have mellowed everything out

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Thanks a bunch!

Smokey_mc_pot said:

Or should i mix it up with a regular based soil like roots organic? The reason asking is because I want to surpass the vegetative state and get a teen clone and put it straight to flower. So I know that it's usually the bottom half that's super soil and the top half is regular base soil, but since I'm going to put a teen clone that's already surpassed the vegetative stage will it be strong enough to handle a straight super soil mix or will it burn it? I've gotten a piece of advice from a member here on roll it up, also from a forum from one person that it's better to mix everything together instead of layering it but I just want to confirm.

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Only thing I do for the babies is screen the soil so its a bit finer and try stay away from feeding but other than that they get the soil from the hop.. they actually love aged full strength compost soil with tonnes of fungus from what I can see, especially if highly humid in the beginning

Clones are as old as their parents, so I wouldn't be worried especially after a 2 month mellow. If its not very warm or hot to touch nor steaming then thats a good sign. You can always plant a corn kernel, they should pop up in about 72 hours.

14/10 lighting schedule will induce some stretch too if you haven't snipped that cutting yet.

To keep the clone alive I like to use a little container with saran wrap covering it, I just poke holes with a toothpick, and its perfect humidity.. leave lid on til you see growth.. and you can plant direct in soil with high success

I'm not seeing the size of the teen anywhere in the thread, so I'm gonna guess it's about a foot tall or so?

If it isn't hot to the touch and has been sitting for 2 months like you said, then it should be alright.. but I'm the kind of guy that likes to err on the side of caution. I love that organic guys use the word "cooking" because growing organic is an awful lot like cooking a meal because in both scenarios you can always add more to the recipe at any time, but you can't remove anything once it's finished. You have to start all over again if you add too much salt to your dish, same thing applies with the supersoil. Too much and the damage is done, too little and you just add more!

If it were me, I would mix the super soil with equal parts peat or coco. If you're growing in a 10 gallon pot, mix 5 gallons of SS with 5 gallons of peat or coco. If you can't come across peat or coco for some reason then a bag of Happy Frog will work just fine as a base because it's full of amazing stuff and isn't hot like Ocean Forest. This way, you can just keep your SS moist and alive and when your plants start showing you that they need more food you simply top dress your pot with more super soil. I need to top dress in my set up about once a month, but I'm not using SS so your mileage may vary.

HTH

green_machine_two9er said:

I feel like layering is a myth. Roots are stretching all over the pot in days of transplant. I plant my baby clones directly into recycled soil. I guess it was super soil at one time. I'm not sure. But should be fine. Maybe depending on how much amendments your using. And how long you've aged your soil

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Layering is beyond a myth. It's just fucking dumb. Lol, sorry if that sounds harsh. But it really is one the dumbest myths perpetuated in the cannabis community. Next to the concept of "bloom boosters".

15% peat moss, pine bark, or coco coir
35% aeration (I prefer Perlite or rice hulls but course Sand, and pumice are other options
50% composted organic matter (this could be compost, composted cow or horse manure, worm castings, leaf mold). I prefer a combination of as many different kinds of compost I can but whatever is available to you and the best quality is what you should lean on.

Neem Seed Meal or Neem Cake 1/2 cup per cubic foot
Crab shell meal or shrimp shell meal 1/2 cup per cubic foot
Fish Bone Meal 1/2 cup per cubic foot
Gypsum 1/2 cup per cubic foot
Langbeinite 1/4 cup per cubic foot
Kelp meal 1/2 cup per cubic foot
Alfalfa meal 1/4 cup per cubic foot
Oyster shell flour 1/4 cup per cubic foot

No need to cook!!! Plant directly into it. Will last your plants from start to finish unless they are super super heavy nitrogen feeders or if you're growing in smaller containers than you should. The solution in that scenario though would just to do fresh top dressings of alfalfa or compost/castings. Or nutrient teas made of the same things.