Camh urges feds to legalize

torontoke

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I just watched a news spot on city tv in toronto.
Apparently camh (center of Addiction mental health) is urging the canadian government to legalize cannabis and regulate it like alcohol.
Its about time some drs and scientists jumped onboard this train.
I wonder if its just pc fear now that the liberals are going to win and do it anyway.
 

torontoke

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I dont know if i would go that far!!! Most of them are
So i shall take a wait n see approach.
 

VIANARCHRIS

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Just saw a clip of Peter Mackay sluffing it off. Says the government has no plans to legalize. The reporter goes on to say 2 out of 3 Canadians support legalization and how the Harptler gov. is out of touch.
 

torontoke

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I think as more and more of this type of exposure comes out plus the tax revenues being out about washington and colorado it really is a matter of time.
Peter mackay is a giant douche nozzle he will be the first one on the bandwagon saying hes wanted to do it for yrs.

I think come february we might see a day come that i didnt think id see in my lifetime.

I think the day i can walk into a store and say i would like a large pack of white widow and a small pack of sour diesel i will shit myself.
But id be shitting myself with one fuck of a smile on my face lmfao.
 

gb123

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just hope something good happens.

for a change!

I wonder how our Feds are going to defend against this? :lol:
Court is going to be funny.
A ton of arguments just got SHUT DOWN! :lol:
 
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torontoke

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The government can say and try to do what ever they want but any half decent lawyer just got had the ultimate get your client out of jail card.

Even the police chief seemed to be on the legalization side. So this really cant go anywhere but up.

And hopefully soon all the closet stoners get to come out.
 

leaffan

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http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/10/09/peter-mackay-marijuana_n_5961768.html


OTTAWA - The Harper government's resolve to enforce the law against marijuana use is unshaken by a call to legalize pot from the country's largest mental health and addiction treatment centre.

Justice Minister Peter MacKay said Thursday the Conservative government has no intention of heeding the call of the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health.

Indeed, the government remains committed to going in the opposition direction, said MacKay: finding ways to actually increase enforcement of marijuana laws, including potentially making it a ticketing offence to possess small quantities of dope.


But Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau, who has been championing legalization for more than a year, said CAMH's endorsement of the idea shows he's on the right track while the Tories are ideologically bound to a war on drugs that has proven a total failure.

NDP health critic Libby Davies, whose party supports decriminalization of marijuana, said the Conservatives are becoming increasingly isolated on the issue as more and more public health groups refuse to back their tough-on-pot message.

In a policy statement released Thursday, CAMH said cannabis should be legalized and strictly regulated, sold through a government-controlled monopoly with limited availability and an age limit. The centre concluded that the current legal prohibition on pot has failed to prevent use or reduce the harm it can cause.

That pretty much echoes the arguments that have been made by Trudeau, who has been pilloried by Conservatives for allegedly wanting to make pot more easily available to children.

"Yes, it's nice to see a world-class organization like CAMH come out and agree with (us) and demonstrate that we're on the right track," Trudeau said in an interview.

By contrast, he said CAMH's position shows the Harper government is "trapped in policies based on ideology rather than policies based on evidence and that is harmful to Canadians and to Canada."

MacKay, however, was unmoved.

"It surprises me, quite frankly, because there are just as many respected organizations and credible reports that say the opposite," MacKay said on his way into a committee meeting.

He argued that other public health groups have warned about the negative impact of marijuana on the developing brains of children and the fact that it can "trigger episodes of psychosis and schizophrenia and other serious mental conditions."

"And so I think there is a need to really be very circumspect about any move towards making marijuana more readily available. So that certainly is our government's position. We do not intend to legalize or decriminalize."

MacKay added that the government continues to consider "methods in which we can increase enforcement," including the ticketing option favoured by chiefs of police.

"This would not decrease but increase enforcement and optionality for police to ensure that people are respecting the law," he stressed.

Trudeau argues that legalizing and strictly regulating marijuana would do more to restrict availability and reduce consumption, particularly among young people, than the failed war on drugs.

He said Thursday that he has deliberately not spelled out precisely how a regulatory regime would work because he wants the input of experts and groups like CAMH.

On that score, Trudeau said he's "very interested" in CAMH's advice that advertising, marketing and sponsorship by marijuana producers should be prohibited and that health information should be clearly displayed.

Davies said CAMH brings "a lot of credibility" to the debate on marijuana because it so well respected.

While the NDP has not gone as far as the Liberals in calling for outright legalization, Davies said New Democrats see decriminalization as a first step, to be followed by a serious public debate on what more needs to be done.

The "biggest impediment" to that debate, she said, is the ruling Conservatives, "who've buried themselves in this rhetoric of the war on drugs, when I think most Canadians know it's absurd and it's unrealistic."

The rigidity of the Tories' position "does leave them more and more isolated on the question," Davies said.
 

The Hippy

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I hope the train hits him as he perpetuates worst crimes on MJ lovers than MJ itself ever did. He's a fuckin goon and I see NOTHING worth while in him at all.
Because of his crimes against us I feel nothing but glee if tragedy befalls hims. Harse eh?
 

freddyc

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I hope the train hits him as he perpetuates worst crimes on MJ lovers than MJ itself ever did. He's a fuckin goon and I see NOTHING worth while in him at all.
Because of his crimes against us I feel nothing but glee if tragedy befalls hims. Harse eh?
Like cockroaches, the light gets bright enough and they'll scatter........but you'll have a hell of a time keepin 'em in check....lol
 

greasycanadian

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I might be a little drunk but at what point did Canada become a dictatorship. If 2 out of 3 people support legalization, why are we letting a small group of old men in suits tell us how to live our lives. Furthermore, legalize all drugs not just marijuana. The root of power for all criminal organizations stems from the exceptionally large profit margin they make selling drugs. I could drink a gallon of antifreeze right now and walk away without a ticket, and yet I was arrested on my 21st birthday for a half gram of blow. I'll have to border jump it if I ever want to see the Brooklyn bridge, shit. Who are you to tell me what I can put into my own body? I wish they did behead that arrogant bastard.
 
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leaffan

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I might be a little drunk but at what point did Canada become a dictatorship. If 2 out of 3 people support legalization, why are we letting a small group of old men in suits tell us how to live our lives. Furthermore, legalize all drugs not just marijuana. The root of power for all criminal organizations stems from the exceptionally large profit margin they make selling drugs. I could drink a gallon of antifreeze right now and walk away without a ticket, and yet I was arrested on my 21st birthday for a half gram of blow. I'll have to border jump it if I ever want to see the Brooklyn bridge, shit. Who are you to tell me what I can put into my own body? I wish they did behead that arrogant bastard.
Feb 6 , 2006.
 

leaffan

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From Dana Larson...

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/dana-larsen/marijuana-study_b_5956854.html


Major new study shows marijuana is extremely safe, and definitely far safer than alcohol. Media somehow gets it all backwards.


You might have seen the recent headlines:"Cannabis as addictive as heroin, major new study finds," "Study finally demolishes claims that smoking pot is harmless," and"20 years of marijuana research shows ill effects of chronic use."f

I'm here to tell you: don't believe the hype. These media reports are shoddy, sensationalistic and plain wrong. I've read the original paper, and what it actually shows is that marijuana is remarkably safe!

How can this be, you might ask? Good question! Let me show you the top four ways the lamestream media got the study results entirely backwards, making it seem as if cannabis is much more dangerous than the study results show, when put in proper context.

CANNABIS AND DRIVING

Every media report highlighted the study's claim that marijuana use doubles the risk of an automobile accident. OK, we'll give them half a point, because that is what the study reported.

But not one reporter put that figure in context. You know what else doubles your risk of an accident? Having two or more passengers on board. A young person with three passengers has a four times greater chance of an accident, same thing if they'redriving at night. Other things that increase your risk of accident in this range includebeing pregnant, and driving 65km/hr in a 60km/hr zone.

In comparison, a legal blood alcohol content of just 0.04% increases a young driver's chance of an automobile accident by about 20 TIMES, and that's low enough to pass a breathalyzer test! So the drunk can be 10 times as impaired as the pot smoker, and still be street legal. By this standard, cannabis seems much less worrisome.

At the cut-off point of 0.05 BAC, a young person suffers a 30 times increase in accident risk. Meanwhile, texting while driving increases your chance of an accident by about 23 times. By neglecting to mention these figures, the media gave a false impression that the risk of using cannabis is on par with these other, much more risky behaviours.

Of course everyone should avoid any impediment to perfect driving, and that includes driving high or talking too much to the person next to you. But in terms of public policy, what this study really shows is that enforcement and education efforts should stop worrying about pot, and focus on the behaviours that are causing most of the accidents and injuries: drunk and distracted drivers.

CANNABIS AND INTELLECT

Every media report went into detail about the study's effects of cannabis on the intellect, but again they focused on the wrong thing and got the story backwards.

Media outlets claimed "regular cannabis use causes a person's IQ to drop over time"when the study found that marijuana use had no permanent effect on the IQ of people who started using cannabis as adults.

The only group where there seemed to be some form of permanent IQ drop was "the small proportion of cannabis users who initiated in adolescence and persisted in daily use throughout their 20s and into their 30s."

So basically, only the kids who started smoking several joints a day starting around age 12 and continuing into their 30s had any cognitive issues. Everyone else was fine.

The study says "No effects were found in those who initiated later, or in daily users who ceased use earlier in adulthood."

So the headlines should actually have read "Study finds marijuana use has no long-term effect on the IQs of people who started using cannabis as adults" -- but where would be the fun in that?

CANNABIS AND PSYCHOSIS

The headlines blared that this study shows how marijuana causes schizophrenia and psychosis. But here's what the study actually has to say after analyzing 20 years of research on the issue:

"It is difficult to decide whether cannabis use has had any effects on psychosis incidence, because even if the relationship were causal, cannabis use would produce a very modest increase in incidence."

The study also notes that there has been no public increase in rates of psychosis, while cannabis rates have increased dramatically. This indicates that cannabis does not cause schizophrenia, but that it might trigger problems in those few people who already have latent mental health issues.

Once again, a comparison to alcohol's effects on the mind puts the very minimal risks of cannabis in perspective. There is significant loss of brain tissue in chronic alcoholics. Alcohol consumption is behind about 10% to 24% of all dementia cases, and about 25% of alcoholics develop panic and anxiety disorders. Even just alcohol withdrawal can cause psychosis and hallucinations.

What are some other things that put you at a definite risk of psychosis, unlike the difficult-to-find-because-it-isn't-there connection with cannabis? Well, serious psychosis risks include being born by caesarean, or with a forceps delivery, or just being born in the winter, or being raised in the city, being an immigrant or getting divorced. When the risks are put in perspective, we see that cannabis isn't so scary after all.

CANNABIS AND ADDICTION

British newspaper the Telegraph ran their story on this study with the incredibly misleading headline "Cannabis as addictive as heroin."

Of course the study makes no such claim! They simply state that cannabis can be "addicting" for some users, just like anything can be addicting, including alcohol and heroin. They define addicting as "experiencing difficulty stopping" without any reference to specific symptoms of the degree of difficulty. In fact, the study makes it clear that these substances have very different effects, and the study's author has evenissued a statement that the media misinterpreted his results.

Heroin withdrawal symptoms include diarrhea, vomiting and fever, none of which occur with cannabis. For cannabis withdrawal, the study explains "the most common withdrawal symptoms include anxiety, insomnia, appetite disturbance and depression."

Since cannabis is used medically to treat anxiety and sleep disorders, as well as to stimulate appetite and improve the mood, there's no wonder that stopping use will also stop these beneficial effects. However, for non-medical users, these mild withdrawal symptoms usually last for a few days at most.

Let's compare these mild symptoms to alcohol withdrawal. A heavy pot smoker who goes cold turkey might have trouble sleeping or working up an appetite, but alcohol withdrawal can cause tremors, hallucinations, seizures, brain damage and death! Woah, suddenly cannabis is looking pretty good!

Withdrawal symptoms from a legal drug like Prozac can last for up to two months, and can include flu-like reactions, headaches, diarrhea, chills, fatigue, and dizziness, plus stranger symptoms like "hyperarousal" and "strange sensations of vision or touch." This is the kind of stuff doctors prescribe because they think cannabis is too risky!

So there you have it folks. Once again we se how lazy reporting and a bias towards sensationalism stokes the flames of cannabis fear without any basis in fact.

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rnr

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even if, witch I hope we legalize, it wont happen or be seen in stores for 3-5 yrs, just the process.
 

torontoke

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I never thought it would happen in my lifetime so 3-5 yrs aint so bad really.

But in the meantime i think courts start throwing mj cases out left right and center.
 
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