CA SMOKERS. PASS PROP 19! LEGALIZE WEED NOVEMBER 2nd!

Fuck it, I say we all start large grows and just yell "Fuck the Man!!""

This is going to be a long hard fight, as long as we don't pursue the truths. Lies and myths do nothing to help our cause. We all love to grow. A simple seeded herb put on this planet by God. Genesis 1:29, God states all seeded herb was placed on earth for the benefit of man and animal. When I read or see hype or myths like Reefer Madness, or hear about new felonies, I get a bit shaken up and ready to argue.

Whatever way the vote goes, Marijuana rights will advance. The sponsor of the current 19 has already stated if 19 fails, he'll go back to drawing board and try again in 2012. So those of you voting no because of concerns of wording or ambiguities with 215, please contact the gentleman and make your concerns heard. Maybe 2012 will be a better bill, and it will be a presidential election, so the turnout will be higher.

We all want the same thing, we just disagree on how to get there.

Serapis said:

Fuck it, I say we all start large grows and just yell "Fuck the Man!!""

This is going to be a long hard fight, as long as we don't pursue the truths. Lies and myths do nothing to help our cause. We all love to grow. A simple seeded herb put on this planet by God. Genesis 1:29, God states all seeded herb was placed on earth for the benefit of man and animal. When I read or see hype or myths like Reefer Madness, or hear about new felonies, I get a bit shaken up and ready to argue.

Whatever way the vote goes, Marijuana rights will advance. The sponsor of the current 19 has already stated if 19 fails, he'll go back to drawing board and try again in 2012. So those of you voting no because of concerns of wording or ambiguities with 215, please contact the gentleman and make your concerns heard. Maybe 2012 will be a better bill, and it will be a presidential election, so the turnout will be higher.

We all want the same thing, we just disagree on how to get there.

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i would contact that "gentleman", except i have already personally dealt with him. he fucked me over.

Serapis said:

We all want the same thing, we just disagree on how to get there.

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Agreed

wyteberrywidow said:

Yeah if only it was.But if voted no when do you think the next chance for something like this to come up?All the states that look at it as illegal and arrest people for smoking meds when do you think they will have a chance to live legal?I think it should be legal then work on the flaws in it.

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They'll get to live legal and have access to meds when they get off their collective group asses in each state and fight for their rights. California didn't just become what it is today, we had to fight a lot to get here. So will you. If you aren't willing to put or actively putting in the effort, then you can't really expect results. Don't like being treated like vermin, then you have to stop hiding in the woodwork.

wyteberrywidow said:

Yeah if only it was.But if voted no when do you think the next chance for something like this to come up?All the states that look at it as illegal and arrest people for smoking meds when do you think they will have a chance to live legal?I think it should be legal then work on the flaws in it.

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That's ridiculous. I come from new jersey before I moved out here to California, so I know how bad it can be with oppressive marijuana laws. With that said, its unfortunate, but degrading our current situation into a more restrictive one just to help out the rest of the country (which is a huge gamble in and of itself) is just going to be detrimental to ourselves.

As a mmj patient I can't understand how anyone from california is down to pay a 50 dollar tax per oz instead of just going to w doctor and paying 50-125 for an entiire a year of growing allowed in a much larger area, with far fewer restrictions.

Combine this with the decriminalization law we just passed and it kind of makes this bill pointless. Stwrting in january, NO ONE can be arrested for having less than an ounce of pot, its a 100 dollar fine with NO court appearance now, so the only difference is that prop 19 will introduce commercial operations and tax us per oz instead of having it tax free and in the consumers control with a slight risk of maybe a small fine if you somehow manage to get caught (which you shouldn't be, and if you get caught with more than an oz with prop 19 its still a crime anyway). There is no logic behind passing this if you're a Californian, just go get a card, there's no ideological position you can hold that makes supporting prop 19 compatible with being resistant to paying your fellow citizen a small annual fee to use marijuana (as opposed to a cumulative fee of 50 bucks every time I want to smoke an oz).

TokinPodPilot said:

They'll get to live legal and have access to meds when they get off their collective group asses in each state and fight for their rights. California didn't just become what it is today, we had to fight a lot to get here. So will you. If you aren't willing to put or actively putting in the effort, then you can't really expect results. Don't like being treated like vermin, then you have to stop hiding in the woodwork.

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So you think our states didnt try anything to get mmj?

wyteberrywidow said:

So you think our states didnt try anything to get mmj?

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and then just gave up to wait on california, or what?

keep fighting, never mind what we are doing.

wyteberrywidow said:

So you think our states didnt try anything to get mmj?

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If you don't have it, then you obviously haven't done enough. If you tried and failed, then you need to try harder. No one said it was easy. Again, if you aren't willing to put in the effort, then you can't expect results.

"Just go get a card"

That sums it up so beautifully.....

Serapis said:

"Just go get a card"

That sums it up so beautifully.....

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it really is that easy.

most people are simply "scared". i'll admit i was.

TokinPodPilot said:

They'll get to live legal and have access to meds when they get off their collective group asses in each state and fight for their rights. California didn't just become what it is today, we had to fight a lot to get here. So will you. If you aren't willing to put or actively putting in the effort, then you can't really expect results. Don't like being treated like vermin, then you have to stop hiding in the woodwork.

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it comes down to simple numbers, so many pro MJ people moved to California over the years
if you don't have the voting numbers, you just won't have progress state wise
but progress is happening, NY has a very good chance of being MMJ this year
hell, NY is actually pretty good for the small, discrete home grower
i could live with NY law as it is, but i want progress for the whole country
prop 19 is progress for every one(even California)

growone said:

it comes down to simple numbers, so many pro MJ people moved to California over the years
if you don't have the voting numbers, you just won't have progress state wise
but progress is happening, NY has a very good chance of being MMJ this year
hell, NY is actually pretty good for the small, discrete home grower
i could live with NY law as it is, but i want progress for the whole country
prop 19 is progress for every one(even California)

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Well i cant wait to see what the outcome for this year.

wyteberrywidow said:

Yeah if only it was.But if voted no when do you think the next chance for something like this to come up?All the states that look at it as illegal and arrest people for smoking meds when do you think they will have a chance to live legal?I think it should be legal then work on the flaws in it.

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Well the problem is that you have these pro-19 people having stymied medical, and even paying people in press to bad-mouth our MMJ system. What state will want to follow that model? That the people that should be proponents (and once were and CURRENTLY ARE) of MEDICAL usage are now calling it "inconvenient" and "dangerous"? I mean, they are doing damage to the medical system while trying to promote "legalization"...it doesnt work for anyone but those pushing for the "legalization"

growone said:

it comes down to simple numbers, so many pro MJ people moved to California over the years
if you don't have the voting numbers, you just won't have progress state wise
but progress is happening, NY has a very good chance of being MMJ this year
hell, NY is actually pretty good for the small, discrete home grower
i could live with NY law as it is, but i want progress for the whole country
prop 19 is progress for every one(even California)

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You keep repeating that same tired line of "progress for everyone" and it's still just a load of baseless supposition. There's been more than enough opportunity for states to adopt medical cannabis statutes and/or local decriminalization statutes over the last 25 years or more, and significantly less than a majority of them have done so. If you're depending on another state's legislation to sway local policy or opinion, then you're definitely not putting in enough effort. Don't have the votes? Sounds like a failure on the part of your public education and relations campaign, try harder next time. If you think Prop. 19 is such progress, then maybe YOU should try and get it passed in YOUR state.

suddenly mmj users are to be hated by their own community.

as if my pain isn't bad enough. go ahead and push over the guy in the wheelchair. he'll never run you down.

TokinPodPilot said:

You keep repeating that same tired line of "progress for everyone" and it's still just a load of baseless supposition. There's been more than enough opportunity for states to adopt medical cannabis statutes and/or local decriminalization statutes over the last 25 years or more, and significantly less than a majority of them have done so. If you're depending on another state's legislation to sway local policy or opinion, then you're definitely not putting in enough effort. Don't have the votes? Sounds like a failure on the part of your public education and relations campaign, try harder next time. If you think Prop. 19 is such progress, then maybe YOU should try and get it passed in YOUR state.

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voter propositions don't happen in NY, and a number of other states don't have them
some states are a no go on MMJ, say like Texas, Georgia, and other god fearing states, voter props or not
how prop 19 will affect the national scene is uncertain, it's the nature of the beast, no state legislation will come with a federal guarantee
but are there good reasonable prospects that this will affect federal policy?
there are many, the court process will be very much in play
and the federal government really does not want to be the primary enforcer of MJ law, they've conned the states into that role for years
they may squeal how they bust ass, but they don't have the resources, and it's getting tougher for them all the time

growone said:

voter propositions don't happen in NY, and a number of other states don't have them
some states are a no go on MMJ, say like Texas, Georgia, and other god fearing states, voter props or not
how prop 19 will affect the national scene is uncertain, it's the nature of the beast, no state legislation will come with a federal guarantee
but are there good reasonable prospects that this will affect federal policy?
there are many, the court process will be very much in play
and the federal government really does not want to be the primary enforcer of MJ law, they've conned the states into that role for years
they may squeal how they bust ass, but they don't have the resources, and it's getting tougher for them all the time

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It's too hard, so give up, eh? Again, no efforts, no rewards. The effects that this will have on the Feds is already known. They plan to enforce the CSA and despite your exceptionally baseless argument that the DEA is lacking in resources to effect raids as they deem necessary, there has NOT been a significant reduction in their budgets or resources. There have been more than enough raids of late to try and argue that they don't have the will or the means to act as primary enforcement where cannabis is concerned whenever and where ever they can prove primary jurisdiction.

TokinPodPilot said:

It's too hard, so give up, eh? Again, no efforts, no rewards. The effects that this will have on the Feds is already known. They plan to enforce the CSA and despite your exceptionally baseless argument that the DEA is lacking in resources to effect raids as they deem necessary, there has NOT been a significant reduction in their budgets or resources. There have been more than enough raids of late to try and argue that they don't have the will or the means to act as primary enforcement where cannabis is concerned whenever and where ever they can prove primary jurisdiction.

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who said anything about giving up?
it's just a recognition that some states will be very difficult to progress in
NY is probably going to be a 'good' state very soon, prospects are very good for MMJ this year
this is about applying maximum pressure for federal change
DEA may get funding, but their job grows all the time, and there are other priorities for them
the less pressure, the less incentive for change, a combination of MMJ in NY and Prop 19 in California is something of a perfect MJ storm from the federal view
and not everyone in the congress is enthused with the endless MJ war, from where DEA resources come from

growone said:

who said anything about giving up?
it's just a recognition that some states will be very difficult to progress in
NY is probably going to be a 'good' state very soon, prospects are very good for MMJ this year
this is about applying maximum pressure for federal change
DEA may get funding, but their job grows all the time, and there are other priorities for them
the less pressure, the less incentive for change, a combination of MMJ in NY and Prop 19 in California is something of a perfect MJ storm from the federal view
and not everyone in the congress is enthused with the endless MJ war, from where DEA resources come from

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You keep repeating the same tired old talking points, but they remain as fallacious as ever. Prop. 19 is a state statute and the Feds have stated that they have every intent of persecuting any non-medical use. The DEA's job may be growing larger, but so does their budget. As does the budgets for prisons and other enforcement programs. Despite your baseless belief that they have higher priorities, recent arrest and prison statistical data clearly shows that they have plenty of time and focus for non-violent drug offenders. Prop. 19 doesn't place any pressure on the Federal government, but it's a nice little challenge they'll be happy to answer with raids and arrests. Your last sentence regarding congressional support is just pure drivel. A few isolated voices amongst hundreds of opposing ones. In a majority-rules system, they don't really account for much, especially since it's not up to Congress as a whole to allocate money for agencies like the DEA. Those who are responsible for allocating those funds are more than happy to keep doing so.

TokinPodPilot said:

You keep repeating the same tired old talking points, but they remain as fallacious as ever. Prop. 19 is a state statute and the Feds have stated that they have every intent of persecuting any non-medical use. The DEA's job may be growing larger, but so does their budget. As does the budgets for prisons and other enforcement programs. Despite your baseless belief that they have higher priorities, recent arrest and prison statistical data clearly shows that they have plenty of time and focus for non-violent drug offenders. Prop. 19 doesn't place any pressure on the Federal government, but it's a nice little challenge they'll be happy to answer with raids and arrests. Your last sentence regarding congressional support is just pure drivel. A few isolated voices amongst hundreds of opposing ones. In a majority-rules system, they don't really account for much, especially since it's not up to Congress as a whole to allocate money for agencies like the DEA. Those who are responsible for allocating those funds are more than happy to keep doing so.

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the time is ticking down, about 24 hours(or so) the voting will start
it may pass(or not pass), the arguments have been made
either way, i'm looking forward to NY MMJ prospects, if 19 passes too, so much the better
progress will continue, we'll see how this chapter turned out in a few days