Breeding strains
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Manny Ramirez
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screw that.....I'm lazy.....let the pro's do it...
then get it here Gypsy Nirvana's Seed Boutique
then get it here Gypsy Nirvana's Seed Boutique
durbanpoison91
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uhhh... where?
I've smelled BC Mango plants and they have more of a sweet sent to it (veg) MillionDollar strain doesn't have a strong smell to it when flowering but it produces alot of THC crystals on the leafs, I think NL has a THC level of 30, gonna find out about Juicy Fruit when the seeds grow into a plant
I think the BC Mango has a bit of skunk in the gens because the leafs are fat
I think the BC Mango has a bit of skunk in the gens because the leafs are fat
marijuanajoe1982
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- THC level of thirty? I call BS. There's has never been anything actually measured above the low 20%'s. And you would think the people who could grow the most potent plant of any variety would be the same people who created it, not some obvious liar claiming his weed is as potent as some hash. For marketing reasons they are really the only people with the time and money to use a mass spectrometer to actually figure this stuff out reliably and accurately. there hasn't been any study, much less a reliable one, showing any THC more than 23% or 23%. And even that gives people the wrong idea.
- The percentage is NOT the total percentage of THC in dried/cured bud by weight. It is the total percentage of THC when compared to all other cannibinoids present. Since THC is really the only thing that gets you high it's important that it be a high percentage of the total cannabinoids. but so long as it's high asd has a good mix of other cannibinoids that you like, then its all good.
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that's why I said '' I think '' but I looked at the site that does tests and it says
THC LEVEL - [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]25% VERY HIGH
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I don't buy seeds from there but I look at it to see if the strain I'm ordering is gonna have a good THC Level
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THC LEVEL - [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]25% VERY HIGH
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I don't buy seeds from there but I look at it to see if the strain I'm ordering is gonna have a good THC Level
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I sayed '' I think '' I whent to a site , can't post the link cuz this site won't let me , and I took a look at the site and it says that NL has a THC LEVEL of [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]25% (VERY HIGH) and as for the MillionDollar I never sayed that it was the strongest plant
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marijuanajoe1982
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- Woah relax buddy, I wasn't trying to say that you personally were lieing, nor do I have any animosity towards you or want to start an argument. I called BS on anything that says it has levels that high. Any seed company that says they have 25% THC is not telling the truth. and 30 is fuckin' rediculous. Please believe me, there has never been any reliable test or any evidence that any pot plant produces that much. the very highest readings ever recorded are in the 22%-23% range. If a company tells you thier plant produces more, it is simply a marketing gimmick, and for me a red flag because I know not to trust that company. I was trying to let you know that anything that said it had that much THC probably is at least a liar, if not a scammer, or worse.
- I checked that link. It MIGHT be a legitimate seed company, but thier claims are definitely just pulled out of thin air. I personally wouldn't order anything from them because if they are already telling lies, how do you know you will even get what you order, or they don't just steal your money. Avoid risks like these by using a good online supplier that offers many varieties from different purveyors still in thier origional packaging instead of some entreprenuer/part-time crook who grows in a basement and TRIES to keep up with orders, if they can get filled at all. People like this want the plant to sound so good that you will think it's something special and buy it when it's probably just mediocre, average, or pretty good at best.
- Using a mass spectrometer to measure weed takes up time from other research, so it costs money for that as well as the operation costs, it's really only worth it for people who are competing in the cannabis cup or something like that. Small time seed companies would have a hard time getting a chance to test all thier illegal products in legitimate state funded university lab or any private lab that would be high-tech and important enough to have such a machine. It only happens in Holland, and even there it costs money and it's still a marketing gimmick. Even legetimate companies post the highest possible percentage, and it is unlikely you will get exactly that much when you grow it yourself. Maybe you will get about the same amount, but you might get less depending on nutes, skill, and harvest time. Who would know how to grow it better than the people who developed it? Just cause Barneys can grow Violator Kush up to 22% doesnt mean everyone will be able to
- I mean... I was just trying to warn you. I dont know how it got taken personally but its cool, don't worry about it. I've got no bad blood... and trust me, thats a good thing, lol.
- Just trying to help you out, no offence was meant to be taken. I guess I sound a little sarcastic sometimes or something, but its no big deal. Go easy, Bro!
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ghengiskhan
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Uhh you don't just take A and B and make AB... these commercial strains have been breed for generations, stabilized, re pollinated with the original strains and lots of careful work. It's a very long and selective process and you can just take some two strains that may have been the original genetics of a strain now and cross them again and expect the same thing as now.
marijuanajoe1982
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- I was looking through the "untitled document" link that led to BC seeds from one of your posts, BCMango. The "haze superior" shows a picture that is actually of a completely different plant. Thats a picture of White Label's Purple Haze, and the picture that BC Seeds claims is "Hawaiian Snow" is a picture of a different plant from the same company, Arjans Haze, probably #2 or #3 (they all look very similar so its hard to tell which haze it is just by looking). Green House Seeds has patented Hawaiian Snow, and measured it (reliably) as being 23.7%, which, to my knowledge, is the highest reliable test percentage ever. Yet somehow BC Seeds claims their version has 27%? The only reason they are getting away with this is because the Netherlands laws protecting the rights of White Label and Green House Seeds doesnt apply to them in these matters, being as they are from Canada and the legal status of this material differs from one country to the other. These guys are majorly leading you on dude, I just want to make sure you don't get burned by them or someone like them. No harm meant, dude. 
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marijuanajoe1982
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Fat leaves just mean Indica heritage, not necessarily Skunk. Skunk is primarily an Indica, so it has fat leaves. It's is also the basis for alot of good newer hybrids. However not all plants with fat leaves automatically have skunk in thier genetics.
oh ok, so even though it was starting to smell at the 2nd node it doesn't meen it has skunk gens in it? and that link was roughly how high the THC is. I got told by a person that NL is kinda like a hash plant when its ready to harvestFat leaves just mean Indica heritage, not necessarily Skunk. Skunk is primarily an Indica, so it has fat leaves. It's is also the basis for alot of good newer hybrids. However not all plants with fat leaves automatically have skunk in thier genetics.
marijuanajoe1982
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No, most well bred plants will stink. my plants were reeking up thier little seedling chamber when they were still just a couple inches tall. Thick, Fat little fuckers, most of them. and they have no skunk genetics. G13 Haze, Blackberry (which I believe is blueberry crossed with another dark indica) and Fuckin' Incredible, which is supposedly 2 famous indicas crossed. only the seed company won't tell which ones, i guess one could have been skunk... but most of the smell was coming from the G13 Hazes... Some of them had an odor right from the start. the first serrated leaves stunk just a lil bit. Now that they are a foot tall the whole attic reeks. Smells like Cannabis, not necessarily skunk. Honestly I dont think skunk is that special. It was a breakthrough in the eighties, there's alot more exciting stuff going on right now! I'm thinking of changing my whole outdoor to autos. It all depends on how they turn out!
I'm still warning you about that link. Its not really possible to get anything over the 23's yet. I'll believe it when I hear it from a reliable source. until then anyone claiming anything higher than that, or that all thier plants are 22%, or is 'roughly' 25%, is a total liar. Why buy from a company that lies when there are some companies out there that don't?
Your friend is probably accurate in describing the NL. NL is basically a few really good indicas hybridized together and stabilized. Just about all Hash Plants are pretty much 100% Indica also, so I imagine some nice Hindu Kush or something is in NL. I'm sure it would be relatively easy to find out what went into NL... It would be much harder to reproduce it.
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marijuanajoe1982
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I'm still a little unsure about the meaning/purpose of this post, no offence intended, BCmango. Do you mean like, say for instance, Barney's G13 Haze, the bud that won the cannabis cup this year, is G13 (afgani indica) crossed with Hawaiian Haze (tropical sativa). or from Magus Genetics, Exile is a really cool looking hybrid, which is a Warlock crossed with a hybrid of NL and WW, so its 50% Warlock, 25% White Widow, and 25% Northern Lights.
Is that what you mean? I'm sorry but I'm honestly a little confused
yes that's what I meenI'm still a little unsure about the meaning/purpose of this post, no offence intended, BCmango. Do you mean like, say for instance, Barney's G13 Haze, the bud that won the cannabis cup this year, is G13 (afgani indica) crossed with Hawaiian Haze (tropical sativa). or from Magus Genetics, Exile is a really cool looking hybrid, which is a Warlock crossed with a hybrid of NL and WW, so its 50% Warlock, 25% White Widow, and 25% Northern Lights.
Is that what you mean? I'm sorry but I'm honestly a little confused
marijuanajoe1982
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Ok. The fundamental problem, as I think someone said earlier, is that it really isn't just as simple as taking A, adding B, and getting AB. It really has alot to to with inbreeding certain traits, or even certain phenos, for several generations. Also, Back-crossing may need to be performed, either to a parent or P generation or a first generation or F1 hybrid, if any trait somehow gets lost, as sometimes happens, particularly if breeding for more than one trait.
So if you bought Northern Lights, and White Widow, then crossed them, and bred your hybrid to a Warlock, you would not end up with the same plant that Magus Genetics created, called Exile and made up of those combination of genetics which I mentioned in a previous post. It would be a different version, and since years of stabilizing the NL x WW hadn't been done, it would have completely different breeding characteristics as the one they used. Also, years of stabilization has probably had to have been done since the cross, so These strains have years and years of selective breeding put into them. I just wanted to make sure you understood, this is why people are having trouble understanding your question. I'm not trying to be a jerk. Just want you to know how to really breed your own good strain.
Don't try and copy anyone, just grow a few plants of several different diverse genetics, then pick the very best female, and breed her to your favorite plant that happened to go male. When you grow out the first generation, you might notice certain plants that you like more than others, and share similar traits. These are a particular phenotype, and there may be several depending on the parents. Just like how brothers and sisters are different, but with the same genetics. Anyway, by inbreeding these ones together, you might be able to homogonize a certain mix of 2 different plants, and that would be your own creation! Thats what I intend to do! This is not meant to be harsh criticism, but meant to give you a little inspiration. You can do it!
So if you bought Northern Lights, and White Widow, then crossed them, and bred your hybrid to a Warlock, you would not end up with the same plant that Magus Genetics created, called Exile and made up of those combination of genetics which I mentioned in a previous post. It would be a different version, and since years of stabilizing the NL x WW hadn't been done, it would have completely different breeding characteristics as the one they used. Also, years of stabilization has probably had to have been done since the cross, so These strains have years and years of selective breeding put into them. I just wanted to make sure you understood, this is why people are having trouble understanding your question. I'm not trying to be a jerk. Just want you to know how to really breed your own good strain.
Don't try and copy anyone, just grow a few plants of several different diverse genetics, then pick the very best female, and breed her to your favorite plant that happened to go male. When you grow out the first generation, you might notice certain plants that you like more than others, and share similar traits. These are a particular phenotype, and there may be several depending on the parents. Just like how brothers and sisters are different, but with the same genetics. Anyway, by inbreeding these ones together, you might be able to homogonize a certain mix of 2 different plants, and that would be your own creation! Thats what I intend to do! This is not meant to be harsh criticism, but meant to give you a little inspiration. You can do it!
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bizarre kush
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marijuanajoe1982
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Keep in mind, they could be pulling that number out of thier ass, Not everything you read is the truth, It is most likely a marketing scheme. Think about it. How could you prove they were lying? Mass spectrometers are pretty expensive to rent, I imagine, and even if you did get it tested, you would most likely find it to not be that high. But if you mentioned that to the company that produced the seeds, they could just say "well, you must not have done it right." If that strain had that much potency to it, how come It's never been entered into a cannabis cup? I not trying to be a dick, I'm just telling you what I have learned. And from personal experience also, If that really were 27.3% THC, I think you would see more crystals on it than any other bud you had ever seen.
I THC know measurements are relative, but even then the only LEGITIMATE claim to the highest recorded THC level goes to Greenhouse, with their Hawaiian Snow, measured at 23.7% by a legitimate testing company. I have ordered from Kindseeds before, but I don't know much about THC Laboratories. Just because most of their other claims seem reasonable, it doesn't mean they aren't just making them up and are smart enough not to list ALL their varieties as that high. Slap a few random percentages, all believable, onto your regular strains, then make a rediculous claim about one strain and people might think it's not so rediculous after all, since all their other claims see, so reasonable. When you hear someone saying their weed is 22% or higher, they are most likely lying. Only a handful of strains have ever reached that mark, and pretty much all of them have won the Cannabis Cup at one point or another. I'm just saying, be careful when people who are trying to sell you things start making too-good-to-be-true claims about their product.
I THC know measurements are relative, but even then the only LEGITIMATE claim to the highest recorded THC level goes to Greenhouse, with their Hawaiian Snow, measured at 23.7% by a legitimate testing company. I have ordered from Kindseeds before, but I don't know much about THC Laboratories. Just because most of their other claims seem reasonable, it doesn't mean they aren't just making them up and are smart enough not to list ALL their varieties as that high. Slap a few random percentages, all believable, onto your regular strains, then make a rediculous claim about one strain and people might think it's not so rediculous after all, since all their other claims see, so reasonable. When you hear someone saying their weed is 22% or higher, they are most likely lying. Only a handful of strains have ever reached that mark, and pretty much all of them have won the Cannabis Cup at one point or another. I'm just saying, be careful when people who are trying to sell you things start making too-good-to-be-true claims about their product.
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