Breeding seeds with seedbank genes

I have some questions for any breeders out there who know a thing or two please ...

It used to be that seedbanks would sell nothing but F1 hybrids so as to protect their hard work. I notice however that in many descriptions, the banks mention the geno's as stable and/or inbred.

Is it the case nowadays that banks aren't being so protective and are actually selling stable lines and cube'd or inbred seeds you could instantly make great F1's from ?

Or am I confused here ?

That's my main question but aside from that, any breeders out there have any success breeding stable lines out of the popular F1's ? Does it take many generations to come up with something real good ?

Cheers

pullin up a chair

For F1's to be anything near uniform, the parents both need to be damn true breeding, and it takes alot of time of time to truly stabilze a hybrid to true breeding form.. So anything that is a hybrid of the vast majority of hybrid strains would need to be stabilized somewhat if the breeder wants to do predictably better than kids with bag-seeds..
There are a few true-breeding strains out there.. Seedsman's Skunk#1 (75% sativa, [Afgani x Acapulco Gold x Columbian x Thai]) is damn true breeding, as are a few other Skunk#1's I've heard.. NL is another hybrid that some have stabilized for a few decades now, and then there are your landrace genetics.. That all hybrids trace back to.. They're still out there for sale..
BTW, like most I've never had a breeding program.. But I have made seeds, and know breeding theory pretty well..

This is interesting..............

A very good question, and something I'm sure a lot of people would like to know more about.

Also pullin up a chair........

scaredspliffless said:

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Think ill join you

There are a couple "true breeding" genetics available like B2KS had previously mentioned. Each particular region in the world has a native stabilized genetic in addition to any landrace varieties that may also be present. For Instance, Hindu Kush, a true F1 from Northern India natively, is a nice example. Also, Northern Lights, Skunk #1, White Widow, Neville's Haze and many of Mandalas seeds are true F1's or F1 hybrids.

There are many breeders these days that are producing seeds that are open for genetic modification and take to breeding quite well. Some of the more popular stable or semi-stable pure and hybrid genetics include Blueberry, members of the "White" family, California Indica, AK47, Arjans Haze 1-3, amongst others. The breeders today like the validation of other growers taking their strains and putting a spin on them, if genetic labeling remains responsible. If breeders continue to name their strains with the strain lineage, breeders will continue to keep their gene pools accessible for recreational breeders. This way they get the recognition, we get the new genes; everyone gets to eat their cake .

To stabilize a strain doesn't take that long, about 4-6 grow cycles. The real time consuming aspect of breeding is selecting the BEST traits from your crosses and finding a viable mother to cube with (with qualities that will cross well and accentuate other properties). To find the said mother, the right pollen, etc. is what takes the most time. The best way to go is to clone each of your potential mothers, I take 2-3 clippings (LABEL THEM), and watch the mothers grow out. Use the clone to get a vegetative replica of the particular mother and watch the mother for traits. One clone can be used as a dedicated mother (for cubing, or stabilizing), the other for crossing. Just remember that patience is a virtue, I hope others can chip in on my spiel. Happy growing all

KC