Brand New Research Chemicals

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KoSmIcTRaveLer

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Are Brand New Research Chemicals going to be created, soon? If so, does anybody know how long until they do? It seems that every single year people will be able to discover many many new substances each and every year, but that may be far fetched. I just assume people have already figured out how to and how to do it extremely easily. I also assume that in less than five years or so there will be a plethora amount (25 or so) of new entheogenic substances for purchase. I can not even imagine what they will be like nor what they will be analogue to. But I absolutely hope they get here quick. They are such positive things.:D Not saying there are not plenty enough as it is right now, but I would certainly feel better if there regularly appears new entheogens that are fairly potent in nature.
 
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HeatlessBBQ

HeatlessBBQ

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Mate, what other new substances need to be further researched into?

What substances are You exactly trying to discuss here on the boards?
 
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KoSmIcTRaveLer

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New psychedelics. Because out of no where the nBOME series showed up. Just new psychedelics. I figured thousands of new analogues to psychedelics were very possible and are due to be discovered.
 
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conor c

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KoSmIcTRaveLer said:
New psychedelics. Because out of no where the nBOME series showed up. Just new psychedelics. I figured thousands of new analogues to psychedelics were very possible and are due to be discovered.
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There loads even many lsd analogs google it you will see
 
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KoSmIcTRaveLer

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Can not entheogenic molecules be changed slightly changing the effect? I thought that there were an infinite amount of potential entheogens possible. Sorry hehe
 
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KoSmIcTRaveLer

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Anyways, mushrooms are decriminalized in colorado. That is a giant step really. I would imagine they would still be hard to obtain. They need to legalize them there. That would be sweet. America is not free as they claim. If they were free entheogens would be legal and cheap nation wide. I'd bet 25 years tops some entheogens will be legal or at least decriminalized. Most people don't even know about them because they are legal I assume. Like, if they were legal more people would know of them.
 
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guitarguy10

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There aren't an 'infinite amount of entheogens'.

If you want a primer on the chemistry and history of phenethylamine analogs read PIHKAL by Dr. Alexander Shulgin (or TIHKAL for tryptamine analogs). He is basically the grandfather of all this as he rediscovered MDMA and discovered other drugs such as 2C-B, DOM and others.

You should be cautious with the use of new and completely unstudied drugs, not excited about them. The NBOMe's are known to cause several severe (and sometimes acutely deadly) and lasting repercussions. Evidence that 'grey market' thienodiazepine and benzodiazepine analogs seriously affect your long term memory has been starting to crop up (and I can attest to this because my ignorant use of research chemicals has destroyed my memory among other things).

Just be careful, these aren't recreational compounds, they are completely unstudied and you roll the dice with their use. I wish I hadn't done as many RCs as I have, fucked me up permanently for the rest of my life.
 
Logan Burke

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guitarguy10 said:
There aren't an 'infinite amount of entheogens'.

If you want a primer on the chemistry and history of phenethylamine analogs read PIHKAL by Dr. Alexander Shulgin (or TIHKAL for tryptamine analogs). He is basically the grandfather of all this as he rediscovered MDMA and discovered other drugs such as 2C-B, DOM and others.

You should be cautious with the use of new and completely unstudied drugs, not excited about them. The NBOMe's are known to cause several severe (and sometimes acutely deadly) and lasting repercussions. Evidence that 'grey market' thienodiazepine and benzodiazepine analogs seriously affect your long term memory has been starting to crop up (and I can attest to this because my ignorant use of research chemicals has destroyed my memory among other things).

Just be careful, these aren't recreational compounds, they are completely unstudied and you roll the dice with their use. I wish I hadn't done as many RCs as I have, fucked me up permanently for the rest of my life.
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Story of my life haha....even not having touched anything of the sorts for over 5 years now, my short term recall memory is shit on a good day...I was interested in your mention of grey market benzo's though. I've spent a large portion of my life on (legal and perscribed) benzos, and I feel that they're in part responsible for having such horrible memory. These days about all I take is cannabis and Modafinil, although the Modafinil is controversial at best in regards to long term affects.
 
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guitarguy10

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Logan Burke said:
Story of my life haha....even not having touched anything of the sorts for over 5 years now, my short term recall memory is shit on a good day...I was interested in your mention of grey market benzo's though. I've spent a large portion of my life on (legal and perscribed) benzos, and I feel that they're in part responsible for having such horrible memory. These days about all I take is cannabis and Modafinil, although the Modafinil is controversial at best in regards to long term affects.
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Many of the consequences of using legal and prescibed benzos (except the extremely powerful hypnotics like flunitrazepam (rohypnol)) show up over many years of use, so if only you used prescribed benzos for many years the effects aren't nearly as damaging as those grey market benzos that are WAYYYYY more powerful then any legal benzo.

Imagine blacking out for a solid week off of just one pill .. i've seen it, fortunately wasn't myself but had this friend not had me as a friend to control him he very well might have given away all his possessions and/or woken up in jail for a stupid crime he would never even have remembered committing.

Legal benzos have many practical and wonderful applications, it's just that many doctors prescribe them like they're candy and without informing the patient of their long term consequences or proper use.
 
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guitarguy10

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DuBR said:
? Maybe stick to Cannabis?
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And if you have a serious mental condition (like General Social Anxiety Disorder, or Social Anxiety Disorder) that are so extreme that you cannot leave your house, you cannot (will not!) speak to people, routinely shake and tremble, can't talk straight, constant overwhelming worry about everything, panic attacks where you literally lose control of yourself (and if in a public place trust me it's not a good situation) ?

If there was a medicine that could reduce or in some cases completely eliminate many of these symptoms I shouldn't use it?

HINT: A drug that is FAR more effective in treating these conditions then marijuanna could *ever* be?
 
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guitarguy10 said:
And if you have a serious mental condition (like General Social Anxiety Disorder, or Social Anxiety Disorder) that are so extreme that you cannot leave your house, you cannot (will not!) speak to people, routinely shake and tremble, can't talk straight, constant overwhelming worry about everything, panic attacks where you literally lose control of yourself (and if in a public place trust me it's not a good situation) ?

If there was a medicine that could reduce or in some cases completely eliminate many of these symptoms I shouldn't use it?

HINT: A drug that is FAR more effective in treating these conditions then marijuanna could *ever* be?
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I deal with that everyday. I’ve been tested since I was 7 years old by doctors and such. On Ritalin at 7, adderal before it was called adderal, concerta, before it was called concerta, Wellbutrin, Anphetamines of all types.

Cannabis and Jesus is all that has helped me.

I was an unwilling lab rat for BigPharma and the government. I found cannabis at 14. Thank God.
Started researching Cannabis at 15. Go sell your BS somewhere else my friend I have been through it all. And those pills given to me so young docked me up in ways people don’t understand.

Hope the best for you. Much Love
 
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guitarguy10

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DuBR said:
I deal with that everyday. I’ve been tested since I was 7 years old by doctors and such. On Ritalin at 7, adderal before it was called adderal, concerta, before it was called concerta, Wellbutrin, Anphetamines of all types.

Cannabis and Jesus is all that has helped me.

I was an unwilling lab rat for BigPharma and the government. I found cannabis at 14. Thank God.
Started researching Cannabis at 15. Go sell your BS somewhere else my friend I have been through it all. And those pills given to me so young docked me up in ways people don’t understand.

Hope the best for you. Much Love
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I have struggled with MDD, SAD and GAD my adult life, I like you have also tried more or less every drug they offer to treat these conditions.

I am not 'selling' anything, I am telling you, a person who clearly does not and has not ever had an anxiety condition (because you said took methylphenidate, adderal, concerta, bupropion and other AMPHETEMINES!!!!!) that there are very few options to treat these anxiety conditions. These drugs don't treat anxiety disorders (in fact they are contraindicatory).

Cannabis is certainly one of the worse options for these real clinical anxiety disorders, the amount of anxiety and paranoia that cannabis ADDS to my already anxious state it doesn't help.

I too have been messed up in ways I very much regret, esp. with these benzos, you are not alone in that. And that is why I have been saying over and over to be very careful with the use of benzos ... but also that for these conditions for which there are no other effective treatments some of these benzos are the only thing that we have and using them responsibly (don't take them everyday or all the time, only when you're about to have a panic attack etc.) can improve our lives.

We seem to have many of the same past experiences yet you seem to act like you think you are better then me or that that even matters, I don't get it.
 
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DuBR

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guitarguy10 said:
I have struggled with MDD, SAD and GAD my adult life, I like you have also tried more or less every drug they offer to treat these conditions.

I am not 'selling' anything, I am telling you, a person who clearly does not and has not ever had an anxiety condition (because you said took methylphenidate, adderal, concerta, bupropion and other AMPHETEMINES!!!!!) that there are very few options to treat these anxiety conditions. These drugs don't treat anxiety disorders (in fact they are contraindicatory).

Cannabis is certainly one of the worse options for these real clinical anxiety disorders, the amount of anxiety and paranoia that cannabis ADDS to my already anxious state it doesn't help.

I too have been messed up in ways I very much regret, esp. with these benzos, you are not alone in that. And that is why I have been saying over and over to be very careful with the use of benzos ... but also that for these conditions for which there are no other effective treatments some of these benzos are the only thing that we have and using them responsibly (don't take them everyday or all the time, only when you're about to have a panic attack etc.) can improve our lives.

We seem to have many of the same past experiences yet you seem to act like you think you are better then me or that that even matters, I don't get it.
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I don’t get being on a cannabis form/post and pushing benzos or any pill. The farther you get from nature, the worse off you are.

You are right those pills didn’t help, and anphetamines are counter productive. So why did the government schools tell my parents and push my parents for me to be on them, why did the doctors lie and say they would help, and why did BigPharma lie? Why did they fuck up my childhood?
Personally I hate pill pushing.

If I went to a doctor and they said, “you are die, but if you take this pill you will live”
First off I wouldn’t believe them, because they lie for money.
Second, I would be inclined to think I am not die but will be if I take the pill, because they lie and keep you sick to make money.
Thirdly: I would reapond. “Shove it up your ass and go fuck yourslef.”
I’d rather die than support Greedy Narcissistic Psychopaths of BigPharma or the doctors helping them kill everyone slowly.

In my humble opinion

Also in my opinion if you think pills help more than cannabis for ADHD autism Social Anxiety or whatever else.
I say you don’t smoke cannabis, or don’t have anxiety.
I am better than know one.

Hope the Best. Much Love
 
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