Bernie Sanders Our Revolution lost in every election yesterday

Padawanbater2 · May 16, 2018

Fogdog said:
Hey, I'm happy that left-liberals won.

No you're not. The more progressives that win, the more you're shown to be wrong. You absolutely do not want actual progressives to win because that would prove Sanders supporters right

Fogdog said:
If Our Revolution or other political committees are going to make a real difference you need to win more than half the races you compete in.

A second ago you were claiming none of them won. Now you're moving the goalposts to say that more of them need to win than did...

Fogdog · May 16, 2018

Padawanbater2 said:
Campaign finance laws are designed by incumbent politicians who design campaign finance laws to benefit incumbents

So they are following the same laws as everybody.

I get that you don't like them. I don't either. In order to change them, the first step is to get Republicans out of control.

Fogdog · May 16, 2018

Padawanbater2 said:
~~No you're not. The more progressives that win, the more you're shown to be wrong. You absolutely do not want actual progressives to win because that would prove Sanders supporters right~~

A second ago you were claiming none of them won. Now you're moving the goalposts to say that more of them need to win than did...

I struck out your uninformed opinions and won't respond to them because your opinion has no value.

The numbers came from Our Revolution's website. As of this morning when I started the thread, that's what it said.

Do you have difficulty with facts?

In order to gain a majority, you liberal idealists will have to occupy more seats than the other guys. Right now you have practically no seats. If you want to have a majority in your lifetime, you need to do better than 50%. I'm embarrassed for you that I have to point that out.

You also have to run people in every possible race, not just the 40 out of hundreds that have already been run at local, state and national level.

Padawanbater2 · May 16, 2018

Fogdog said:
So they are following the same laws as everybody.

Less than two centuries ago the law said African Americans could be owned as slaves

The argument you're using is based on the legality of law enacted by corrupt, unethical, and immoral politicians, just like it was then

Just because the law says something doesn't mean it, or those who would choose to invoke it are right

Fogdog said:
I get that you don't like them. I don't either. In order to change them, the first step is to get Republicans out of control.

The Democrats you support over the progressive challengers support it. Yet you will ignorantly vote them into office just because they have a 'D' behind their name

Padawanbater2 · May 16, 2018

Fogdog said:
I struck out your uninformed opinions and won't respond to them because your opinion has no value.

Yet you continue to deliver uninformed opinions that hold no value..

Fogdog said:
The numbers came from Our Revolution's website. As of yesterday when I started the thread, that's what it said.

As of yesterday, before polls closed. You felt the giddy itch of reward knowing Sanders supporters were wrong and you were right. Then you were proved wrong in abundance

Fogdog said:
In order to gain a majority, your liberal idealists will have to occupy more seats than the other guys. Right now you have practically no seats. If you want to have a majority in your lifetime, you need to do better than 50%. I'm embarrassed for you that I have to point that out.

Do you expect the change being discussed to take place overnight? Wasn't that the criticism you levied against us when I told you it would take more than one election cycle when you called us "idealists" and claimed we were hoping for a "pipe dream"?

This is just the beginning. Buckle up. Progressives will continue to win races across the country despite the best efforts by the Democratic establishment and people like you.

Fogdog · May 16, 2018

Padawanbater2 said:
Yet you continue to deliver uninformed opinions that hold no value..

As of yesterday, before polls closed. You felt the giddy itch of reward knowing Sanders supporters were wrong and you were right. Then you were proved wrong in abundance

Do you expect the change being discussed to take place overnight? Wasn't that the criticism you levied against us when I told you it would take more than one election cycle when you called us "idealists" and claimed we were hoping for a "pipe dream"?

This is just the beginning. Buckle up. Progressives will continue to win races across the country despite the best efforts by the Democratic establishment and people like you.

No, every statement I made in my earlier post is purely based upon facts. Especially that part about your opinion having no value.

Fogdog said:
I struck out your uninformed opinions and won't respond to them because your opinion has no value.

The numbers came from Our Revolution's website. As of yesterday when I started the thread, that's what it said.

Do you have difficulty with facts?

In order to gain a majority, your liberal idealists will have to occupy more seats than the other guys. Right now you have practically no seats. If you want to have a majority in your lifetime, you need to do better than 50%. I'm embarrassed for you that I have to point that out.

You also have to run people in every possible race, not just the 40 out of hundreds that have already been run at local, state and national level.

I do agree the following is my opinion:

I don't believe that Progressives are going to do well in less than liberal districts. That one in Nebraska? It's a tossup between Democrats and Republicans and a Republican won in 2016. It won't be an amazing feat if whats her name the Progressive Democrat wins and I'll be glad she did.

No way a Progressive would have won Scott Lamb's election in Pennsylvania. No way a Progressive would have won in Alabama even with Roy Moore as the alternative.

This is fact:
The trends are in your favor. Demographic modeling indicates a nationwide shift towards California's political climate over the next fifteen years.

edit: I should add that I celebrate this trend.

Fogdog · May 16, 2018

Padawanbater2 said:
Less than two centuries ago the law said African Americans could be owned as slaves

~~The argument you're using is based on the legality of law enacted by corrupt, unethical, and immoral politicians, just like it was then~~

~~Just because the law says something doesn't mean it, or those who would choose to invoke it are right~~

The Democrats you support over the progressive challengers support it. Yet you will ignorantly vote them into office just because they have a 'D' behind their name

I struck out your opinions and won't respond to them because your opinion has no value.

True about how slavery was ended by proclamation and then by amendment at the end of the Civil war. Here is another fact: Every Democratic Senator supported Bernie's bill to repeal the Citizen's United ruling when it came to a vote in 2014. We have very good chances at reforming campaign finance laws when Democrats come into power. Not going to happen in 2019 but maybe in 2021.

Padawanbater2 · May 16, 2018

Fogdog said:
Every Democratic Senator supported Bernie's bill to repeal the Citizen's United ruling when it came to a vote in 2014.

You criticize Sanders when he introduces legislation that most likely won't be passed. Yet here you are praising every corporate Democrat for signing onto Sanders bill that would overturn Citizens United when they know it won't be passed

Fogdog · May 16, 2018

Padawanbater2 said:
You criticize Sanders when he introduces legislation that most likely won't be passed. Yet here you are praising every corporate Democrat for signing onto Sanders bill that would overturn Citizens United when they know it won't be passed

I'm not praising anybody. I'm just pointing out one can see in the Congressional Record that Democrats support the repeal of CU. It could have been anybody's bill but it happened to be Bernie's. I thought you'd like it if I said something nice about Bernie. OK, I'll only say bad stuff about Bernie if that would make you feel better.

Padawanbater2 · May 16, 2018

Fogdog said:
I'm not praising anybody. I'm just pointing out one can see in the Congressional Record that Democrats support the repeal of CU. It could have been anybody's bill but it happened to be Bernie's. I thought you'd like it if I said something nice about Bernie. OK, I'll only say bad stuff about Bernie if that would make you feel better.

Stop being fake and pretending. You're a moderate Democrat, all of your viewpoints and positions solidly attribute that. You're not progressive.

Fogdog · May 16, 2018

Padawanbater2 said:
~~Stop being fake and pretending. You're a moderate Democrat, all of your viewpoints and positions solidly attribute that. You're not progressive.~~

For the sake of clarity, I struck out the statements are simply baseless opinions so that the reader can focus on factual statements.

Fogdog · May 23, 2018

The losing just continues for Our Revolution

Finally, deep in the heart of Texas, perhaps Tuesday’s most anticipated raceended up fizzling out: Establishment pick Lizzie Pannill Fletcher trounced #Resistance activist Laura Moser 67 percent to 33 percent for the Democratic nomination in the 7th Congressional District. Although everyone in the other 49 states saw this race as a referendum on the DCCC after it released an opposition-research dump on Moser in February, both campaigns had seemed to put the kerfuffle behind them. (The runoff was even described as “boring,” and a debate moderator expressed annoyance at the lack of differences between the two.) That may have allowed anger over the DCCC’s attack to subside — or maybe, despite conventional wisdom that the attack backfired and propelled Moser into the runoff, it never actually mattered to voters in the first place. Local Texas reporters suggested that most of the outrage over the incident came from outside the district.

Idiot idealists that call themselves Progressive will be outraged of course. Not that they know anything about the candidates.

Unclebaldrick · May 23, 2018

Fogdog said:
The losing just continues for Our Revolution

Finally, deep in the heart of Texas, perhaps Tuesday’s most anticipated raceended up fizzling out: Establishment pick Lizzie Pannill Fletcher trounced #Resistance activist Laura Moser 67 percent to 33 percent for the Democratic nomination in the 7th Congressional District. Although everyone in the other 49 states saw this race as a referendum on the DCCC after it released an opposition-research dump on Moser in February, both campaigns had seemed to put the kerfuffle behind them. (The runoff was even described as “boring,” and a debate moderator expressed annoyance at the lack of differences between the two.) That may have allowed anger over the DCCC’s attack to subside — or maybe, despite conventional wisdom that the attack backfired and propelled Moser into the runoff, it never actually mattered to voters in the first place. Local Texas reporters suggested that most of the outrage over the incident came from outside the district.

Idiot idealists that call themselves Progressive will be outraged of course. Not that they know anything about the candidates.

The difference between the two was the capital P in progressive and a fuckload of ego and self-importance.

Fogdog · May 23, 2018

Unclebaldrick said:
The difference between the two was the capital P in progressive and a fuckload of ego and self-importance.

They only care about their team. They don't care about winning.

SB85 · May 23, 2018

That group endorsed Nixon but she is failing to get the support of democrats out here in NY.

Fogdog · May 23, 2018

SB85 said:
That group endorsed Nixon but she is failing to get the support of democrats out here in NY.

I checked Our Revolutions's page of endorsed candidates and didn't see her name listed.

The seem to be cherry picking endorsements for races that are in liberal-leaning districts and in some cases, the "establishment candidate" is also listed on Our Revolution's list of candidates.

All that said, Cynthia Nixon vs 2-times and incumbent Governor Cuomo is Sturm and Drang on the part of so-called Progressives. She failed to win any support in the official nomination convention and is going the route of petitioning to gain entry on the ballot. All she can do is cost Democrats the Governor's seat in New York.

"Give me what I want or I'll give you Republicans"

No thanks and go to hell

Padawanbater2 · May 23, 2018

SB85 said:
That group endorsed Nixon but she is failing to get the support of democrats out here in NY.

Nixon would be the first female gov of NY, Hillary Clinton just endorsed her opponent, Andrew Cuomo

Pretty big night for Our Revolution. Big wins all across the board;

Our Revolution

Stacey Abrams
Paul Walker
Maureen Skinner
Lisa Ring (JD)
Adrian Wallace
Shelly Hutchinson
Sheikh Rahman

PCCC

Rob Walker
Charles Booker
Aisha Yaqoob

Padawanbater2 · May 23, 2018

Fogdog said:
All she can do is cost Democrats the Governor's seat in New York.

New York is one of the most progressive states in the country. There is nothing Nixon or anyone else could do to get New York to turn red

And Cuomo is as conservative as DINO's come, just like Feinstein and Clinton. You support moderate Democratic policies in conservative states/districts, and you support moderate Democratic policies in progressive states/districts. Are we seeing a pattern?

SB85 · May 23, 2018

Padawanbater2 said:
Nixon would be the first female gov of NY, Hillary Clinton just endorsed her opponent, Andrew Cuomo

Pretty big night for Our Revolution. Big wins all across the board;

Our Revolution

Stacey Abrams
Paul Walker
Maureen Skinner
Lisa Ring (JD)
Adrian Wallace
Shelly Hutchinson
Sheikh Rahman

PCCC

Rob Walker
Charles Booker
Aisha Yaqoob

I thought Nixon could have had success being as how many democrats seem to be upset with how Cuomo is running things/even boo the guy at events

Padawanbater2 · May 23, 2018

SB85 said:
I thought Nixon could have had success being as how many democrats seem to be upset with how Cuomo is running things/even boo the guy at events

Cuomo has the entire Democratic political establishment behind him. Any time a grassroots type of candidate runs it's an uphill battle. Nixon has a lot of enthusiasm behind her in NY from progressives and she's running a good campaign on all the right issues and she has a lot of name recognition from being a celebrity, so I think if anyone can beat an establishment backed candidate like Cuomo, it would be someone like her. We'll see soon enough

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