Ayahuasca

I may or may not be planning on trying it sometime in the distant future. I was just wondering have any of you friends ever meddled with it?
What was it like for you?
How did you prepare it, and do you have a favorite way to prepare it?
Just give me some of your past experiences if you've had any, and if you haven't still go ahead and give me some thoughts!

I'm really just curious, I know its something that really needs to be respected and I understand that completely. I'm kind of fascinated with all of the shamanistic type of "drugs" out there, from the LSA seeds, ayahuasca, and all of the herbs out there that have great affects both psychedelic and not.

If peyote is a glimpse of heaven, Ayahuasca is a taste of hell. Entheogenic spiritual enlightenment can be amazing and life changing, but can also go very very badly, leaving you crying and ashamed for days. I would probably recommend cubensis if you're not versed in spiritual helpers and self improvement spiritual trips.

GrnMn said:

If peyote is a glimpse of heaven, Ayahuasca is a taste of hell. Entheogenic spiritual enlightenment can be amazing and life changing, but can also go very very badly, leaving you crying and ashamed for days. I would probably recommend cubensis if you're not versed in spiritual helpers and self improvement spiritual trips.

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Hmm, okay man, can you elaborate on that a little more? I completely understand what you're saying, but what was your experiences?
I also plan on trying san pedro or peyote some time too! I'm still new to psychedelics and there aren't many around here in the sticks, we got weed out the ass though!

I'll look up cubensis, what were your experiences with that? I've never even heard of it, but like I said I'm new to this section of the woods.

Psilocybe Cubensis = psychoactive mushrooms

DoomBrew420 said:

Psilocybe Cubensis = psychoactive mushrooms

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Haha, embarrassing that I didn't know that. Thanks for not laughing at me though! Like I said its not common around here, we don't have different types of mushrooms (well obviously we do) but they are all just "mushrooms". You get what you get lol

I would go with mescaline for a first cactus trip. Before considering that, go with mushrooms. They are very easy and cheap to grow at home, and the effect if you are truly looking to find your flaws and better your relationship with life, is perfect. The mushroom gods show you what they choose, so no trip is ever the same. Some will break your heart while others make it burst with love and hope. Ayahuasca is very visual, but ime very dark as well. It was frightening. Like I said, if mescaline is a glimpse of heaven, ayahuasca is a glimpse of hell. Shroomery or entheogen.com are good places to do research, and others' trip reports may help you make a decision. Trichocereus Pachanoi grows well and fast, but is generally weak. Peyote takes forever to come to fruition, but after eating a few, you love your others much much more. If you're going to try and search your soul and pot isn't doing it for you, try pcilicybe cubensis. Spores are cheap and set up is also (just remember that growing god fruit is surgery, so be extremely sterile and you'll have no problems). I think hawkseye is a good site, but shroomery will put you in contact with threads of good places to get spores and syringes. If you have questions about trips, good or bad, send me a private message. Most trips are extremely personal, and I'd not like to share that with everyone. If you really would like to know, and won't jump on the critical side, I would be more than happy to explain some of the things I've learned over the years.

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Listen to this guy.

GrnMn said:

I would go with mescaline for a first cactus trip. Before considering that, go with mushrooms. They are very easy and cheap to grow at home, and the effect if you are truly looking to find your flaws and better your relationship with life, is perfect. The mushroom gods show you what they choose, so no trip is ever the same. Some will break your heart while others make it burst with love and hope. Ayahuasca is very visual, but ime very dark as well. It was frightening. Like I said, if mescaline is a glimpse of heaven, ayahuasca is a glimpse of hell. Shroomery or entheogen.com are good places to do research, and others' trip reports may help you make a decision. Trichocereus Pachanoi grows well and fast, but is generally weak. Peyote takes forever to come to fruition, but after eating a few, you love your others much much more. If you're going to try and search your soul and pot isn't doing it for you, try pcilicybe cubensis. Spores are cheap and set up is also (just remember that growing god fruit is surgery, so be extremely sterile and you'll have no problems). I think hawkseye is a good site, but shroomery will put you in contact with threads of good places to get spores and syringes. If you have questions about trips, good or bad, send me a private message. Most trips are extremely personal, and I'd not like to share that with everyone. If you really would like to know, and won't jump on the critical side, I would be more than happy to explain some of the things I've learned over the years.

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Thank you very much for your kindness and information. I'll check out those sites, and I just may take you up on that offer and PM you. I really do want to learn more about myself and this world, I'm more of a spiritual person, not just trying to trip balls lol.

Thank you again

greenswag said:

Thank you very much for your kindness and information. I'll check out those sites, and I just may take you up on that offer and PM you. I really do want to learn more about myself and this world, I'm more of a spiritual person, not just trying to trip balls lol.

Thank you again

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Any time friend.

for real you don't want ayahuaska for your first trip shrooms are the best they only last about 4 hours but I've seen a few people freak out on them but the shit your talking about is sopouse to last longer and I think stronger than lsd you can loose your mind if your freaking out on that shit.

bluntmassa1 said:

for real you don't want ayahuaska for your first trip shrooms are the best they only last about 4 hours but I've seen a few people freak out on them but the shit your talking about is sopouse to last longer and I think stronger than lsd you can loose your mind if your freaking out on that shit.

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Seriously, a taste of hell. It was good to learn the terrible things I've seen, but if I could repeat the time, I'd have never done it. Mushrooms are excellent to get a glimpse, but I'd recommend no more than once a month with lots of preparation. Outdoors is usually a good setting, but be safe; no cliffs or water to drown in, if you wait til dark, keep your fire small and made of twigs. You won't want to move for several hours, so bring water and orange juice (reason for oj). Try to not trip indoors as memories can affect and take control of your inner adventure. Day tripping is good, but you'll delve deeper into your own mind in the dark. Just keep everything neutral and happy; bad trips are just as enlightening, but can crush your spirit and take months to recover from. You can find the good in life, or how bad you really are inside. Tripping is like being a bright eyed child exposed to the truths, righteousness, and wrong doings of the world with no parental protection. You expose yourself naked to the world, and learn things you never consciously thought of.

good luck!

GrnMn said:

Seriously, a taste of hell. It was good to learn the terrible things I've seen, but if I could repeat the time, I'd have never done it. Mushrooms are excellent to get a glimpse, but I'd recommend no more than once a month with lots of preparation. Outdoors is usually a good setting, but be safe; no cliffs or water to drown in, if you wait til dark, keep your fire small and made of twigs. You won't want to move for several hours, so bring water and orange juice (reason for oj). Try to not trip indoors as memories can affect and take control of your inner adventure. Day tripping is good, but you'll delve deeper into your own mind in the dark. Just keep everything neutral and happy; bad trips are just as enlightening, but can crush your spirit and take months to recover from. You can find the good in life, or how bad you really are inside. Tripping is like being a bright eyed child exposed to the truths, righteousness, and wrong doings of the world with no parental protection. You expose yourself naked to the world, and learn things you never consciously thought of.

good luck!

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I'm TORN between saying, shit, this guys knows, and saying, shit, this guy MISSED it.

Set and Setting are the core, but mind-set is years in the making. And FILLED with contradictory viewpoint, compartmentalized hidden memories, and buried connections you never wanted to think about. If you've lived a live of pain and suffering, tripping will probably not be a good idea for you. But if you are ready to look hard at your life and make decisions to move forward, tripping can be a hell of a tool.

Any of the "majors" (LSD, Mescaline, Psilocybin, DMT (this is the list for me, I assume there are more, ignoring the gabillion RC chems)) are capable of putting you into that head space. And none of them are directly deadly, so people can play HARD, without physical fear.

The freezer fairy just showed up. She defrosted the freezer. Fuck. a QP of shrooms. Yes, I lost them in there. And an ounce of pins. holy shit, I'm gonna try the pins tomorrow.

So anyway, to OP: Do NOT take it to heart when one individual has bad things to say about a particular hallucinogen. No matter how smart they are. Do more research.

Also, that bullshit about not wanting to be indoors because it trigger bad memories. WTF? What if it triggers good memories? What if it is nice and comfy and it is storming outside?

Sure, outdoor trips can be awesome, love camping trips, but they are not a requirement.

I love my home, I love my people around me, I'm happy to kick back for 1/2 a day on the 3rd floor while the house is filled with people.

Tripping is the most individualistic experience you can ever have. No matter what level of connection you experience, the ability to convey that to someone not there is non-existent. This is your journey to follow, no one else's.

Review what makes you feel good, and then use the chemical to enhance that direction. Plan. You will be very distracted for the duration, possibly incoherent. Have a sitter, a good friend, someone who understands the situation and acts as a buffer between you and the world. Someone you trust.

Enjoy. Explore.

testtime said:

I'm TORN between saying, shit, this guys knows, and saying, shit, this guy MISSED it.

Set and Setting are the core, but mind-set is years in the making. And FILLED with contradictory viewpoint, compartmentalized hidden memories, and buried connections you never wanted to think about. If you've lived a live of pain and suffering, tripping will probably not be a good idea for you. But if you are ready to look hard at your life and make decisions to move forward, tripping can be a hell of a tool.

Any of the "majors" (LSD, Mescaline, Peyote, Psilocybin, DMT (this is the list for me, I assume there are more, ignoring the gabillion RC chems)) are capable of putting you into that head space. And none of them are directly deadly, so people can play HARD, without physical fear.

The freezer fairy just showed up. She defrosted the freezer. Fuck. a QP of shrooms. Yes, I lost them in there. And an ounce of pins. holy shit, I'm gonna try the pins tomorrow.

So anyway, to OP: Do NOT take it to heart when one individual has bad things to say about a particular hallucinogen. No matter how smart they are. Do more research.

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I agree with this completely. I would still recommend anything other than ayahuasca for your first time, but that is opinion. So sorry to you up there, I hate to hear of your loss. If you haven't yet, set your fungi friends out to make sure they don't accumulate moisture; silicate packets may help too...

As said, set and setting are extremely important, and if you experiment, you WILL eventually see the dark side of the force. This can be a good thing too, but it can put you back a bit too, and be quite terrifying. Do your homework, read and read some more. Good luck on your journey!

testtime said:

I'm TORN between saying, shit, this guys knows, and saying, shit, this guy MISSED it.

Set and Setting are the core, but mind-set is years in the making. And FILLED with contradictory viewpoint, compartmentalized hidden memories, and buried connections you never wanted to think about. If you've lived a live of pain and suffering, tripping will probably not be a good idea for you. But if you are ready to look hard at your life and make decisions to move forward, tripping can be a hell of a tool.

Any of the "majors" (LSD, Mescaline, Peyote, Psilocybin, DMT (this is the list for me, I assume there are more, ignoring the gabillion RC chems)) are capable of putting you into that head space. And none of them are directly deadly, so people can play HARD, without physical fear.

The freezer fairy just showed up. She defrosted the freezer. Fuck. a QP of shrooms. Yes, I lost them in there. And an ounce of pins. holy shit, I'm gonna try the pins tomorrow.

So anyway, to OP: Do NOT take it to heart when one individual has bad things to say about a particular hallucinogen. No matter how smart they are. Do more research.

Also, that bullshit about not wanting to be indoors because it trigger bad memories. WTF? What if it triggers good memories? What if it is nice and comfy and it is storming outside?

Sure, outdoor trips can be awesome, love camping trips, but they are not a requirement.

I love my home, I love my people around me, I'm happy to kick back for 1/2 a day on the 3rd floor while the house is filled with people.

Review what makes you feel good, and then use the chemical to enhance that direction. Plan. You will be very distracted for the duration, possibly incoherent. Have a sitter, a good friend, someone who understands the situation and acts as a buffer between you and the world. Someone you trust.

Enjoy. Explore.

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Your shrooms are fine, if they were dry and in a jar.

Oh, the shrooms are perfect.
I meant my freezer was so packed with so much, when I "ran out" a while ago I really didn't.
Today, it was defrosted, and look: multiple packs of perfectly dried vacuum packed well labeled down to the gram, shield from light.

Holy shit YAY!

And to top it off, big bag'o'pins. I'm gonna munch slow on them though, figure a gram every 30 min or so.

GrnMn said:

As said, set and setting are extremely important, and if you experiment, you WILL eventually see the dark side of the force. This can be a good thing too, but it can put you back a bit too, and be quite terrifying. Do your homework, read and read some more. Good luck on your journey!

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Ok, let me reset.

Recommending to nubie: Go with shrooms. Easy to make, Easy to eat, no drug deal track down pain in the ass crap, you will be sure of what you have. Relax, no worries.

But: When you have a 1/2 dozen trips under your belt, then try short term NON-MAOI DMT, smoke it. That'll give you the taste to then make an informed (if such a thing is truly possible )decision.

Just got done eating some awesome ribs. Thanks for all the replies, can someone toss me some links to helpful guides from this site for growing the mushrooms? I hear a lot about a pop-corn method that I think I might try. Thanks again everyone

Taking aya for a first trip is like trying to learn to drive in an F1 car. It's not going to end well. I disagree about the advice for where to dose that GrnMn gave, I'm sure that's what he likes and it's right for him. But ultimately what matters is that you're in a comfortable place physically and mentally for you.
good luck on your quest.

MrEDuck said:

Taking aya for a first trip is like trying to learn to drive in an F1 car. It's not going to end well. I disagree about the advice for where to dose that GrnMn gave, I'm sure that's what he likes and it's right for him. But ultimately what matters is that you're in a comfortable place physically and mentally for you.
good luck on your quest.

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To be honest, I really agree with you; this is something I could spend hours talking about. I personally always feel confined in a room or building, and only open space truly relaxes me. I stick to what I said about dangers of location; you don't want to risk a fall, or accidental drowning... You do not want to start a wild fire or be somewhere you may be found by a passerby. Indoors it seems the walls close in and I'm stuck under a blanket shivering, scared of myself. With external stimuli, the whole seems to be much more rounded, and the need to escape is provided since you are already away from the things you may regret. My only bad trips have been at home, as it seems all the problems I face daily surround me and try to drown me; it's very hard to get an outside perspective when you're tripping with an insider point of view.

I would say that no matter what, make sure you are not only safe, but comfortable. If it is your home, or a private safe secluded area, be sure that it's somewhere you can reflect with an open mind and with no predetermining factors.

I'd say the best place to trip is with a few good tripping friends. I don't know about grnmn saying to do it in the woods I know I would have a great time but if your scared of wild life I wouldn't do it espeacially alone my girl freaked out from being outside their was a noise in the woods and she started freaking out but I was having a grand ol time but it was my girls first time we went in the house and she was just freaking out the whole time after that. I have had a bad trip on shrooms once too I just got arrested the night before I was hung over me and some girl split a bag and I went out too pick up another girl and went to pick up a pizza and a cop was their and I just started tripping then I got back in my car and another cop pulled up damn near behind me and turned his lights on for a second and then I really started to freak out I got home and they where watching football and I was the only one tripping and some reason I couldn't shake the bad trip till I went out to my car and listened to the radio by myself and finaly mellowed out.