Ascorbic Acid to Promote Growth
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slownickel
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Doctor Who,
The issues behind pH are not what folks think they are. I can out produce nearly anyone in the planet in limes, avocado, asparagus and many other crops, by factors of 2 to 4 times in these high pH soils.
High pH means that there is more nutrients there than there are anionic binding sites, that is all.
If you are doing hydroponics, I would be afraid of course, but in a real soil, well managed with enough Calcium, well, no worries mate!
GanjaGrin
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I know this thread is a couple years old now..... But I just thought I would add that absorbic acid & ascorbate is also a nutrient chelator. I just saw it on the back of 2 flushing agents at my local grow store. One was "Cyco Kleanse". It has sucrose and absorbic acid in it. So I would assume adding absorbic acid (vitamin C) directly to the soil would help unlock some nutrients.
Also:
Vitamin C Is Essential For Plant Growth. ...Vitamin C is already known to be an antioxidant, which helps plants deal with stresses from drought to ozone and UV radiation, but until now it was not known that plants could not grow without it. Sep 27, 2007
Note:
This is the vitamin C that's made in the plant by the enzyme, GDP-L-galactose phosphorylase, which produces vitamin C, or ascorbate, in plants. Not by adding vitamin C to the soil.
Also:
Vitamin C Is Essential For Plant Growth. ...Vitamin C is already known to be an antioxidant, which helps plants deal with stresses from drought to ozone and UV radiation, but until now it was not known that plants could not grow without it. Sep 27, 2007
Note:
This is the vitamin C that's made in the plant by the enzyme, GDP-L-galactose phosphorylase, which produces vitamin C, or ascorbate, in plants. Not by adding vitamin C to the soil.
LinguaPeel
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Does Cannabis indica have an enzyme to digest the acid?
If you grow a shitty low Brix hydro plant and it gets fucked up by a fungus or a mold, it didn't have the enzyme to break down the microbial feces, which is an acid.
If you grew a bagseed in your classic soul mix that's produced skunk for decades, and the plant doesn't smell like skunk, it lacks the enzyme to digest the linolenic acid, so the butanethiol doesn't get produced.
Acids are important. Enzymes are important. Cannabis growers aren't talking about anything important. Phylos is. Gw is. Bayer is.
If you grow a shitty low Brix hydro plant and it gets fucked up by a fungus or a mold, it didn't have the enzyme to break down the microbial feces, which is an acid.
If you grew a bagseed in your classic soul mix that's produced skunk for decades, and the plant doesn't smell like skunk, it lacks the enzyme to digest the linolenic acid, so the butanethiol doesn't get produced.
Acids are important. Enzymes are important. Cannabis growers aren't talking about anything important. Phylos is. Gw is. Bayer is.
707 Loki
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I know this is from a long time ago. But I still want to put in my two cents.. you were a dick. You clearly had no choice, you're an asshole. Some people can't even see that they are.
SlownLow86
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Dude... If you're gonna bring back a thread from years ago, at least add some relevant new info to the thread. Don't just call names. Even though you're 100% right, how does that contribute to the conversation?
Dr. Who
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And ?
Yeah, I admit I was curt and impolite.
I was a rather different person back then. It was 4 years ago. People and things change.
I still say vitamin C is more used by "fruiting" plants then by our family of plants. That's from an education and not a leap of logic.
That was my poorly stated point back then....
Now then. Anything plant related to say?
707 Loki
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I apologize, I must have forgotten to take my 5htp or something. I clearly was outside my rational mind at the time.
I think the reaction i had must have stemmed from a long brewing reaction to the general dismissive tone used by people who grow simple and organic. Don't get me wrong, I believe those are generally the people who /should/ be listened to. And I agree that most products on the market are branding and snakeoil pitches designed to take, best case scenario, known horticultural science and repackage it and raise the price. And at worst, carcinogenic (or) pseudo-science that works really well/or not at all. (I'm thinking Gravity, Bush Load, half of AN's product line)
I generally agree with the organic grower sentiment. Or at least that skepticism is warranted when new products enter the marketplace.
The people who grow pumpkins from seed to multiple thousand lb monsters each year as a hobby don't shop at the hydro store. Nobody buys this shit except weed growers. That tells me a lot.
... but... my gripe... is that the snarky, holier than thou, condescending comments by these otherwise wise and savvy growers seem to belie an assertion that science isn't progressing in horticulture. That everything we need to know about growing and plant nutrition is already written down and there's no need for curiosity. I guess I just like to see people excited about innovating, and hate to see people deflate that excitement in the name of some ridged status quo.. maybe experimenting with ascorbic acid is dumb. But, on the other hand, I'm pretty certain the earth is not the center of the universe . Don't stone me bro.
Again, my apologies for being a 'dredging up the past fly by night asshole' myself, how embarrassing... hope you all are staying safe and have as good a holiday season as you hope to have.
I think the reaction i had must have stemmed from a long brewing reaction to the general dismissive tone used by people who grow simple and organic. Don't get me wrong, I believe those are generally the people who /should/ be listened to. And I agree that most products on the market are branding and snakeoil pitches designed to take, best case scenario, known horticultural science and repackage it and raise the price. And at worst, carcinogenic (or) pseudo-science that works really well/or not at all. (I'm thinking Gravity, Bush Load, half of AN's product line)
I generally agree with the organic grower sentiment. Or at least that skepticism is warranted when new products enter the marketplace.
The people who grow pumpkins from seed to multiple thousand lb monsters each year as a hobby don't shop at the hydro store. Nobody buys this shit except weed growers. That tells me a lot.
... but... my gripe... is that the snarky, holier than thou, condescending comments by these otherwise wise and savvy growers seem to belie an assertion that science isn't progressing in horticulture. That everything we need to know about growing and plant nutrition is already written down and there's no need for curiosity. I guess I just like to see people excited about innovating, and hate to see people deflate that excitement in the name of some ridged status quo.. maybe experimenting with ascorbic acid is dumb. But, on the other hand, I'm pretty certain the earth is not the center of the universe . Don't stone me bro.
Again, my apologies for being a 'dredging up the past fly by night asshole' myself, how embarrassing... hope you all are staying safe and have as good a holiday season as you hope to have.
Dr. Who
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I AGREE!
At some point I looked back at what I was doing and it did NOT make me comfortable with myself. It is something I try to work on everyday.
For me it's simply the science of what I learned in school. The new trick? Is to NOT make that point with a shitty, holier then thou reply, right along with a shitty jab at the poster.
I'm getting old and it's time I get patient. I never wanted to be the old geezer who ran out and took the ball, and called the police. Especially, when it landed in my yard!
Hope the season does you well too Loki!
Peace to all!
I am like Dr Who, I have never seen any growth benefits from using Ascorbic Acid on a cannabis plant, yeah, been there and done that 20 or so years ago, and as for its ability to remove chloramine from water, it doesn't, it just helps break the ammonia / chlorine bond so that the chlorine in the water can more effectively evaporate! But if you are just wanting to do that, remove chloramine from your water, using sodium thiosulfate is considered to be the de facto standard for doing that where active soil microbes will be feed that water, or where one might be adding that water to water area's that may have fish, wild life, and even humans using those water area's as a water source!
