Anyone tried these - TRON strips 166-182 lum/W from TME.eu ??

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TRON 24X560-E-830-000-08S6P TRON - LED strip | 23.2V; white warm; W: 24mm; L: 560mm; No.of diodes: 48; T24560E-830-86 | TME - Electronic components

TRON TRON 24X560-E-830-000-08S6P | LED strip; 23.2V; white warm; W: 24mm; L: 560mm; No.of diodes: 48 - This product is available in Transfer Multisort Elektronik. Check out our wide range of products.
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Strange but in the documentation, it doesn't say what chips were used. But if 166 - 182 lum/W is true then its easier/cheaper for me to get than Samsung F type Gen3 since I'm not in the USA.
 
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Zokko said:
https://www.tme.com/us/en-us/details/t40560l-830-0/light-sources-led-bars/tron/tron-40x560-l-830-000-0/

Dual spectrum with 48 diodes and the terminals of the second spectrum are there but the diodes are not. LG boards. o_O
Would be cool if It is possible to solder your own chips eh?
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max current is 350ma on these. the first ones you posted were only 780ma. you will need 2-3x as many strips as if you ran Samsung or Bridgelux.

these Tron strips are more in line with Samsung Influx linear. those are same diode count LM301A strips. 1.38A test, 1.8 max. arrow has them on sale for $1.50 for single row, or $2.50 for double row 2 ft strips. if you run them as soft as these tron strips you will hit similar lm/w.

I like @cobshopgrow suggestion of Bridgelux instead. Vesta 2 ft dual spectrum 90cri strips are only $10 each and @ 200 diodes per strip
 
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ilovereggae said:
max current is 350ma on these. the first ones you posted were only 780ma. you will need 2-3x as many strips as if you ran Samsung or Bridgelux.

these Tron strips are more in line with Samsung Influx linear. those are same diode count LM301A strips. 1.38A test, 1.8 max. arrow has them on sale for $1.50 for single row, or $2.50 for double row 2 ft strips. if you run them as soft as these tron strips you will hit similar lm/w.

I like @cobshopgrow suggestion of Bridgelux instead. Vesta 2 ft dual spectrum 90cri strips are only $10 each and @ 200 diodes per strip
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$2.50 thats really low. Arrow, Digikey, they ship from US right?

I'm in EU and would like to avoid customs and so far haven't found a place where to buy Samsung or Bridgelux strips in EU only COBs . Just came across the TRONs as an option.

At this price even using 2x 3x more pieces it's still cheaper plus I guess better light spread.
 
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It is in the documentation of the TRONs, that the dual spectrum board (double the amount of diodes per board) can only support the power for 1 channel at a time. Would it be possible to run both channels at the same time if the strip is kept cool enough, meaning its mounted on a big enough heatsink to take the extra heatWatts?
 
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Zokko said:
$2.50 thats really low. Arrow, Digikey, they ship from US right?

I'm in EU and would like to avoid customs and so far haven't found a place where to buy Samsung or Bridgelux strips in EU only COBs . Just came across the TRONs as an option.

At this price even using 2x 3x more pieces it's still cheaper plus I guess better light spread.
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future electronics should offer some shipping from within the eu.
digikey ships from usa, but from 50$ on shipping is free, you pay the customs in advance there is no delay or question from the customs.
 
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Zokko said:
$2.50 thats really low. Arrow, Digikey, they ship from US right?

I'm in EU and would like to avoid customs and so far haven't found a place where to buy Samsung or Bridgelux strips in EU only COBs . Just came across the TRONs as an option.

At this price even using 2x 3x more pieces it's still cheaper plus I guess better light spread.
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arrow has warehouse on every continent and free shipping if you spend $50.

these are the older strips lm301A strips

single row 2 ft - L04 - 48 diodes
$1.43 - 3500K

double row 2 ft - L09 - 96 diodes
$2.76 - 3500K

here are the older Vestas strips I was referring to

BXEB-TL-2750G-3000-A-13 Bridgelux | Optoelectronics | DigiKey

Order today, ships today. BXEB-TL-2750G-3000-A-13 – LED Lighting COBs Engines Modules LED Module series White, Warm / White, Cool Linear Light Strip from Bridgelux. Pricing and Availability on millions of electronic components from Digi-Key Electronics.
www.digikey.com www.digikey.com

@cobshopgrow while I agree the newer Vesta thrives are better, these are still cheaper than the Tron strips, have 2x diodes, take almost 3x the current, and are 90cri vs 80. if budget is a concern (since the Thrives are almost 2x cost), these older ones are still a better choice imo.

here are the newer version he is referring to. I am planning on building a few 2x4 fixtures out of these this summer. these are 98cri as well!

BXEB-TL-L0560Z-2750S2000-A-C3 Bridgelux | Optoelectronics | DigiKey

Order today, ships today. BXEB-TL-L0560Z-2750S2000-A-C3 – LED Lighting COBs Engines Modules LED Module series White, Warm / White, Cool Linear Light Strip from Bridgelux. Pricing and Availability on millions of electronic components from Digi-Key Electronics.
www.digikey.com www.digikey.com
 
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cobshopgrow said:
future electronics should offer some shipping from within the eu.
digikey ships from usa, but from 50$ on shipping is free, you pay the customs in advance there is no delay or question from the customs.
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ilovereggae said:
arrow has warehouse on every continent and free shipping if you spend $50.
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Wow thanks!! I guess that problem is solved. (:


ilovereggae said:
double row 2 ft - L09 - 96 diodes
$2.76 - 3500K
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Dude, this is exactly what I was looking for!!
Budget is not an issue, but at this price.... dude..... $0.33 vs $2.67 / 1000lum ... HOW can I NOT give them a try since I'm 1 lvl total noob in building and using LEDs.
Thats perfect!

But... wait... old ~70w - 8500lum vs new 50w - 8500lum..... that's like 40% more efficient. Also old model is 50° C max while the new model's test temperature is 65° C.
I guess heat is going to be an issue with the cheap ones...


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here are the newer version he is referring to. I am planning on building a few 2x4 fixtures out of these this summer. these are 98cri as well!
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122 lum/W 138 lum/W ... and the price is still around $20. What makes them better than Samsung F type?
 
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ilovereggae

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Zokko said:
Wow thanks!! I guess that problem is solved. (:




Dude, this is exactly what I was looking for!!
Budget is not an issue, but at this price.... dude..... $0.33 vs $2.67 / 1000lum ... HOW can I NOT give them a try since I'm 1 lvl total noob in building and using LEDs.
Thats perfect!

But... wait... old ~70w - 8500lum vs new 50w - 8500lum..... that's like 40% more efficient. Also old model is 50° C max while the new model's test temperature is 65° C.
I guess heat is going to be an issue with the cheap ones...




122 lum/W 138 lum/W ... and the price is still around $20. What makes them better than Samsung F type?
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98cri vs 80cri. and they have a really nice spectrum.

lm/w isn't as important as overall output. in terms of photon output these are close to the Samsung when u do the math (which i dont have formulas handy or fully understand, but trust those who have). also we never really want to run leds at max. these Vestas or Thrives usually we do 1A total between both strips. or basically run at test, not max. since these are rated for 2.4A u could run each one at 1.2A and be good. but that said you can just run a few more strips and few more watts if you think its needed when using cheaper strips.

also these have 2 rows, 1 2700k and one 5000k so u can run both or each one separately for a tuneable fixture. the price also drops to $16 a strip if u get 10.

if you dont care about the tuneable part, the EB3 strips can be gotten at 90cri in single row version for @ 12 a strip if u buy 20. those are close in lm/w efficiency as the Samsung ones, over 200 if u run them soft enough.
 
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ilovereggae said:
98cri vs 80cri. and they have a really nice spectrum.

lm/w isn't as important as overall output. in terms of photon output these are close to the Samsung when u do the math (which i dont have formulas handy or fully understand, but trust those who have). also we never really want to run leds at max. these Vestas or Thrives usually we do 1A total between both strips. or basically run at test, not max. since these are rated for 2.4A u could run each one at 1.2A and be good. but that said you can just run a few more strips and few more watts if you think its needed when using cheaper strips.

also these have 2 rows, 1 2700k and one 5000k so u can run both or each one separately for a tuneable fixture. the price also drops to $16 a strip if u get 10.

if you dont care about the tuneable part, the EB3 strips can be gotten at 90cri in single row version for @ 12 a strip if u buy 20. those are close in lm/w efficiency as the Samsung ones, over 200 if u run them soft enough.
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Sounds sweet. 2700k instead of 3000k plus u can play with the blue/red ratio all you want.

But is 98 cri really worth it? I thought 80cri is better for plants. You get more red with higher cri, right? Cant you just compensate that by adding more red lights/2700k?
 
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Sounds sweet. 2700k instead of 3000k plus u can play with the blue/red ratio all you want.

But is 98 cri really worth it? I thought 80cri is better for plants. You get more red with higher cri, right? Cant you just compensate that by adding more red lights/2700k?
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I know some tests have been done on 90cri vs 80cri and seemed promising. I havent actually seen any grows using 98cri yet tbh. I think the argument for higher CRI is that its closer to "daylight" and if nothing else, is a lot easier to spot deficiencies sooner. With that in mind the original Vestas are 90cri, but a bit less efficient, but half the price. I agree there are a lot of different ways to go about it.
 
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ilovereggae said:
I know some tests have been done on 90cri vs 80cri and seemed promising. I havent actually seen any grows using 98cri yet tbh. I think the argument for higher CRI is that its closer to "daylight" and if nothing else, is a lot easier to spot deficiencies sooner. With that in mind the original Vestas are 90cri, but a bit less efficient, but half the price. I agree there are a lot of different ways to go about it.
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There's a thread on 90 Vs 80 with some very detailed info. Check it out if you haven't. Didn't read the whole thing (since I'm a lvl1 grower, that's more like lvl 20 grower material) but what I take from it is 2700k 98 cri should put out a bit more red than 2700k 80cri.

80 vs 90 CRI... Convince me

Hi guys, I've been outie for way too long! Glad to be back. As my first order of business, I will be replacing my CXA3070 3000k with LED strips. I am already set on getting the eb series from bridgelux. Now my dilemma, I can get eb gen 2 at 3500k 80 Cri and be happy. Or I can special order Gen...
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Yo, dude @ilovereggae , I'm starting to lean towards the Bridgelux dual spec strips too, maybe 10 of these:

BXEB-TL-L0560Z-2750E2000-A-C3 Bridgelux | Optoelectronics | DigiKey

Order today, ships today. BXEB-TL-L0560Z-2750E2000-A-C3 – LED Lighting COBs Engines Modules LED Module series White, Warm / White, Cool Linear Light Strip from Bridgelux. Pricing and Availability on millions of electronic components from Digi-Key Electronics.
www.digikey.com www.digikey.com

One thing I don't get - Do I have to use 2 separate drivers, 1 for each spectrum?
 
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Zokko said:
Yo, dude @ilovereggae , I'm starting to lean towards the Bridgelux dual spec strips too, maybe 10 of these:

BXEB-TL-L0560Z-2750E2000-A-C3 Bridgelux | Optoelectronics | DigiKey

Order today, ships today. BXEB-TL-L0560Z-2750E2000-A-C3 – LED Lighting COBs Engines Modules LED Module series White, Warm / White, Cool Linear Light Strip from Bridgelux. Pricing and Availability on millions of electronic components from Digi-Key Electronics.
www.digikey.com www.digikey.com

One thing I don't get - Do I have to use 2 separate drivers, 1 for each spectrum?
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nice! FYI those ones are the 80cri version. higher lm/w but not quite as good a spectrum as the Thrive ones. but price is definitely really nice!

as for drivers, you have a couple options.

you can use one driver. if you wire each set of strips separately, you can easily make it so u can disconnect 1 channel or the other.. you could also add rocker switches to make it easier. this would give you a fixture w 3 settings: 2700k, 3700k mixed, or 5000k. you could add a dimmer to this as well.

or if you used 2 drivers, and had each on its own dimmer, you can get a super tuneable light and be able to adjust to whatever color temp you want bt 2700k-5000k.

the one thing to point out is, if you are going to run them at 1A per strip, in mixed mode u would be sending each channel 500ma. then if doing single color, you would send the full 1A to one of the rows.

in order to do this with 2 drivers, you will need to have double up in wattage. so instead of say one 240W driver that you just split current w rockers, you would need two 240W drivers. when running in mixed mode each one would only get turned up 50%. and if you wanted to run just say 2700k u would turn that up to 100% and disconnect the 5000k driver. if that makes sense. sorry still waking up and may not be at full brain power. I can sketch up an example if that would help explain better.
 
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ilovereggae said:
nice! FYI those ones are the 80cri version. higher lm/w but not quite as good a spectrum as the Thrive ones. but price is definitely really nice!

as for drivers, you have a couple options.

you can use one driver. if you wire each set of strips separately, you can easily make it so u can disconnect 1 channel or the other.. you could also add rocker switches to make it easier. this would give you a fixture w 3 settings: 2700k, 3700k mixed, or 5000k. you could add a dimmer to this as well.

or if you used 2 drivers, and had each on its own dimmer, you can get a super tuneable light and be able to adjust to whatever color temp you want bt 2700k-5000k.

the one thing to point out is, if you are going to run them at 1A per strip, in mixed mode u would be sending each channel 500ma. then if doing single color, you would send the full 1A to one of the rows.

in order to do this with 2 drivers, you will need to have double up in wattage. so instead of say one 240W driver that you just split current w rockers, you would need two 240W drivers. when running in mixed mode each one would only get turned up 50%. and if you wanted to run just say 2700k u would turn that up to 100% and disconnect the 5000k driver. if that makes sense. sorry still waking up and may not be at full brain power. I can sketch up an example if that would help explain better.
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I'm not an expert in electronics but I do have some knowledge. My concern is - the different chips 2700k and 5000k probably have slightly different resistance (ohm) which if true would cause the Chanel with slightly less resistance take more current, heat up more than the other and cause problems in both parallel and series wiring . I know that to be true for other systems like heaters but would it apply here?

Im thinking 2 drivers - 1 for for the warm sides 1 for the cold. That way I can have a really stepless tunable spectrum to play with, which probably makes the 80cri Vs 98cri difference less important.
I want to keep my plants short during the entire grow so that could help me give them enough blue to prevent stretching during flower.


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the one thing to point out is, if you are going to run them at 1A per strip, in mixed mode u would be sending each channel 500ma. then if doing single color, you would send the full 1A to one of the rows.
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It said I. The specs that the max current that the board can take is 2A. Doesn't that mean both channels can be run at 1A simultaneously? If not
 
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