Anyone ever used Kindsoil?
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Lordhooha
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That’s some potent stuff I’ve used it in the past
Baker783
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I used it for a total of 3 runs and it was bullsh*t. Complete waste of money. All the claims of "you only need to ph your water and itll take you through seed to flower" is a lie. By roughly week 7 your plant will show all sorts of deficiencies. Maybe i just got some bad batches, idk but i had better luck using fox farms nutrient line,and ocean forest soil. You MAY have some light burning early on but ffof will carry you to week 5 with only ph'd water easily depending on the strain.
Lordhooha
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It’s a good super soil for those that don’t know how to build. Did you do it like they outlined on their site? I didn’t nor do I ever ph my water in soil especially the soil I build. I use nothing but well water at that.
Baker783
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Followed their guidelines to a T. Multiple times. It just didnt work out for me. If it works for others though, I wont knock it.
WingAK
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Because you ph’d your water that’s why. The acids in ph up and down kill the microbes in the soil I have no idea why they recommend it. If you try again don’t ph and I’ll guarantee it will give you great results.
Baker783
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Eh. made the switch the hydro. Ive had better results than i did even when using proper soil. I only used organic ph + or - as it calls for nothing chemical to kill the microbial nutrients. Either way,dwc has given me results i never once saw in soil. Explosive growth once the root ball hits the water.
WingAK
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I’m thinking of Dwc myself just not sure where to start.
Johnny Lawrence
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False.
You don't add PH up or down directly to the soil.
PHing water just gets the acid/alkaline level where you need it to be. Please explain how PH balanced water kills beneficials.
WingAK
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technically you are right a very experienced grower that understands microbes and soil can ph their water but here is why most experienced organic or super soil growers say not to, for one the soil has created its own ph and when dumping ph water on your soil that doesn’t match your soils ph you will in fact kill off your microbes due to fast ph swings another reason is because when adding ph down to your water it is phosphoric acid that breaks down to become phosphorus and in a good soil you will have plenty of phosphorus and then your plant will start showing deficiencies that tend to look like low nitrogen then growers tend to start dumping nitrogen on their plant causing more issues and the list goes on. Most tap water is between 6.0-8.0 ph and that is absolutely fine for a good soil. So sure you can ph your water but there isn’t a point and it will end up causing problems that look like other problems.
Lordhooha
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Dr. Who
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For years and years. I have never pH'ed any organic soil run.....
You simply don't need to.
I eventually met the KIND soil guy...Not a bad sort....Used a cpl of his personal tips.
In the beginning, he wanted you to do a layering thing and recommended Sunshine mix #4 as the inert layer. Worked but, needed a boost late and not happy with results.
Now he wants you to do the above.. I found that (free samples - again) worked a bit better and used several soils in testing it. FFOF, FFHF, Potters Gold, Black Gold and my home built basic 30 days soil..
All seemed pretty much the same in the end but some had def's in the long run. Bet you can guess the first...FFOF had Ca and Mg issues but they faded till late. HF did ok but needed some minor organic liquid supplementing just about 5-6 weeks in...
Potters was on par with the OF but had less issues with Ca/Mg......Needed some minor help late.
Black Gold did the best mineral wise, right along with my Home made. Each, as expected, needed a little help late.
You have to remember that I run long. Kind is set up for a short speed run..My interpretation of that soil.. Matching it to a great base is what I feel the key is here.
I happened upon another bag of it and tried some of my old favorite Dr Earth's Home Grown Premium Soil (Formerly known as POTting soil but relabeled) This stuff is formulated for organic cannabis growing.....Makes a real nice base!
This worked the best in my eye's with the Black Gold and my personal just behind it....
Trying one thing and walking away if it didn't work. Simply means you need to dial it in....
Run your hydro all you want.. I have to do far less work. I get better taste and smell. I find it far easier to micro manage somethings in soil over hydro.
Now Hydro works and if it works for you,,,,good for you. "I" simply feel that soil, specially an organic soil run. Provides the best quality and the closest to "potentials" you can get..
Thing is, there is plenty of test's that back that up...
Do what works for you, and grow happy!
You simply don't need to.
I eventually met the KIND soil guy...Not a bad sort....Used a cpl of his personal tips.
In the beginning, he wanted you to do a layering thing and recommended Sunshine mix #4 as the inert layer. Worked but, needed a boost late and not happy with results.
Now he wants you to do the above.. I found that (free samples - again) worked a bit better and used several soils in testing it. FFOF, FFHF, Potters Gold, Black Gold and my home built basic 30 days soil..
All seemed pretty much the same in the end but some had def's in the long run. Bet you can guess the first...FFOF had Ca and Mg issues but they faded till late. HF did ok but needed some minor organic liquid supplementing just about 5-6 weeks in...
Potters was on par with the OF but had less issues with Ca/Mg......Needed some minor help late.
Black Gold did the best mineral wise, right along with my Home made. Each, as expected, needed a little help late.
You have to remember that I run long. Kind is set up for a short speed run..My interpretation of that soil.. Matching it to a great base is what I feel the key is here.
I happened upon another bag of it and tried some of my old favorite Dr Earth's Home Grown Premium Soil (Formerly known as POTting soil but relabeled) This stuff is formulated for organic cannabis growing.....Makes a real nice base!
This worked the best in my eye's with the Black Gold and my personal just behind it....
Trying one thing and walking away if it didn't work. Simply means you need to dial it in....
Run your hydro all you want.. I have to do far less work. I get better taste and smell. I find it far easier to micro manage somethings in soil over hydro.
Now Hydro works and if it works for you,,,,good for you. "I" simply feel that soil, specially an organic soil run. Provides the best quality and the closest to "potentials" you can get..
Thing is, there is plenty of test's that back that up...
Do what works for you, and grow happy!
WingAK
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I’m just glad to know they don’t recommend ph’ing water.
delacruz
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I copied my go to recipe i've used for years, Swampcracker had it posted on this site. It's easy to put together and I just water from start to finish. No nutes in the water with great results. The recipe is from Tom Hill, a long time respected humboldt grower and breeder. I would recommend giving it a try for one or two of your pots and see how it compares to your other medium. The recipe is large so I just use my math skills to bring it down to whatever size of grow I'm doing.
TwistItUp
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There seems to be mixed feeling about kind soil.
I think I'm going to go ahead and try it out.
The last time I grew out door was back in the summer of 2014.
Back then I used 10 gallon smart pots, I don't remember which soil I used but a quality soil.
I used pretty much the full line of FF nutes at the time.
The plants grew to about ten foot tall. Taller than my garage they were butted up to in a flower bed.
I started them early indoor from about February to April.
The plants were about three foot tall when I brought them outside.
I used RO water, and PH'ed everything and it was a pain in the ass.
I just want a break from doing hard work, so the water only is desirable.
I don't want to or plan on these plants growing into trees like that last grow.
This time around I'm growing more in the center of the back yard.
When I grow in the flower bed next to the garage the plants never grow on the back side.
They are flat on the backside and only grow on the front. So I think I can double my yield.
By growing in the center of the yard so they grow all the way around.
By chance anyone know about how long it takes for a order of kind soil to arrive?
I'm in California.
I think I'm going to go ahead and try it out.
The last time I grew out door was back in the summer of 2014.
Back then I used 10 gallon smart pots, I don't remember which soil I used but a quality soil.
I used pretty much the full line of FF nutes at the time.
The plants grew to about ten foot tall. Taller than my garage they were butted up to in a flower bed.
I started them early indoor from about February to April.
The plants were about three foot tall when I brought them outside.
I used RO water, and PH'ed everything and it was a pain in the ass.
I just want a break from doing hard work, so the water only is desirable.
I don't want to or plan on these plants growing into trees like that last grow.
This time around I'm growing more in the center of the back yard.
When I grow in the flower bed next to the garage the plants never grow on the back side.
They are flat on the backside and only grow on the front. So I think I can double my yield.
By growing in the center of the yard so they grow all the way around.
By chance anyone know about how long it takes for a order of kind soil to arrive?
I'm in California.
WingAK
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Do you start from seed or clone? I’ve always had to start from seed to get great results I get ok results if I clone a plant that I’ve grown myself in my soil but if I get a clone from a dispensary or friend it seems to have a ton of issues when I Transplant into my soil.
WingAK
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It’s all good.