charface
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So no aphid damaged half dead outdoor plant pics then?
Ants drinking plant Juice , what to do ?
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baxbax
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Yes I read it In RQS sites that suggest cinnamon , If I sprinkle it to top soil , this doesn't cause ph change or nutrient problem or any related problem with roots ph and soil when I water plants ?
Roger A. Shrubber
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thnx, i'm touched.....at least that's what grandma always said about me
baxbax
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It's only ecological pesticide I can find here beside insecticidal soap , but it's so expensive here , I share with you it's link , do you think it's worth it I buy it ? but look like it's systemic also , active ingredients :
the purified active ingredient of the seed kernels of the tropical Neem tree Azadirachta indica A. Juss
http://www.trifolio-m.de/portfolio/neemazal-ts-2/
the purified active ingredient of the seed kernels of the tropical Neem tree Azadirachta indica A. Juss
http://www.trifolio-m.de/portfolio/neemazal-ts-2/
baxbax
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you say I can spray thiamethoxam around plant ?
AZAMAX isn't same neem oil ?
baxbax
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I lost my all last year plants due to aphids ,
Roger A. Shrubber
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that's a decent product, but heres the thing about using pesticides in flower. most pesticides have at least a small translaminar effect, they penetrate the leaf surface, which means they can then be carried throughout the plant. most good pesticides will have a very short half life, measured in days or weeks at the most, so within two to four weeks of using them, they've been turned into inert ingredients.
if you use a pesticide in flower, the pesticides can travel to your buds, and you may or may not have time for them to dissipate.
they don't study the effect of burning most pesticides, because they aren't meant to be used on tobacco, which is about the only other crop meant to be smoked, on a large scale. so while i can say spinosad or neem or pyrethins are safe during veg, that doesn't mean the same thing in flower. i've never seen a study on the effects of breathing in the burning residue of any of them.......so i can't say anything is safe to use during flower...so i try my level best to have healthy plants before they ever hit the flower room
Roger A. Shrubber
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neem oil is pressed from neem seeds. it's a raw product, azamax is the stuff that's left after the pressing, they extract it with alcohol. so it's mostly like neem, but a little more concentrated as far as the active ingredients go
baxbax
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Is this product like azamax ?
charface
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I actually had a few this year along with leaf hoppers.
I applied compost tea and they both left. Could be a coincidence though
Roger A. Shrubber
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yes, i would feel alright using that during veg.
Indacouch
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Like Roger said it's basically the most concentrated form of neem I know of. However I find it doesn't last as long as just cold pressed neem oil on the plants. I always put a bit of actual oil with the aza and a drop of soap. Seems to make it stick on the plants much better imo. I use very little neem oil when I add it to the AZA. The oil leaves a residue I can visually see on my plants that the AZA does not. I've just gotten better results adding a bit of neem oil and a few drops of non antibacterial dawn soap to the AZA. I do rotate between that and Captain Jacks though. Some pests can actually get immune to sprays if it's all you use. I spray prevention twice a month during veg. When plants are in full swing it's nothing to have a foot of new growth or more inbetween sprays. I like the whole plant to be treated by the time flower hits. I would not spray neem oil during flower. Azamax says you can but I wouldn't personally. As far as ants go you can just spray some regular home and garden spray around the pots. I use the little ant motels as well. They have a spike that you stick in the grass and it's good for several months.They take the food back to the nest and it wipes out the whole thing.I put these around the perimeter of the green houses. Only issue is, ants are usually on plants for a reason. Their harvesting some kind of pest off your plants. If you've got internet you should be able to order pretty much anything.
GL
Roger A. Shrubber
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i agree, it may look like they're eating something directly off of your plant, but if you look under magification, i'll bet you'll see they're doing something else. they may be carrying it off somewhere, but they'll have farms full of aphids underground, that they feed and milk
Indacouch
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He needs to pay close attention when he waters. They will literally grab their shit and head up the plant. Good way to see if their living in the soil when you flood em. I've never seen em hurt plants in the ground except for having the nasty little fuckers all stuck in the bud come harvest. Trimming is bad enough without shit crawling all over you. I have seen giant colonies take over pots and ruin plants that way. I'm not sure what it is they do to ruin the plant. But I have seen giant nests in pots take out plants. In fact it's the most ants I've ever seen in one place in my entire life. They actually have the weirdest fucking smell when there's that many....almost chemical in a way. A friend had 6 plants all growing in medium sized plastic containers. He had seen the ants and put those little plastic bait stations at the bottoms by each stem. Well he said he had a lot when he watered. Long story short one plant got sick and the leafs were drying up twisting and getting crispy. So I was checking it for him and he was telling me the ants cover the plant when he waters. So he watered and OMG.... I've never in my life seen so many fucking ants. They literally covered the plant completely and were stacking up on top of each other. The plant looked alive. Not sure how they killed the plant. I'm thinking maybe they changed something in the soil from the shear volume. The nest smelled very chemical and off putting. I turned on the hot water directly from his water heater and boiled the fuckers. When we were done running the hot ass water through the medium the dead plant was in. There were piles of dead ants.
GROSS. We watered in some DE on all the others and sprayed the pots and surrounding area with this shit from Home Depot I've used forever. The rest made it to harvest with very little ant trouble. That one il never forget though. I've hated ants ever since.
baxbax
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I wish the chemicals was safe ,
going to :
1. spraying insecticidal soap every 3 days on veg stage ,
2. spraying neem oil concentrate every week veg and early flower,
3. sprinkling cinnamon to top layer of fabric pots and around of fabric pots ,
I can let plant dry out between watering , but the time I can keep top layer dry is too short and plants start wilting , I need water every day to prevent wilting
going to :
1. spraying insecticidal soap every 3 days on veg stage ,
2. spraying neem oil concentrate every week veg and early flower,
3. sprinkling cinnamon to top layer of fabric pots and around of fabric pots ,
I can let plant dry out between watering , but the time I can keep top layer dry is too short and plants start wilting , I need water every day to prevent wilting
