Another political rant

UncleSunny

Well-Known Member
I suppose that I am too much of an idealist. Here I am, some guy in some city, with a degree in Liberal Arts and a bad credit rating. I can read, and I'm kinda smart if you get me on the right day.

Now, I end up looking at the world through news sources and such, and I see an ever increasing change in our democracy into a flat out, unapologetic disgrace of Fascism and injustice. On one hand, there are the big guys. King George W. and his cronies openly BREAKING THE LAW, and obviously lying...see, this is what really gets me. In an era of recorded interviews kept on file, with an entire industry dedicated to listening to world leaders, you are just, too fucking stupid to be a policy maker if you don't realize that you can't get away with "no, I never said that." A journalist would be professionally destroyed if they questioned a particular statement which they had completely fabricated. Just picture it, "Excuse me Mr. President, but when you said 'eating Mexican babies is just something I do for fun; it's hunting the pregnant mother's that I really love'; were you excluding the hunting of non-Hispanic mothers?"
I know I'm being over the top to illustrate my point, but none the less, any person who has struggled through the ranks of journalism to the point where they can sit and ask the President questions is not going to say something that cannot be backed up. (unless you're Bill O'Reilly)
Saying, 'I didn't say that' when you have been recorded and broadcasted around the globe in the Information Age is proof enough that you are too stupid to lie, and therefore should not be a politician. We expect them to lie, but we expect them to be smart and careful enough not to get caught. Bald faced lies just illustrate the notion that these cowboys don't even respect us enough to try and hide it. Fuck you, we run the world, and if you disagree, you are a terrorist. Mr. Rumsfeld, how about, "yeah, I did say that, but we are humans, and just like you all, we did the best with the knowledge we had. We watched those towers fall just like the rest of you did, and in our human failings, we panicked and made a mistake."
Bingo. You now have something called 'character', and believe it or not, it goes much further in making peace than a Halliburton missile.
But the sad thing is the state of the opposition. Some hippie, standing outside a coffee shop with a petition to impeach Cheney??? Sorry there, Starshine, but you are even dumber than they are. In fact, much more incredibly so. To take the specific "impeach Cheney" line of garbage...do you people have any idea of how long a case like that would take to even prepare to bring to trial? What would that do? Rather than make Cheney run home crying, it would waste MORE of our money on some ridiculous trial that would be held up in appeals for the next 8 years. People like this seem to need some kind of symbolic gesture rather than a fixed issue. Let's block up traffic to protest immigration laws in some part of the city that INS policy makers wouldn't be in. Demanding that policies be put in place that would cripple our economy for the sake of some territorial bird, or else be a policy that policy makers cannot control. You can't force Americans to drive Hybrids or dismantle corporations because you think they aren't fair.
If we have learned anything from Iraq, it is that you cannot, with all the guns and bombs in the world, change a society that is not yours, unless of course you are willing to blast it into a sheet of glass. And you can't do that without great consequence; we're not the only boys on this street packing guns.
The same is true for America. Most activists live in a bubble of other activists, and anyone disagreeing is just a redneck. Transversely, "Rednecks" live in a bubble of their own kind. You cannot expect your agenda to be something that everyone can agree on. For as much as the hippies like to espouse that we are all one, we are not. I am very different than some housewife in Indiana or some broker on Wall Street. The perfect world for those folks would be a nightmarish hell for me.

My point is that I generally tend to shy away from politics because in all honesty, it boils down to screaming and expecting that a handful of people are going to change the world to the way we personally think it should be, and if they don't, it's because they are evil. Everybody thinks that they are right; that's why they think the way they do. George W. Bush really does believe he is doing the right thing. He really fears Socialized Medicine to the point that he will allow young children to go untreated. He recently vetoed a bill that would institute Universal Health care to children under a certain economic level, insisting rather that the "[uninsured] people should to talk with their doctors to come up with solutions." Too bad folks without insurance don't HAVE doctors.

He hates Socialism because that idea is the enemy of his entire world. Screw the fact that certain elements of Socialism are actually working in the real world. He talks about how it's a "'slippery slope' to a Communist Police State like they got over there in China," but I get the impression that we're already on that slope and he's steering the toboggan.
But that's just what I think, some guy in some city with some bullshit Liberal Arts degree. I don't even have a job right now. Americans today are caught in a swing between apathy and hopelessness, and it's only a matter of time before something breaks. The people running America now are running it on the assumption that we are still the world's Superpower, like it was when they were kids. The dollar has sunk down to the same value as the Canadian Loon (no disrespect intended, my Canadian friends), Our education is one of the lowest in the Western World, our manufacturing base is all but gone, and the war in Iraq, the one that the majority of people think we should get out of, is costing $10 million an hour, while public infrastructures are being undercut and New Orleans is still a mess.

The good news is he won't be around forever. Let me be very clear, I absolutely think that George W. Bush is the cornerstone of what is wrong with modern America. I absolutely hate him, and really, you know all those things you wouldn't wish on your worst enemy? For me that doesn't apply to King George. I hope he gets the full brunt of God's wrath, but I digress. The good news is that things will change. History is full of dictators and travesties, but they die, and really, the one thing we can do is make peace around us. I always say that the best way for a culture to take over the world is by being the best culture in the world and having others emulate you because they admire you. I guess I can't change policy, but I can control how I act in my daily life.
I'm having a hard time ending this, because there is no conclusion to what I'm talking about. If we all did what we thought was right, well, George would still be invading the world and people would still be screaming in Congress. I guess this is why I stay away from it, even though I know that doing just that is the biggest part of the problem.
 
I suppose that I am too much of an idealist. Here I am, some guy in some city, with a degree in Liberal Arts and a bad credit rating. I can read, and I'm kinda smart if you get me on the right day.

Now, I end up looking at the world through news sources and such, and I see an ever increasing change in our democracy into a flat out, unapologetic disgrace of Fascism and injustice. On one hand, there are the big guys. King George W. and his cronies openly BREAKING THE LAW, and obviously lying...see, this is what really gets me. In an era of recorded interviews kept on file, with an entire industry dedicated to listening to world leaders, you are just, too fucking stupid to be a policy maker if you don't realize that you can't get away with "no, I never said that." A journalist would be professionally destroyed if they questioned a particular statement which they had completely fabricated. Just picture it, "Excuse me Mr. President, but when you said 'eating Mexican babies is just something I do for fun; it's hunting the pregnant mother's that I really love'; were you excluding the hunting of non-Hispanic mothers?"
I know I'm being over the top to illustrate my point, but none the less, any person who has struggled through the ranks of journalism to the point where they can sit and ask the President questions is not going to say something that cannot be backed up. (unless you're Bill O'Reilly)
Saying, 'I didn't say that' when you have been recorded and broadcasted around the globe in the Information Age is proof enough that you are too stupid to lie, and therefore should not be a politician. We expect them to lie, but we expect them to be smart and careful enough not to get caught. Bald faced lies just illustrate the notion that these cowboys don't even respect us enough to try and hide it. Fuck you, we run the world, and if you disagree, you are a terrorist. Mr. Rumsfeld, how about, "yeah, I did say that, but we are humans, and just like you all, we did the best with the knowledge we had. We watched those towers fall just like the rest of you did, and in our human failings, we panicked and made a mistake."
Bingo. You now have something called 'character', and believe it or not, it goes much further in making peace than a Halliburton missile.
But the sad thing is the state of the opposition. Some hippie, standing outside a coffee shop with a petition to impeach Cheney??? Sorry there, Starshine, but you are even dumber than they are. In fact, much more incredibly so. To take the specific "impeach Cheney" line of garbage...do you people have any idea of how long a case like that would take to even prepare to bring to trial? What would that do? Rather than make Cheney run home crying, it would waste MORE of our money on some ridiculous trial that would be held up in appeals for the next 8 years. People like this seem to need some kind of symbolic gesture rather than a fixed issue. Let's block up traffic to protest immigration laws in some part of the city that INS policy makers wouldn't be in. Demanding that policies be put in place that would cripple our economy for the sake of some territorial bird, or else be a policy that policy makers cannot control. You can't force Americans to drive Hybrids or dismantle corporations because you think they aren't fair.
If we have learned anything from Iraq, it is that you cannot, with all the guns and bombs in the world, change a society that is not yours, unless of course you are willing to blast it into a sheet of glass. And you can't do that without great consequence; we're not the only boys on this street packing guns.
The same is true for America. Most activists live in a bubble of other activists, and anyone disagreeing is just a redneck. Transversely, "Rednecks" live in a bubble of their own kind. You cannot expect your agenda to be something that everyone can agree on. For as much as the hippies like to espouse that we are all one, we are not. I am very different than some housewife in Indiana or some broker on Wall Street. The perfect world for those folks would be a nightmarish hell for me.

My point is that I generally tend to shy away from politics because in all honesty, it boils down to screaming and expecting that a handful of people are going to change the world to the way we personally think it should be, and if they don't, it's because they are evil. Everybody thinks that they are right; that's why they think the way they do. George W. Bush really does believe he is doing the right thing. He really fears Socialized Medicine to the point that he will allow young children to go untreated. He recently vetoed a bill that would institute Universal Health care to children under a certain economic level, insisting rather that the "[uninsured] people should to talk with their doctors to come up with solutions." Too bad folks without insurance don't HAVE doctors.

He hates Socialism because that idea is the enemy of his entire world. Screw the fact that certain elements of Socialism are actually working in the real world. He talks about how it's a "'slippery slope' to a Communist Police State like they got over there in China," but I get the impression that we're already on that slope and he's steering the toboggan.
But that's just what I think, some guy in some city with some bullshit Liberal Arts degree. I don't even have a job right now. Americans today are caught in a swing between apathy and hopelessness, and it's only a matter of time before something breaks. The people running America now are running it on the assumption that we are still the world's Superpower, like it was when they were kids. The dollar has sunk down to the same value as the Canadian Loon (no disrespect intended, my Canadian friends), Our education is one of the lowest in the Western World, our manufacturing base is all but gone, and the war in Iraq, the one that the majority of people think we should get out of, is costing $10 million an hour, while public infrastructures are being undercut and New Orleans is still a mess.

The good news is he won't be around forever. Let me be very clear, I absolutely think that George W. Bush is the cornerstone of what is wrong with modern America. I absolutely hate him, and really, you know all those things you wouldn't wish on your worst enemy? For me that doesn't apply to King George. I hope he gets the full brunt of God's wrath, but I digress. The good news is that things will change. History is full of dictators and travesties, but they die, and really, the one thing we can do is make peace around us. I always say that the best way for a culture to take over the world is by being the best culture in the world and having others emulate you because they admire you. I guess I can't change policy, but I can control how I act in my daily life.
I'm having a hard time ending this, because there is no conclusion to what I'm talking about. If we all did what we thought was right, well, George would still be invading the world and people would still be screaming in Congress. I guess this is why I stay away from it, even though I know that doing just that is the biggest part of the problem.
Uncle Sunny, you have said my beliefs much better than I could express them. I feel the same way, but express my views with exasperation. I've been around long enough to see the trend and both parties are guilty, It's just this one in power doesn't care what the people think. If there were any caring, it was just exploded by bush's veto of the childrens medical bill. Now, even hard core Bushies must see the beast. All those Christian righties that voted for him must either be blind or really just a bunch of phonies. I'd go with phony. I've seen some 10 presidents and he is by far the worst, he makes Nixon look like Marry Poppins. There is a special place in hell for him and his cronies, he shouldn't be too glad to see armeghedden.
 
Youse guys are both wrong. The real problem is economic. Our dollars aint worth two hoots in hell! The serious devaluation of the greenback started with Nixon (some people would argue FDR) and has been in a steady slide ever since. Because of the monetary decline, our way of life has become subservent. This is a self imposed Fascism. If we stop buying everything on credit, stop buying silley trinkets, and (God forbid) save money in banks, we could get out of the hole. If we wanted to piss off the world and become a democratic republic again the solution is simple. Buy economy cars, drive the speed limit, get rid of illegal invaders and the price of oil will drop. A 5 percent decline in domestic consumption would result in at least a 10 percent reduction in price.

Then we would Americans again. To hell with the damn polititions!
 
Youse guys are both wrong. The real problem is economic. Our dollars aint worth two hoots in hell! The serious devaluation of the greenback started with Nixon (some people would argue FDR) and has been in a steady slide ever since. Because of the monetary decline, our way of life has become subservent. This is a self imposed Fascism. If we stop buying everything on credit, stop buying silley trinkets, and (God forbid) save money in banks, we could get out of the hole. If we wanted to piss off the world and become a democratic republic again the solution is simple. Buy economy cars, drive the speed limit, get rid of illegal invaders and the price of oil will drop. A 5 percent decline in domestic consumption would result in at least a 10 percent reduction in price.

Then we would Americans again. To hell with the damn polititions!
An oversimplefication if ever there were. I wish it were that simple, but there are way more variables than buying less trinkets on credit.
 
UncleSunny ...

That was a very well thought out piece ... and much appreciated.

I didn't vote for Bush either time, nor did I vote for his daddy. I didn't vote for any Democrats either as I consider both parties to be corrupt to the core. Its my belief that Hillary will get the Democrat nomination. If so, if elected president with her Stalinist views, she, along with a Democrat controlled House and Senate, will ratchet up government controls and taxes even further. The noose will get tighter before it gets looser. As long as there is plenty of food in the markets, gas is available (even at higher costs), and inflation is kept under double digits, Americans will continue to go along to get along. Let's face it, the average American is a real dolt when it comes to economics and politics. They are devoid of history, especially recent Eastern European history. Think of Jay Leno's "Man in The Street" interviews. What a joke!

Vi
 
UncleSunny ...

That was a very well thought out piece ... and much appreciated.

I didn't vote for Bush either time, nor did I vote for his daddy. I didn't vote for any Democrats either as I consider both parties to be corrupt to the core. Its my belief that Hillary will get the Democrat nomination. If so, if elected president with her Stalinist views, she, along with a Democrat controlled House and Senate, will ratchet up government controls and taxes even further. The noose will get tighter before it gets looser. As long as there is plenty of food in the markets, gas is available (even at higher costs), and inflation is kept under double digits, Americans will continue to go along to get along. Let's face it, the average American is a real dolt when it comes to economics and politics. They are devoid of history, especially recent Eastern European history. Think of Jay Leno's "Man in The Street" interviews. What a joke!

Vi
yeah, when I watch JayWalking, I think of you,~LOL~.
 
u people have the power to change your government i studied american politics in collage and u have more power as i see it than anyone i travel there 4 or more times a year would love to live in california but i cant get a green card
 
u people have the power to change your government i studied american politics in collage and u have more power as i see it than anyone i travel there 4 or more times a year would love to live in california but i cant get a green card

Green Card? You don't need no fooking Green Card! There's a guy named Jose' who lives in the rear of the barber shop down the street who has a printing press .... :blsmoke:

And you are right. We CAN change our government within one election cycle if we really wanted to. But the problem is, we each have our hands in another guy's pocket and can pick that pocket legally if we just keep the status quo. ~lol~

Vi
 
You are right! My view is simplistic. That is the beauty. We are enslaved by massive debt and a weak greenback. We the people regain control by not spending so much money. It is simple macroeconomics 101. The distance between a free republic and fascism is 5 percent of the crude oil sales. Reduce the dollar supply (M1) and dollar velocity and stability returns to America in all sectors. It's good sharing ideas with you sir.
 
UncleSunny ...

That was a very well thought out piece ... and much appreciated.

I didn't vote for Bush either time, nor did I vote for his daddy. I didn't vote for any Democrats either as I consider both parties to be corrupt to the core. Its my belief that Hillary will get the Democrat nomination. If so, if elected president with her Stalinist views, she, along with a Democrat controlled House and Senate, will ratchet up government controls and taxes even further. The noose will get tighter before it gets looser. As long as there is plenty of food in the markets, gas is available (even at higher costs), and inflation is kept under double digits, Americans will continue to go along to get along. Let's face it, the average American is a real dolt when it comes to economics and politics. They are devoid of history, especially recent Eastern European history. Think of Jay Leno's "Man in The Street" interviews. What a joke!

Vi
Thanks Vi...you aren't the easiest fella in the world to get praise from, from what I've seen, so I take that sincerely. And yeah, I do think the average person isn't very bright, but I like to give some benefit to them because who the fuck am I? I might crush out a mechanic in Trivial Pursuit, but if my car breaks down, this guy's brilliance would mean a hell of a lot more.
And I want to say that you are right, and have brought up a big point that i think I missed. Yes, I really despise George Bush...like more than I should...but I don't have an answer, and I really don't think it involves doing a pussy ass 180 and allowing ourselves to elect someone that "Isn't George." I really hate that America feels that if it can find a name to blame, the problem goes away. It doesn't go away. Thinking that 'reform'-plain and simple-constitutes the answer is being naive at best.

I can't say why I know this, due to the nature of this drug related forum, but I do have a good understanding as to what Hillary's medicine plan would do to this country. Now with what King George has done with vetoing the children's health care fund, and with the way the media WILL spin it, it will allow a backlash that will take an opposite approach. The new administration will be forced into socialized medicine, which will be executed in a hasty way, which will cripple the institution of medicine for a long, long while.
I promise I will write more on the insurance companies and why "Medicine" has to do something before the government or the angry mob turns on them. I just...can't say any more on that subject when I am this high. But thanks for the input, Vi.
 
Thanks Vi...you aren't the easiest fella in the world to get praise from, from what I've seen, so I take that sincerely. And yeah, I do think the average person isn't very bright, but I like to give some benefit to them because who the fuck am I? I might crush out a mechanic in Trivial Pursuit, but if my car breaks down, this guy's brilliance would mean a hell of a lot more.
And I want to say that you are right, and have brought up a big point that i think I missed. Yes, I really despise George Bush...like more than I should...but I don't have an answer, and I really don't think it involves doing a pussy ass 180 and allowing ourselves to elect someone that "Isn't George." I really hate that America feels that if it can find a name to blame, the problem goes away. It doesn't go away. Thinking that 'reform'-plain and simple-constitutes the answer is being naive at best.

I can't say why I know this, due to the nature of this drug related forum, but I do have a good understanding as to what Hillary's medicine plan would do to this country. Now with what King George has done with vetoing the children's health care fund, and with the way the media WILL spin it, it will allow a backlash that will take an opposite approach. The new administration will be forced into socialized medicine, which will be executed in a hasty way, which will cripple the institution of medicine for a long, long while.
I promise I will write more on the insurance companies and why "Medicine" has to do something before the government or the angry mob turns on them. I just...can't say any more on that subject when I am this high. But thanks for the input, Vi.
Hey Sunny, already put forth the answer. Get rid Of the FBI, CIA, NSA, DEA, IRS and a myriad of other unnecessary government entities and Medical would be easy, Call it the FGC, (Feel good connection).
 
Hey Sunny, already put forth the answer. Get rid Of the FBI, CIA, NSA, DEA, IRS and a myriad of other unnecessary government entities and Medical would be easy, Call it the FGC, (Feel good connection).
Honestly, man, I agree. I once wrote a blog where I invented the DWPist party--the department of water and power may be a huge bureaucracy and not really give a shit about you, but dammit, you'd better be alive and have a job to pay those bills. They don't care if your Muslim or Christian, gay or straight, a pot smoker or just someone that should be smoking it. The DWP would be more interested in things "working" rather than working for the Lord or the insurance companies.
Just lump them into one organization. I mean, the issue of medical access for people is a matter of infrastructure (that's a big word with me); the public health needs to be seen as a matter that affects all of us. One part of the system is down; for the network to work, it all has to run smoothly. I know that the real outcome of this idea is straight up Communism, and I am not a Communist because I am a realist when it comes to most of my (and other's) hairbrained ideas.
One hairbrained idea though that I am really cynical about is that wealthy people make policy concerning a reality they know nothing about. Do you think folks like George Bush look at price tags when they shop? I'll be honest with you, I spent the first 33 years of my life under the poverty level, but recently I married the girl of my dreams, who just happens to now make a good deal of money. (she wasn't making it when I proposed, so I ain't a gold digger, just lucky) Now, when I go to the grocery store, I really don't look at how much the food costs, not like I used to when I had to dig in the couch cushions to eat.
I'm saying this because when you can spend $200 at a grocery store, you don't care that there is a generic product you can buy that will save you 27 cents. How much more apathetic towards numbers could you be when you spend $10 million an hour on war supplies? When you sign bills for billions of dollars and sit down at campaign dinners at $5000 a plate?
You forget that $15,000 or less is what many people have to live on for the year, and that $15,000 (or whatever amount) doesn't register with you. They never see poor folks faces unless they are handing them their keys to park the car or upset that the floorboards weren't properly cleaned.
They forget that by denying little Tiny Tim medical access, they are exposing the country to epidemics that don't discriminate over social classes. Some flu bug could thrive in a poor community, mutate and then spread to my neighborhood, or worse, to George's country club...what then? I mean, isn't helping others who surround us ultimately a self serving task? Keeping the nation strong and healthy. I understand that there are limits, and money need be made, but we can find the money, just like the White house is finding the money to "rebuild" Iraq.
 
Med ...

Aren't you going against your principles in suggesting we get rid of the IRS? I'd be interested to know what tax system you'd use to pay for socialized medicine.

Sunny ...

Have you ever read any of Hillary's "Hillary Care" program that she tried to foist upon the citizens during her husband's administration? Really scary stuff. I mean prison terms and mega-thousand dollar fines for just privately cutting a deal with one's doctor. Kinda like it was in Communist Romania.

Vi
 
Sunny ...

Have you ever read any of Hillary's "Hillary Care" program that she tried to foist upon the citizens during her husband's administration? Really scary stuff. I mean prison terms and mega-thousand dollar fines for just privately cutting a deal with one's doctor. Kinda like it was in Communist Romania.

Vi

Yeah, Vi, I am not an expert on Hill Dog's universal health care debacle but from the bits I've read and the debate I've seen, it wasn't very realistic. She has been quoted as saying, as well as Bill saying on the Daily Show, that it was the biggest blunder of her career.
Now, I haven't decided who to vote for yet, but honestly, failure shouldn't be a slammed door on a career in policy making, although if it was, my boyfriend George W wouldn't be here. The real issue we should be asking is "will doctors, hospitals and HMO's be willing to take a pay cut for the common good?" The FDA recently asked for an extra $10 Mil in funding, but have given out almost $8Mil in bonuses for their executive management, to keep 'good people' and "prevent them from going to the private sector."
Think about it. We need good doctors, unfortunately, good doctors want to be rich doctors. Hospital administrators are NOT required to be doctors (although some are) and their main priority is to make money, not help the sick.
What would solve the problem is if Pharmaceutical companies were willing to have their execs work for $50g a year, if doctors had a salary cap of $80G, and medical equipment didn't run into the millions.
But then the admin. assistants and nurses would sink below a certain level, medical schools would be stripped bare and new drugs wouldn't be researched.
Hey, let's force insurance companies to run on a non-profit basis. Yeah, all the money would go to creative accountants, I know, which is why the problem isn't good leadership. It's greed, as has been stated. If a cardiologist made as much as a General Practitioner, you'd be shit outta luck if your ticker was screwed. No body would be a specialist. Greed makes the world progress, as ugly as that may sound to some.
But as for Universal Health Care, it does work in some countries, but once America takes a look at their taxes after the first year of it, they are going to quickly forget the poor suffering kids, saying why should I have to pay for medicine when I ain't even sick?
 
Sunny ...

Have you ever read any of Hillary's "Hillary Care" program that she tried to foist upon the citizens during her husband's administration? Really scary stuff. I mean prison terms and mega-thousand dollar fines for just privately cutting a deal with one's doctor. Kinda like it was in Communist Romania.

Vi

Yeah, Vi, I am not an expert on Hill Dog's universal health care debacle but from the bits I've read and the debate I've seen, it wasn't very realistic. She has been quoted as saying, as well as Bill saying on the Daily Show, that it was the biggest blunder of her career.
Now, I haven't decided who to vote for yet, but honestly, failure shouldn't be a slammed door on a career in policy making, although if it was, my boyfriend George W wouldn't be here. The real issue we should be asking is "will doctors, hospitals and HMO's be willing to take a pay cut for the common good?" The FDA recently asked for an extra $10 Mil in funding, but have given out almost $8Mil in bonuses for their executive management, to keep 'good people' and "prevent them from going to the private sector." Think about it. We need good doctors, unfortunately, good doctors want to be rich doctors. Hospital administrators are NOT required to be doctors (although some are) and their main priority is to make money, not help the sick.
What would solve the problem is if Pharmaceutical companies were willing to have their execs work for $50g a year, if doctors had a salary cap of $80G, and medical equipment didn't run into the millions.
But then the admin. assistants and nurses would sink below a certain level, medical schools would be stripped bare and new drugs wouldn't be researched.
Hey, let's force insurance companies to run on a non-profit basis. Yeah, all the money would go to creative accountants, I know, which is why the problem isn't good leadership. It's greed, as has been stated. If a cardiologist made as much as a General Practitioner, you'd be shit outta luck if your ticker was screwed. No body would be a specialist. Greed makes the world progress, as ugly as that may sound to some.
But as for Universal Health Care, it does work in some countries, but once America takes a look at their taxes after the first year of it, they are going to quickly forget the poor suffering kids, saying why should I have to pay for medicine when I ain't even sick?
I'm not sure they would. Taxes would be based on income, so the poor would pay a lot less. the rich and mega-rich would be hollering the loudest, just like they do now about income tax, even after Dubya gave them the biggest tax break ever. The greed factor increases exponentially as your income goes up. The richest pricks are usually the tightest assholes, there are some examples on this site.
 
I'm not sure they would. Taxes would be based on income, so the poor would pay a lot less. the rich and mega-rich would be hollering the loudest, just like they do now about income tax, even after Dubya gave them the biggest tax break ever. The greed factor increases exponentially as your income goes up. The richest pricks are usually the tightest assholes, there are some examples on this site.

Really, what I think Medicine man, (I'm baked, bro, so forgive me if I make an ass out of myself) is that the "Solution" isn't about government and policy. Now, please take into consideration before I say this, that I am sure that America cannot revert to a simpler lifestyle...well, we won't, so fuck anyone that tries to take away my iPod, fast cars, or titties on T.V.. I can't even say that I wish we would but...
I like the my modern conveniences (one of which I'm using to talk to you) , but I understand how I came to inherit it, and I'm scared of the power behind it all.

So, I think the actual solution is for Americans to not feel so fucking entitled to the luxuries we were born into. We'd rather be the CEO of a failing company who gives himself a raise rather than the guy that mortgages his house to save his company.
I need to point out in order to stay consistent that I don't have a problem with one guy having more than the next. But a Million Dollars doesn't have the same punch in your ear that it did when you were a kid, does it? Shit, ten dollars was a treasure to me, and I was a kid in the Seventies, but back then, a Billionaire who made all HER money in a few years by writing some kid wizard books??? Not even dumb ass fantasy.
It's a catch 22. If you got rid of all the rich folks, who would hire you? Money's gotta come from somewhere, and the reason rich people are rich is because they can hold on to their money by fucking poor folks in the ass.
Just like the way it's always been. Where else is all that loot gonna go?
 
Sunny sez ...

"It's a catch 22. If you got rid of all the rich folks, who would hire you? Money's gotta come from somewhere, and the reason rich people are rich is because they can hold on to their money by fucking poor folks in the ass."

Gotta disagree with you on this Sunny. The reason most rich people are rich is because they've worked 60-80 hours a week for most of their lives, put off impulse buys, invested wisely and helped others to get what THEY want. There's an old adage: Help enough people get what they want, and you'll get what you want in return. The money doesn't come first ... the "helping" does.

Vi
 
Gotta disagree with you on this Sunny. The reason most rich people are rich is because they've worked 60-80 hours a week for most of their lives, put off impulse buys, invested wisely and helped others to get what THEY want. There's an old adage: Help enough people get what they want, and you'll get what you want in return. The money doesn't come first ... the "helping" does.

Vi

You are right, Vi, and I was just making a joke...Rich people and the French are the only folks you can get away with picking on these days it seems. I'm actually kinda well off myself to be honest, and the money comes from being educated and doing hard work; and trying not to spend it all on weed. That's the tough part.
I will say that there is still some truth to my joke...being in real estate, I'm sure you have seen your fair share of people paying for a value that isn't there. Landlords not keeping the building up to code but charging ridiculous rates, people not complying with full disclosure and a tricky contract here and there. There are sharks, but I would say that most of the sharks don't swim for very long unless they are super smart. I'm not going to try to pretend I understand the world, and a man's morality is a question of personal judgment, not mine to make. But I think people should be watched and called on over business ethics (and they are). The joke wasn't geared to the Computer Engineer who worked his or her whole life to give their family something more, it was more geared on those people's kids who don't give a shit about people and just do whatever it takes to make money without working for it, because they feel entitled.

I walk a slippery slope trying to sound smart around you guys. I'm just glad we're ALL high--lol--


 
Hey, you're smart enough for sure Sunny.

I've been in the RE business for many, many moons ... and I've seen them come and I've seen them go. The sharks and unethical ones can't survive in the residential resale end of the business because we are so dependent upon the other Realtors selling our listings through the local Multiple Listing Services. Once the word gets out about dishonest, unethical agents, they have to sell all of their listings themselves. That's an impossible task ... so if they are lucky enough not to get sued, they drop out of the business.

On the "rich" guys: I have clients who have really made it big. With very few exceptions, they have done exactly what you have done:

"and the money comes from being educated and doing hard work; and trying not to spend it all on weed. That's the tough part."

And by the way ... why are you spending money on weed? A simple little grow would supply you with enough quality weed that you would never have to buy again. If you need help let me know. If you haven't grown before, I have a very simple hydrophonic method for newbies and I'd be happy to describe it for you.

Vi
 
And by the way ... why are you spending money on weed? A simple little grow would supply you with enough quality weed that you would never have to buy again. If you need help let me know. If you haven't grown before, I have a very simple hydrophonic method for newbies and I'd be happy to describe it for you.

Vi

Well, I wasn't spending money on weed, had great success with growing and harvesting a wonderful Sour Diesel plant my wife and I named "Sunny D." (fact, that's her in the pic) Right when I was harvesting, I had 6 more plants growing in different stages out on the patio, but a mix of improperly balanced Miracle Grow and a very hot day killed all of my plants in one afternoon. Right now I have one Bubble Gum Indica flowering and a really good looking Jack Heurer Sativa almost done vegging. The main problem is that my wife and I have been "planning" to move soon for a while, so any complicated grow set up really isn't something I want to invest in until we move.
Actually, Vi, I'd love advice on buying my first home-we are thinking about it, but both of our credit is crap.
 
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