smoke the tires
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Back in Iraq. correct me if i'm wrong, but haven't we been over there in their business since the early 90's. When are we gonna be done?
another middle eastern conflict
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ElfoodStampo
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When their oil runs out.
Then we won't give a shit.
Then we won't give a shit.
SmokeyDan
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When their oil runs out, even they won't give a shit.
Fact is there isn't one thing on this planet worth fighting for more than oil.
It grows our food, makes our medicines, and gets all things to our market and into our homes.
Life would not be possible with out oil, it is just as important as electricity, perhaps more so.
Fact is there isn't one thing on this planet worth fighting for more than oil.
It grows our food, makes our medicines, and gets all things to our market and into our homes.
Life would not be possible with out oil, it is just as important as electricity, perhaps more so.
ElfoodStampo
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Oil is about the last thing I would fight for.I think fresh water is going to be worth more than oil someday.
We did all right before oil. Other technology will be released that will take its place when it's gone.
Maybe we'll go back to providing for ourselves.
SmokeyDan
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So when you stop using oil are you going to ride unicorns?
Those things will come true, but it will be decades if not hundreds of years.
I'm the mean time, we're too used to it to go back.
Think of life in 1910, would you want to go back?
Because without oil I don't know that we're even in the 20th century anymore.
Alternatives should be prioritized, but they're no where near ready.
ElfoodStampo
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how about a bicycle, or a horse, or walk!
yea life will be different. I don't think its such a bad thing though.
reasonevangelist
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I agree, we ("they") could indeed replace oil with known available alternatives. It's actually not necessary at this point, aside from the fact that those already so heavily invested in it, need to keep manufacturing demand for their supply, or they'll lose both their fortunes and their power.
SmokeyDan
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I was talking to a guy who drove a Tesla S (I think that's it) the other day. If he babies the car, he can get 200 miles.
It takes him a significant time to recharge it.
And it's 90k for a car that would otherwise cost 50k at most.
Any alternative technology is inferior in performance and costs a hell of a lot more. Tesla gets massive subsidies. That car would be 150k without it.
And torque isn't there. That electronic motor might be ok in a personal vehicle, but heavy machinery and transport are a no go.
Not to mention pharmaceutical and agricultural output. Most medicines and all fertilization are directly depending on petroleum.
If you cut out petroleum tomorrow, billions would die, everyone else would live like the did 200 years ago.
No more produce in winter.
Wrong, electric motors have the most torque, ALL modern trains use DC electric motors to provide all that pulling power to move 20,000 tons of material across the country, not a single one uses anything else.
Transport is definitely a go with electric, has been for many many years now.
SmokeyDan
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Not in the overgrown golf cart motor under the hood of a tesla.
Your talking about a hybrid, diesel electric.
I'm talking about battery powered.
A specific kind of electric.
But does a diesel electric make its way into a discussion on how to end oil use?
You can give them torque, but you'll run down that battery quick.
Rob Roy
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Times of no weed would be worse than times of no oil. Ever try to get high staring at a case of Texaco 10-40? No, I didn't think so.
SmokeyDan
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I get that you are correct and probably know more about this than I do.
The entire point of the conversation is replacing oil. That means battery power. Battery power wouldn't do for commercial use. I wasn't considering any other form of electric motor, though my words didn't reflect that.
Thanks for clearing up the verbiage to make more sense.
A truck hauling a load would deplete the battery quick.
reasonevangelist
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idk 'bout that.
Consider the extended consequences of an oil-dependent global infrastructure, suddenly having no more oil. There would be absolute chaos.
The mythical thorium plasma battery the size of a 2 ton AC unit could power an 18 wheeler to 500,000 miles or more on a single charge.
There have been quite a few very intelligent people that have verified the existence of near limitless energy, have come up with working designs, and have been either disappeared, demonized or mysteriously died. MIT professors, famous inventors that changed the world and others from differing walks of life are among those counted.
The oil business is BIG business with a lot of money at stake. Hundreds of Trillions of dollars worth.
Johnny Retro
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its cute that you guys think its still about oil
SmokeyDan
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I know there are stories like that out there.
Some guy invents something and it makes cars get hundreds of miles to the gallon or things like you just mentioned.
It would be a revolution in the energy world.
It would also make billions or trillions for the companies that develop it and takes it to market.
I would think Exxon would offer the guy a fortune for his invention or research instead of killing him and risking BP or another eventually found it.
I think the reality is those things don't exist.
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