Americans Maintain a Positive View of Bernie Sanders

Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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  • 53% view the Vermont senator favorably, 38% unfavorably
  • Nearly four in five Democrats have a positive view of Sanders


In Gallup's most recent poll, conducted Sept. 4-12, Sanders has a much more favorable image than either of the other major contenders in the 2016 presidential election -- Hillary Clinton (36%) and President Donald Trump (41%).

Since the election, Sanders has gone on to use his political pulpit to champion progressive causes, including calling on McDonald's and Amazon to raise their minimum wages to $15, pushing for procedural changes in the Democratic Party's nomination process, introducing a bill to break up large banks and continuing to push for "Medicare for all" healthcare legislation.

After Sanders' advocacy of progressive views on the campaign trail and in the two years since, Gallup recently found that Democrats now view socialism more favorably than they do capitalism. However, given Republicans' low positive ratings of socialism, Americans overall remain negative in their views of socialism.



Bottom Line

Bernie Sanders' positive image remains similar to what it was when his presidential campaign ended, and it's arguable that his message has taken on greater meaning for many Democrats during the Trump presidency as they search for leadership while out of power.

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UncleBuck

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Padawanbater2 said:
  • 53% view the Vermont senator favorably, 38% unfavorably
  • Nearly four in five Democrats have a positive view of Sanders


In Gallup's most recent poll, conducted Sept. 4-12, Sanders has a much more favorable image than either of the other major contenders in the 2016 presidential election -- Hillary Clinton (36%) and President Donald Trump (41%).

Since the election, Sanders has gone on to use his political pulpit to champion progressive causes, including calling on McDonald's and Amazon to raise their minimum wages to $15, pushing for procedural changes in the Democratic Party's nomination process, introducing a bill to break up large banks and continuing to push for "Medicare for all" healthcare legislation.

After Sanders' advocacy of progressive views on the campaign trail and in the two years since, Gallup recently found that Democrats now view socialism more favorably than they do capitalism. However, given Republicans' low positive ratings of socialism, Americans overall remain negative in their views of socialism.



Bottom Line

Bernie Sanders' positive image remains similar to what it was when his presidential campaign ended, and it's arguable that his message has taken on greater meaning for many Democrats during the Trump presidency as they search for leadership while out of power.

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Still trails in the polls to Biden and sometimes clinton
 
abandonconflict

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He's not really better or worse than any other random politician. I have no particular problem with him in that regard. He's ok I guess. My problem is with his mouth-breathing acolytes who behave like a cult and vaunt him as some kind of sinless messiah. He's never actually accomplished anything positive though, aside from getting some US post offices renamed.
 
abandonconflict

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1 in 8 Sanders supporters voted for Trump according to one study, which included 8 thousand voters and excluded those who could not be verified as having definitely voted for Sanders in the primary and Trump in the general.
 
Padawanbater2

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abandonconflict said:
He's not really better or worse than any other random politician. I have no particular problem with him in that regard. He's ok I guess. My problem is with his mouth-breathing acolytes who behave like a cult and vaunt him as some kind of sinless messiah. He's never actually accomplished anything positive though, aside from getting some US post offices renamed.
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Right, that's the new talking point; "Nothing wrong with Sanders, I actually agree with him, it's his supporters that I don't like, so I don't support him"

If that's the case, good. If you don't support Sanders because you get too offended by what some of his supporters say, you tacitly support the Republican party. You've harped on the past three years about protesters getting arrested outside his office and his vote to fund the troops in the wars. You don't get to levy this false claim that you don't support him because of us. You don't support him and you never have, and it isn't because of anything anyone here has said. You don't support Sanders because you're not actually progressive. Sanders is by far the most progressive sitting Senator. That's also why he's the most popular. Because most Americans are progressive when it comes to policy.

Never accomplished anything positive? He just got 350,000 American workers at Amazon a raise. He got McDonalds to raise their minimum wage. He's responsible for putting universal healthcare in the spotlight and why now more than 70% of Americans support it, including 51% of Republicans. He's why a blue tsunami is coming in November and why 24 progressive candidates have won their elections against more conservative primary opponents, even in red districts Trump won in 2016.
 
abandonconflict

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Padawanbater2 said:
Never accomplished anything positive? He just got 350,000 American workers at Amazon a raise. He got McDonalds to raise their minimum wage. He's responsible for putting universal healthcare in the spotlight and why now more than 70% of Americans support it, including 51% of Republicans. He's why a blue tsunami is coming in November and why 24 progressive candidates have won their elections against more conservative primary opponents, even in red districts Trump won in 2016.
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I meant true things, not things that you choose to believe based on cultishness. It's actually reprehensible and absurd to think he invented activism and was the originator of movements that have been struggling continuously for labor rights for generations. Just because he inspired you doesn't mean he deserves any credit for any of that. In fact, those movements would be in exactly the same state they are in, had he never grown out of writing rape fantasy fiction.

He is not the CEO of Amazon or MacDonald's and he wrote or passed no legislation regarding what they pay workers. His messy healthcare bill is sloppy and even Hillary Clinton did more to inspire that movement as the First Lady. It's convenient that you would begin with "yeah but you agree with him" when those are literally the most universal ideas among opponents of the GOP for which the public has fought for, as I said in my earlier understatement, generations.

Bernie has added nothing of value, he has simply sided with history.
 
Padawanbater2

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abandonconflict said:
I meant true things, not things that you choose to believe based on cultishness. It's actually reprehensible and absurd to think he invented activism and was the originator of movements that have been struggling continuously for labor rights for generations. Just because he inspired you doesn't mean he deserves any credit for any of that. In fact, those movements would be in exactly the same state they are in, had he never grown out of writing rape fantasy fiction.

He is not the CEO of Amazon or MacDonald's and he wrote or passed no legislation regarding what they pay workers. His messy healthcare bill is sloppy and even Hillary Clinton did more to inspire that movement as the First Lady. It's convenient that you would begin with "yeah but you agree with him" when those are literally the most universal ideas among opponents of the GOP for which the public has fought for, as I said in my earlier understatement, generations.

Bernie has added nothing of value, he has simply sided with history.
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Members of the labor movement who have been fighting for raising the minimum wage for years have publicly expressed their gratitude for Sanders; Sanders himself has publicly acknowledged the hard work put in by thousands of people over decades that helped get American workers higher wages. You are trying to fabricate some kind of imaginary divide between the two when the reality is they both work in tandem and rely on each other to accomplish goals. If Sanders didn't deserve any credit for it, the labor movement wouldn't have acknowledged him.

He introduced the "Stop BEZOS Act", dummy. He did that and Jeff Bezos raised their wages immediately after.. I don't understand how you can say Sanders had nothing to do with it.. It's denial at this point because Sanders actually got something done with a Republican controlled congress and Republican president. He got shit done when the likes of you said he couldn't and still says he never has. That's why you can't admit it when everyone else, including all the American voters, can see the truth.
 
abandonconflict

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Padawanbater2 said:
He introduced the "Stop BEZOS Act"
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No he didn't. He proposed it, dummy. Meanwhile Trump was tweeting all kinds of nonsense. Still Jeff Bezos broke no labor laws, nor did Amazon (at least in regards to wages on a large scale) of which Bezos only owns 16%. He also owns The Washington Post and a bunch of other shit.
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As you can see, he's diversified as fuck.

On the other hand, raising wages, even significantly could actually save the company money by reducing turnover, which affects training costs, recruiting costs and safety in a job market with such low unemployment numbers. Higher wages is also proven to correlate with greater productivity.

We've been over this, Bernard didn't give those people a raise. Jeff Bezos didn't even give them a raise. Amazon did. Amazon executives only went above legal requirements because it will benefit share holders. You simply choose to give Bernard credit because you're a cultist who is absolutely desperate to keep your messiah relevant.

Stop making people repeat sound refutations to your nonsense. it's the worst form of spam and it's annoying. You're wrong.
 
Padawanbater2

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abandonconflict said:
Amazon executives only went above legal requirements because it will benefit share holders.
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It will only benefit shareholders to go above legal requirements because of the pressure put on them by Sanders, and union groups

If they didn't, they would lose money

They know this, you don't..

I guess it's just a really weird coincidence Amazon chose to increase wages at the exact same time Sanders had been putting specific pressure on them for months.. didn't have anything to do with him, though!
 
abandonconflict

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I'm going to renew my Prime membership. For a hundred bucks a year I get access to a decent catalog of books, movies and shows. Also, the free shipping will come in handy when I head back to California next week to get me some micro four thirds lenses and herbal supplements.
Padawanbater2 said:
It will only benefit shareholders to go above legal requirements because of the pressure put on them by Sanders, and union groups

If they didn't, they would lose money

They know this, you don't..

I guess it's just a really weird coincidence Amazon chose to increase wages at the exact same time Sanders had been putting specific pressure on them for months.. didn't have anything to do with him, though!
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But Bernie didn't even pay his campaign staffers $15 per hour.
 
Fogdog

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Padawanbater2 said:
It will only benefit shareholders to go above legal requirements because of the pressure put on them by Sanders, and union groups

If they didn't, they would lose money

They know this, you don't..

I guess it's just a really weird coincidence Amazon chose to increase wages at the exact same time Sanders had been putting specific pressure on them for months.. didn't have anything to do with him, though!
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I'm not arguing here, just pointing out that: exact same time Sanders had been putting specific pressure on them for months.. is an oxymoron
 
Fogdog

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Padawanbater2 said:
  • 53% view the Vermont senator favorably, 38% unfavorably
  • Nearly four in five Democrats have a positive view of Sanders


In Gallup's most recent poll, conducted Sept. 4-12, Sanders has a much more favorable image than either of the other major contenders in the 2016 presidential election -- Hillary Clinton (36%) and President Donald Trump (41%).

Since the election, Sanders has gone on to use his political pulpit to champion progressive causes, including calling on McDonald's and Amazon to raise their minimum wages to $15, pushing for procedural changes in the Democratic Party's nomination process, introducing a bill to break up large banks and continuing to push for "Medicare for all" healthcare legislation.

After Sanders' advocacy of progressive views on the campaign trail and in the two years since, Gallup recently found that Democrats now view socialism more favorably than they do capitalism. However, given Republicans' low positive ratings of socialism, Americans overall remain negative in their views of socialism.



Bottom Line

Bernie Sanders' positive image remains similar to what it was when his presidential campaign ended, and it's arguable that his message has taken on greater meaning for many Democrats during the Trump presidency as they search for leadership while out of power.

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The only poll that matters is an election poll.
 
Unclebaldrick

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Padawanbater2 said:
Got a source more recent than Oct 5? More than half the country approves of Sanders. Does more than half the country approve of Clinton or Biden? It would be interesting to review their numbers, too
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October 5 was five days ago.

You seem more and more desperate.

Seeing that 39 of 41 candidates endorsed by the DCCC won, I don't blame you. But take comfort in the 2 that didn't.
 
TacoMac

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Bernie's an OK guy. He's not fantastic, he's not horrible, he's just a run-of-the-mill politician.

The worst thing about Bernie are his idiot fanboys. They remind me of the tea party idiots that are so extreme they'd rather see their party's ideas and philosophies fail because "their guy" wasn't chosen than to see them succeed with the person that was selected by popular vote.

They're the worst sort of arrogant, narcissistic pricks.
 
blu3bird

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I remember a night at the bar back in December 2016, it was bitter cold as f*ck outside. I was leaving and there were these young millenials outside by the door smoking cigarettes, I overheard them lamenting about Bernie being robbed of the nomination and I remember how cold it was, it was so cold the Bernie boys had their hands in their own pockets lol
 
TacoMac

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abandonconflict said:
Amazon executives only went above legal requirements because it will benefit share holders.
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Patently false and complete bullshit.

They did it to get rid of the really bad press. Their stock plummeted for four days straight losing over 150 dollars per share in value. Then of course they cut all bonuses for those same employees, cut benefits and cut stock options and 401k contributions and that helped stabilize the stock. At present it's down only 110 dollars per share over the last week.

abandonconflict said:
I'm going to renew my Prime membership. For a hundred bucks a year I get access to a decent catalog of books, movies and shows. Also, the free shipping will come in handy when I head back to California next week to get me some micro four thirds lenses and herbal supplements.

But Bernie didn't even pay his campaign staffers $15 per hour.
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Prime lost any appeal it had 2 years ago. Their movie and show catalog hasn't improved at all over the last year and a half. Also, Amazon has taken on so many vendors outside the U.S., over 60% of the items you see aren't even available for Prime shipping.

What's more, Prime shipping is no longer guaranteed at all.

It's why my wife and I cancelled ours. There's no value at all in it anymore.
 
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