America Is a Failed State

ttystikk

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https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-u-s-is-a-failed-state/5630070

This article is full of links to supporting evidence for each assertion it makes supporting the central thesis that America is a Failed State, no longer responsive to the well being, needs or desires of the vast majority of its Citizens and wildly, murderously out of control in terms of its behavior on the international stage.

While I might have a few quibbles with one or two of the underlying documents or assertions made, in general I completely agree with the article's main conclusions.

The United States has failed; it has failed its allies, its neighbors, its citizens, the environment and its future.

When something cannot go on indefinitely, it won't. Will we be able to arrest and reverse these trends or are we as a nation doomed?

I think it's possible. I think it is by no means certain. We're a long ways behind the 8-ball by now and we're going to need to run the table if we want to win. Winning means nothing less than a secure future not only for ourselves but for our children and their children. Those who think they can utilize their connections, power or wealth to avoid the consequences of this failure are on a fool's errand; we're all in this together and none of us can survive on our own.

I'm absolutely confident that those who seek to gain advantage by sowing hatred and division make that very recovery far less certain and more difficult to achieve. Such people aren't likely to respond to reason, so they must instead be held accountable and ostracized.

@UncleBuck, I'm talking to you, among others here. The choice is yours. While I think your underlying motives are mostly positive, your tactics stand in diametric opposition to their advancement. I certainly understand your frustrations, yet your hostility and willingness to stoop to any expedient to silence or drive others away is backfiring and only strengthens and legitimizes the very extremism of those you oppose. You'll never get anything built if you spend all your time knocking things and people down.

It's time to stop hating and start building bridges of consensus, issue by issue, coalition by coalition- or all will be lost. Gaming, blaming and shaming won't do it. Only genuine dialogue with those on the other side of the many issues dividing our people stands any realistic chance of abetting the coming disaster. That takes patience, compassion and lots of self control.

Such societal collapse has happened before many times. One needs only to consult the history books to see it played out over and over. The consequences have been dire each time. Will we- can we- beat the odds? Time will tell.
 
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growingforfun

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https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-u-s-is-a-failed-state/5630070

This article is full of links to supporting evidence for each assertion it makes supporting the central thesis that it's a failed State, no longer responsive to the needs it desires of the vast majority of its Citizens and wildly out of control in terms of its behavior on the international stage.

While I might have a few quibbles with one or two of the underlying documents or assertions made, in general I completely agree with the article's main conclusions.

The United States has failed; it has failed its allies, its neighbors, its citizens, the environment and its future.

When something cannot go on indefinitely, it won't. Will we be able to arrest and reverse these trends or are we as a nation doomed?

I think it's possible. I think it is by no means certain.

I'm absolutely confident that those who seek to gain advantage by sowing hatred and division make that very recovery far less certain and more difficult to achieve. Such people aren't likely to respond to reason, so they must instead be held accountable and ostracized.

@UncleBuck, I'm talking to you, among others here. The choice is yours. While I think your motives are mostly positive, your tactics stand in diametric opposition to their advancement. While I certainly understand your frustrations, your hostility and willingness to stoop to any expedient to silence or drive others away is backfiring and only strengthens and legitimizes those you oppose. You'll never get anything built if you spend all your time knocking things and people down.

It's time to stop having and start building bridges of consensus, issue by issue, coalition by coalition- or all will be lost.

It's happened before many times. One needs only to consult the history books to see it played out over and over. Will we- can we- beat the odds? Time will tell.
A well deserved call out.
Now is the time to do outreach and pull repubs and independants together under the dem umbrella, if the goal is unity under a dem leader.

Makes sure your actions are in line with your goals.
 

UncleBuck

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A well deserved call out.
Now is the time to do outreach and pull repubs and independants together under the dem umbrella, if the goal is unity under a dem leader.

Makes sure your actions are in line with your goals.
If your goal is to unite dems, why are your actions blaming obama and Clinton for trumps nazi policy of separating families and tossing them in concentration camps?
 

Fogdog

Well-Known Member
https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-u-s-is-a-failed-state/5630070

This article is full of links to supporting evidence for each assertion it makes supporting the central thesis that it's a failed State, no longer responsive to the needs it desires of the vast majority of its Citizens and wildly out of control in terms of its behavior on the international stage.

While I might have a few quibbles with one or two of the underlying documents or assertions made, in general I completely agree with the article's main conclusions.

The United States has failed; it has failed its allies, its neighbors, its citizens, the environment and its future.

When something cannot go on indefinitely, it won't. Will we be able to arrest and reverse these trends or are we as a nation doomed?

I think it's possible. I think it is by no means certain.

I'm absolutely confident that those who seek to gain advantage by sowing hatred and division make that very recovery far less certain and more difficult to achieve. Such people aren't likely to respond to reason, so they must instead be held accountable and ostracized.

@UncleBuck, I'm talking to you, among others here. The choice is yours. While I think your motives are mostly positive, your tactics stand in diametric opposition to their advancement. While I certainly understand your frustrations, your hostility and willingness to stoop to any expedient to silence or drive others away is backfiring and only strengthens and legitimizes those you oppose. You'll never get anything built if you spend all your time knocking things and people down.

It's time to stop having and start building bridges of consensus, issue by issue, coalition by coalition- or all will be lost.

It's happened before many times. One needs only to consult the history books to see it played out over and over. Will we- can we- beat the odds? Time will tell.
globalresearch is a propaganda website that serves the right wing agenda. Anything from that site is suspect.
 

growingforfun

Well-Known Member
If your goal is to unite dems, why are your actions blaming obama and Clinton for trumps nazi policy of separating families and tossing them in concentration camps?
You need medication. Or exercise. You dont read people's posts or try to gain any understanding. You cherry pick out 1 thing and hold onto it.
I've explained this to you at least 10 times and you fully ignore it.
 

UncleBuck

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You need medication. Or exercise. You dont read people's posts or try to gain any understanding. You cherry pick out 1 thing and hold onto it.
I've explained this to you at least 10 times and you fully ignore it.
Show me those 10 times you’ve explained to me why you attacked obama and Clinton for trumps nazi policy then
 

Fogdog

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The best part was when he told us we should thank trump for opening our eyes to the inhumanity at the border, right after he blamed obama and Clinton for it

Not sure why he’s pretending to be a dem, he clearly isn’t
Yeah, well, Bernie registered as a Democrat too.

Old tactic.

Odysseus used a similar tactic to end the Trojan War a while back.
 
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