America-definitive-proof-legalising-cannabis-bad

Legalization is currently big news in England,
spured by the medical debate as per.

Lots of opinion for legalization now in UK,
ex party leaders,and top cops for and usual suspects against,
this article has been put out today by the leading anti newspaper,
No.1 for killer Skunk psychosis stories and such nonsense.

Would be grateful for a informed opinion, as to the truth of this seeming B.S.


sorry to link to shit-bag organization but:


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5863195/Why-America-definitive-proof-legalising-cannabis-makes-crime-worse.html

Thanks in advance for any clarity!!

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First, may I point out that the Daily Mail, aka the Heil, takes a contradictory position as it is against marijuana but is in favour and campaigning for "medical" marijuana such as CBD. Be aware of their stance.

Also, it is no secret that the local LEOs have been clamping down on illegal growers in newly legal states, and that interstate trafficking will always be an issue. That bit is, you could say, old news and a bit of scaremongering from the Heil.

Now, as far as the psychosis part goes, there is a grain of truth there. If you already have a tendency to one or more assorted psychological conditions, marijuana CAN make that worse but there has to be an underlying problem there first. I've smoked for over 20 years and I can assure you it has had no effect on me psychologically, I am as sane as the next hairbrush.

So, in reality, don't believe anything in the Heil, they take constantly contradictory positions depending on the mood of the day.

I Think it was Colorado... I would have to listen to the talk again.. anyway their cannabis arrests went up by 10% after they "legalized" it.

Which doesn't actually mean an "increase in crime" when you're looking at an "increase in enforcement".

It also depends on the breakdown of "offences". As an example, Amsterdam is fairly lax about consumption in public as long as you are discrete about it, try the same in Den Haag and I think it's €140 fine. So although some may say "crime is up" it all depends on the stats as if the "increase" is mainly idiots thinking they can smoke in public when it's forbidden then I hardly class that as an "increase in crime".

Would need all the figures to see things, and I'm enjoying the CFX too much for that much thinking.

ANC said:

I Think it was Colorado... I would have to listen to the talk again.. anyway their cannabis arrests went up by 10% after they "legalized" it.

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They arrested "low hanging fruit"; i.e 1) some increased enforcement due to black market growers not using their noggins and zipping their lips, 2) folks who thought legal meant legal (no restrictions) and didn't register or qualify to register

They say police were watching for out of state registrations too...

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Well, put that guy on my list of people I hate. He has an agenda. Weed is bad for blacks, hispanics, gays, etc. Pot made him do hard drugs. Lets see the proof of his statistics. *Maybe* he is right?

Yes, he has some issies, like many ex users. That being said, some of what he said is based in reality and some of it may relate to the way other non-users see things, and that is important to know as we educate the public.

Big Green Thumb said:

Weed is bad for blacks, hispanics, gays, etc.

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This is not what I heard.... What he said is that the industry favours those with money over small poorer growers. He also said that there is a correlation between income and race which means many of those minorities fall in this class. They are being prosecuted more often and probably policed harder which is bad for them.

I live in Alaska and the crime thing is bullshit. Our biggest problem is rampant theft. I do mean rampant. Offenders, when arrested, have meth and heroin on them. Proof is in Alaska media. Just yesterday the police staged a "retail blitz" operation and arrested 14 people for shoplifting. The least value one had was a kid ripping off makeup but the rest were nearly all prior offenders with outstanding warrants for many. Several had heroin including some black tar. Several had meth and the priors were not cannabis related.

14 in one store in one shift. These are the ones they detected and apprehended but the point being these are hard drug users.

hotrodharley said:

I live in Alaska and the crime thing is bullshit. Our biggest problem is rampant theft. I do mean rampant. Offenders, when arrested, have meth and heroin on them. Proof is in Alaska media. Just yesterday the police staged a "retail blitz" operation and arrested 14 people for shoplifting. The least value one had was a kid ripping off makeup but the rest were nearly all prior offenders with outstanding warrants for many. Several had heroin including some black tar. Several had meth and the priors were not cannabis related.

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Same everywhere, I had a nice discussion with someone who came out with the crime angle in the UK but was hoisted by his own petard when I used his own figures to show the disproportionate costs in both healthcare and to "society" of the likes of heroin, crack, meth and so on.

And when you start doing your comparison with those who will have alcohol and not narcotic problems....

Fubard said:

Same everywhere, I had a nice discussion with someone who came out with the crime angle in the UK but was hoisted by his own petard when I used his own figures to show the disproportionate costs in both healthcare and to "society" of the likes of heroin, crack, meth and so on.

And when you start doing your comparison with those who will have alcohol and not narcotic problems....

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I was an RN for 34 years. Alcohol and tobacco are the biggest culprits for problems related to drugs and both are drugs. Side effects from prescription medications aren't far behind. You see the required legal warnings here about cannabis and its intoxicating effect (they haven't tried most of this sorry legal retail bud) but they'll never have to list death as any kind of side effect.

Fucking statins for lowering cholesterol "If you experience muscle pain while taking Shitrol. . ." it means it's destroying your muscles eh? Even killer dab doesn't do that.

hotrodharley said:

I was an RN for 34 years. Alcohol and tobacco are the biggest culprits for problems related to drugs and both are drugs. Side effects from prescription medications aren't far behind. You see the required legal warnings here about cannabis and its intoxicating effect (they haven't tried most of this sorry legal retail bud) but they'll never have to list death as any kind of side effect.

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It's the same as the "mental issues" argument, if there was basis in that then half of Holland would be psychotic. I ain't saying that it's a false argument, only that if you already have a tendency towards these issues does cannabis have a problem in that respect. It's why I won't let my missus consume, she is already diagnosed with psych issues so I will not take that risk.

As far as death goes, they can list it as a potential side effect thanks to smoking, but that's about it. Never seen any verifiable links to vaping or edibles and "bad" side effects such as cancers, and I think there has only ever been one, questionable, declaration of "death by weed"