Alright, A few serious questions about Obama's 'historic speech' n a few other things

DanktheDudemanNuggets

Active Member
To my wife Hnsmilf I love you very much and we will not take a fucking penny from the corrupt and fascist government and we will live off of the grid and be self sufficient. we can do this because we chose not to take any hand outs and we have the will power and mentality to do this ourselves I love you, our daughter, and our new baby on the way fuck the system, we are real patriots.:peace:

P.S.
Can you make biscuits and gravy again that was fucking good as hell.bongsmilie
 

HotNSexyMILF

Well-Known Member
To my wife Hnsmilf I love you very much and we will not take a fucking penny from the corrupt and fascist government and we will live off of the grid and be self sufficient. we can do this because we chose not to take any hand outs and we have the will power and mentality to do this ourselves I love you, our daughter, and our new baby on the way fuck the system, we are real patriots.:peace:

P.S.
Can you make biscuits and gravy again that was fucking good as hell.bongsmilie
Love you too hon. My daughter and I are blessed to have you now in our lives-the past year knowing you have been amazing. One day our dreams shall be fulfilled- one day at a time.

P.S. LOL..:roll: Of course..
 

HotNSexyMILF

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1. When did the 'American dream' become the 'American promise'? Who made this promise of the perfect life for everyone equally and where did this idea come from?

4. How come Obama keeps laying all governmental problems of the last 8 years at the feet of the Bush administration? I am by no means a fan of Bush AT ALL, however over the past two years particularly the DEMOCRATIC Congress has been supporting Bush, supporting the outrageous spending, and continuing to fund the wars overseas. I fail to see how only the Republicans can be blamed as the Democrats have been complacent through the whole war and amassing of debt.
Two questions I still have. Any takers?
 

mockingbird131313

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I never said the state should give you all this, just the opportunity to get it. Lets say that 1/2 the people in this country are living from hand to mouth, miss one pay check and you're next to homeless. With the right policies, we could take some of the cream off the top and offer it up to those in need. All these people losing their homes are not doing the general economy any good, we need to help these homeowners, and fuck the speculators, only primary residences. We need to offer these vacated properties to people that can't afford a house, make a few available to the homeless. There are ways to fix this mess, it will just require those with the most to give up some of the gold.
I think a better plan would be this: require foreign companies that supply goods and services in America, to station 10 percent of their workforce in America. That would sure be a real economic change for America.

Are you listening, Nestle, BP, Shell, IBM, Wal-Mart, Sears, bio'Mer'ieu,... ?
 

medicineman

New Member
I think a better plan would be this: require foreign companies that supply goods and services in America, to station 10 percent of their workforce in America. That would sure be a real economic change for America.

Are you listening, Nestle, BP, Shell, IBM, Wal-Mart, Sears, bio'Mer'ieu,... ?
Geeze, to think I actually agree with you, but I'd say an even higher amount like 50+%
 

ViRedd

New Member
Originally Posted by mockingbird131313
I think a better plan would be this: require foreign companies that supply goods and services in America, to station 10 percent of their workforce in America. That would sure be a real economic change for America.

Are you listening, Nestle, BP, Shell, IBM, Wal-Mart, Sears, bio'Mer'ieu,... ?

Geeze, to think I actually agree with you, but I'd say an even higher amount like 50+%


So, let's see if I get this straight. You guys want to subject foreign companies to our onerous corporate tax rates? This is one of the major reasons they are leaving the U.S. in the first place. Why not just lower the corperate tax rates to a level that would attract them back into the country instead? Just think of the job creation!

Vi
 

Bongulator

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As someone who does not plan to accept social security, ever, reducing the government's obligations to take care of those who have paid into social security won't kill me. I'll notice it, because there'll be a bunch of starving people too old to work, who had been counting on that money, but it won't affect me much...unless they start grabbing guns and shooting.

Oh, you mean lowering the taxes on companies will increase revenue and allow the government to make good on its obligations? Income goes down, but ability to pay bills goes up? I've heard this spiel before, in the 80s. Reagan called it 'trickle-down economics' and later they just called it Reaganomics.

The question is, does trickle-down economics work? The answer is, yes, it works great...if you're rich. I have a wealthy friend, and lord, he loved that theory. Not much that trickled into his bank account ever trickled out though. He just continued amassing wealth, and does so to this day. Oh, he *could* have hired a couple of more people to help around his resort. Instead, he pocketed that money. He'd be ecstatic to think that this economic theory is making the rounds again. Another chance for him to get even richer! The irony is, he's never complained about the tax rate he pays, never asked for it to be reduced. He was already quite happily rich (and I mean $30 million and more) and along came the government and said, 'Whoa there, pal, you aren't rich *enough*!' Who was he to argue? I wouldn't, and he didn't.

Now, how did Reagan pay for that massive transfer of wealth from everyone to the rich? By clamping down on a lot of stuff. For example, the social security my mother worked for her whole life, I was supposed to get that until I was 21, after her death. Instead, he passed a law killing it at 18. Well, thanks for taking three years of my social security and giving it to my rich friend. Probably bought him an extra bottle of really fine wine each month, and I'm sure he appreciated that, even though he hadn't asked for it, and even though it was my mother who had earned it. A small example of how he worked the transfer of wealth to the rich.

But that wasn't the *only* way Reagan financed that fiasco. He also added on to the national debt, to the extent that the debt our nation became saddled with under Reagan equalled all of the debt accrued for the first 200 years' worth of presidents *combined*. That was also, incidentally, why the first Bush had to go back on his word and raise taxes -- because Reaganomics had failed and driven us deeply into debt.

And so here we are...again. Lower taxes, reduce corporate penalties, and (somehow) more money will appear, and while the rich and the big corporations will do some serious reaping of wealth, the middle-class and the poor will *also* prosper. That's the spiel, but that's not how it works. It was tolerable when Reagan did it *only* because our debt load was much lower when he began driving it up (in effect charging money for the rich to the credit cards of the middle class). And even so, it wasn't until the end of the Clinton era that the mess was finally cleaned up. But now? Our debt is already enormous, and yet, having learned no lessons from the past, you would want us to try Reaganomics again, but this time beginning it when the economy is *already* in tatters?

Disaster incoming if someone resurrects Reaganomics, and that is a certainty. We don't need to theorize about it; we've already done the experiment, so we already know the results. Nobody wants to hear it, but paying your bills involves some sacrifice. Reaganomics didn't change that 25 years ago. There is no magic cure. You either come up with the money to pay your bills, or you don't. Giving corporations and rich folks big tax breaks doesn't make paying the bills any easier, it just means that they're not the ones paying the bills. Which is great if you're rich, but sucks for everyone who isn't, which is apparently 97% of us.
 

ViRedd

New Member
Bong ...

If your friend is stuffing cash into the bank, he's really stupid. It's worth is being eroded by the hidden tax called inflation. Astute people don't amass cash in bank accounts, they invest it. They start businesses. They buy capital improvements. They hire employees. They create new wealth. As they create new wealth, they pay taxes and increase revenues to the government.

Vi
 

HotNSexyMILF

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Well, if you have the time and inclination ... please pass it along. :)

Vi
:mrgreen: Shhhh.. don't tell..
The recipe makes enough to nicely feed 2 people, 3 if they aren't as big eaters.

Biscuits
2 cups all-purpose flour
2 1/2 teaspoons baking powder
3/4 teaspoon salt
5 tablespoons shortening (unspecified amount to melt and dip dough in)
3/4 cup milk

Preheat oven to 450 degrees F
Mix the flour, baking powder and salt. Add the shortening and mix until in little pieces. Add milk a little at a time and mix until it forms a ball.
Roll out on floured board to 1/4 inch to 1/2 inch thick. Cut out in desired size or roll and flatten balls into desired size. Dip in melted shortening. Place biscuits on an ungreased baking sheet.
Bake for 12 to 15 minutes.

Gravy
1/2 pound bulk pork sausage (slightly less for those that like a higher gravy to sausage ratio)
1 tablespoon butter or margarine
3 tablespoons all-purpose flour
1 3/4 cups milk
1/8 teaspoon salt
1/2 teaspoon pepper

In a saucepan, brown the sausage. Stir in butter until melted. Sprinkle in flour. Gradually stir in milk, salt and pepper. Bring to a boil; cook and stir for 2 minutes or until desired thickness is desired. Serve over biscuits.

:mrgreen:
 

HotNSexyMILF

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Bong ...

If your friend is stuffing cash into the bank, he's really stupid. It's worth is being eroded by the hidden tax called inflation.
I hate banks- been fucked over too many times by them. :peace:

Any savings we have is in silver- much much more sound than paper..
 
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