Almost on the vertical level!

I appreciate the fact rollitup has so many people with so many ideas, that we all can express to one another. We only had this site and other sites for a short time! Just think of what our fathers had to do! There wasent no sites, netherless with #1 rule “loose lips sink ships”. All their knowledge was from trial and error amongst themselves. Sites like this bring us all together as 1, having 1 Mother Earth , and one father sun

1 week left to go! I wish I could post smell! T.H. seeds heavy duty fruity was a good choice! If it taste anything like the fruity smell, I am in 4 a treat! Love the way the colas r just thick, with a good stem structure, great lingering fruity smell. It’s got some leaves though, and could use some more color. I flowered these clones right around when they got 6” tall. I have 2 phenotypes Sam, and Chung Lee. Sam is just slightly taller, with more spaced out buds. Both have that strong fruity smell!

Chung Lee

Sam.

Hdf tricome development can use some improvement. Tricome development is their, but I feel like the glands need to reach out more on both phenotypes. I do have some hdf males and intend on inbreeding and working with this strain. I have 2 males selected, for my 2 females, so I can create 2 family trees.

Th seeds hdf is a productive short plant with a great smell. I like the fact that it is short, because makes it easier to maintaining it.

Ok sorry for not posting sooner, but I believe I needed improvements for next rip. Out of 28 plants only pulled out 11 zips. That is not acceptable my means of using 1800 watts! So I went back to the drawing board. Now that I know my Chung lee stays sort enough to maintain, I will be going with smaller pots to fit more in the octagon. Went ahead and got 1 gallon pots, so I can test out a therory of compacting single coloa plants. With 1 gallon pots I can react 84 plants. Still trying to get things right and will be posting more pics soon! This rip will be all Chung lee!

Never heard of vertical growing, but damn this shit is awesome! Have you thought about vegging in the octagon. Then maybe you could have a trellis around the whole inner wall and train the plants kind of like vines before flowering. Glad i stumbled across this. This is beautiful.

Trex, good idea. I don’t see why u couldn’t.

Ok 2 weeks in flowering, made dragtic changes this rip.
Heat build up was a little problem on them hot days, with 1,800w 12hr. and a dehumidifier running. My mini split is a 12,000 btu and was a little low on freeon. Got a trust worthy ac guy to come charge her up, and decided since I paid so much in kw, last rip, let’s make this more efficient. I read old articles on lamp switching, and decided to utilize the theory. I have (1) 600 hps come on for 3hr, then (2) 600w mh come on for 3hr. 2 cycles, for a total of 12 hours! Running half the kw, I ran before! Now day or night I’m at 70-76 degrees at 60% humidity.
Also when I pulled the old root balls out I noticed they didn’t fill the pots no where near as I would think, so I went to 1 gallon pots and stacked more in the system. Added trays to the bottom of the pots so watering would be easier as well. 2 weeks on 75 (74 broke one yesterday fuuuuk) half the Watts! Let’s see what it do!

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View attachment 4311972 View attachment 4311973 Ok 2 weeks in flowering, made dragtic changes this rip.
Heat build up was a little problem on them hot days, with 1,800w 12hr. and a dehumidifier running. My mini split is a 12,000 btu and was a little low on freeon. Got a trust worthy ac guy to come charge her up, and decided since I paid so much in kw, last rip, let’s make this more efficient. I read old articles on lamp switching, and decided to utilize the theory. I have (1) 600 hps come on for 3hr, then (2) 600w mh come on for 3hr. 2 cycles, for a total of 12 hours! Running half the kw, I ran before! Now day or night I’m at 70-76 degrees at 60% humidity.
Also when I pulled the old root balls out I noticed they didn’t fill the pots no where near as I would think, so I went to 1 gallon pots and stacked more in the system. Added trays to the bottom of the pots so watering would be easier as well. 2 weeks on 75 (74 broke one yesterday fuuuuk) half the Watts! Let’s see what it do!

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I also grow in a vertical area but utilize a Coliseum setup instead of true vertical garden design.
I did vert years ago with decent g/watt harvests but never was able to get the optimal result I wanted.
I switched to Colosseum build, utilize 2 600 super hps and 1 mh blue with 2 x 2000w (replacement)LED panels for extra coverage.
Honestly I am testing my plans for a new build.
I have grown all sorts of different techniques and well into the triple.digits as far.as genetics over 20years now.
I havest multiple plants every 14 to 21 days in a perpetual grow. Average harvest was right around 400g/4 plants per cycle(14 -21days)This allows for some extra time in veg and as long as I stick to the feed, prune, train and harvest routine it works very well.

Currently I am getting some of the best results I have seen and am very pleased with the setup.
After the rebuild last fall and manipulating the plants to fully benefit from the LEDs my last 5 harvests have been nearly 600g per 4 plant cycle.
1- 10g , 1 7gal and 2 5gal plant of whatever strain is cycling through.

The plants tier in the room in this fashion as well with tens (typically 9 - 11oz)bottom tier, 7s (typically 4-6oa) -next tier up and then 5s(2.5 -4oz) around the.top.

10 gals and 7s are drip fed and I hand water 5s.
For rotation and to keep my timelines in check the indicas skip over 2 slots in the rotation where the sativas and long photo period hybrids need that extra time. Each slot has a time line for growth as well as it own feeding schedule.

Training is different for each tier but not the end of the world and I found that spending my time on training got better results than a lot of time spent on hand watering and taking care of all those little ladies.

I dont have pics I am willing to post but.am more than happy to help you with setup and design if you continue to develop your room.

My advice would be to use a manifold train on larger root based plants for higher yields in your set up. Stop thinking vertical sog or wall of greens and look into training a bit for better yields. A simple 5 node top and tie with 2 extra weeks in veg would give you exceptional results. With less headache from all thos little bitches to maintain.

Are you rotating/turning your plants at all?
How tall do you let them get?
How long in veg before flower?
CO2?
Defoliation?
Tie downs?
Root mass not fillings 2 gal is concerning for me considering my experience with sog...

Dh1980 thanks for all the advice. Yes I’m turning twice a week. I had sum tall ones, and didn’t like the height. Since 84 is a big number, my goal was to cut clones, have them veg till they reach 6” then flower. The hdf strain I’m working on now is a short pheno. Not running co2. Don’t wanna kill myself, nor no when else. I know it’s hard to get a room at them ppm levels, but kind of scary. I don’t do 2 much training.I do pull my old dead leafs off.
I was really considering a perpetual dealing with the numbers I have. Man 4 plants per lb sounds great to me. Please tell us more.

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Dh1980 thanks for all the advice. Yes I’m turning twice a week. I had sum tall ones, and didn’t like the height. Since 84 is a big number, my goal was to cut clones, have them veg till they reach 6” then flower. The hdf strain I’m working on now is a short pheno. Not running co2. Don’t wanna kill myself, nor no when else. I know it’s hard to get a room at them ppm levels, but kind of scary. I don’t do 2 much training.I do pull my old dead leafs off.
I was really considering a perpetual dealing with the numbers I have. Man 4 plants per lb sounds great to me. Please tell us more.

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Heavy duty is a great strain! I ran that for awhile a few years back... well pry a decade ago at this point.
At 6in you could easily top your plants, extend veg by say 7 to 10 days and more than likely double your harvest.
Co2 is great for veg but if you are not comfortable then dont waste the $.
Sage is th seeds as well I do believe and is much better! In my opinion.
How far do you have your plants at the start of flower?

DH1980 said:

Heavy duty is a great strain! I ran that for awhile a few years back... well pry a decade ago at this point.
At 6in you could easily top your plants, extend veg by say 7 to 10 days, tie the tops down and more than likely double your harvest.
Co2 is great for veg but if you are not comfortable then dont waste the $.
Sage is th seeds as well I do believe and is much better! In my opinion.
Some reason I recall having issues with deficiency with hdf... could've been me tinkering as well back then. I dont really fuck with my main feed schedule and haven't for a long time.
How far do you have your plants at the start of flower?

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I currently run 28 in my rotation. Genetics: White widow, gelato, pinkberry, sour DIESEL Kush, Jack herer and turbo Ghost train.
Keeps the jars full of tasty treats! Lol

I find that running lamps inside tubes or behind glass cost more efficiency than it was worth. I've run as much as 3kW (3x1000W CDM lamps) in one vertical cylinder and with a fan beneath blowing upwards I had no heat trouble.

So my advice is to lose the tube. Here's another reason why; plants convert heat into humidity through transpiration- which is how they draw nutrients up the plant. That's a feature, not a bug!

I also counsel against turning plants; instead train and trellis them to get full coverage. Otherwise you risk larfy buds.

Not a

ttystikk said:

I find that running lamps inside tubes or behind glass cost more efficiency than it was worth. I've run as much as 3kW (3x1000W CDM lamps) in one vertical cylinder and with a fan beneath blowing upwards I had no heat trouble.

So my advice is to lose the tube. Here's another reason why; plants convert heat into humidity through transpiration- which is how they draw nutrients up the plant. That's a feature, not a bug!

I also counsel against turning plants; instead train and trellis them to get full coverage. Otherwise you risk larfy buds.

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Fan of the tubes either.
Training of some kind is definitely needed to achieve the best.possible coverage.
Some top, some.prune, some trellis and others just let them go.
But any of the techniques the use minimal stress can benefit your grow with little effort and minimal setbacks from stress.

Good luck and good growing!
Hope to here more

DH1980 said:

Not a

Fan of the tubes either.
Training of some kind is definitely needed to achieve the best.possible coverage.
Some top, some.prune, some trellis and others just let them go.
But any of the techniques the use minimal stress can benefit your grow with little effort and minimal setbacks from stress.

Good luck and good growing!
Hope to here more

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View attachment 4135179 View attachment 4135180 Went ahead and did my design. Every thing didn’t plan out as I intended. I didn’t go from ceiling 2 floor with my lights so I had to tweak things up a bit. I wanted to go 5 tiers but mathematically I couldn’t. So instead I have 2 go 4 tiers. But on layout looks like I can leave out one side of the octagon for entry, and still fit 3 plants per shelf. So 7x3=21 per tier, and 21x4 tiers= merry Christmas! My octagon will b 6’ outer diameter, with 9.5” wide shelves.
Got everything cut, now I’m listening 2 my neighbors arguing. Sounds like she was telling the guy she caught him fucking someone else. Lol. Glad I’m done cutting for the night. I cut (35) pieces 2”x10”x28 5/16” (long end) on 22.5 degree angle on my makita miter saw. Then I have ( pieces for the uprights 2”x10”x77 3/4”. Each side is starting 12” off the floor (so I can clean under the octagon). Each chamber includes the 1.5” wood thickness at 16” per chamber. Plus I added another 1.75 for another piece at the top. So here is where I’m at so far!

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How much saw dust went into your pool?

What type MH bulbs are you running? Most of them don't like being run vertical and you generally have a short life on those if operated in a vertical position. Some MH bulbs are rated for "base up" operation and those are good to go.