Almost 1/3 of all homicides in my county 2010-16 were police killings

Flowki

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I didn't say your were fascist. I said you made a false equivalency when you compared what happened in the video to the issues discussed in this thread. I said fascists are doing the same thing.

And I completely agree that this country has become more fascist over time, to the point where Trump could become prez.

We have a problem in this country where police kill or injure the people they should be protecting. Racism is a problem, both due to some racist cops, cops who see protecting the force as more important than flushing out racist cops and systemic racism in the judicial system as a whole. Fascism is part of the problem too. No excuses can be made for any of this.
Yes I fully agree you guys have problems on all sides, the minorities or previously oppressed are exhibiting the same blanket hate behavior of the ones they are calling out.

@ttystikk democracy never had a genuine strong foot hold in your country (still time) so your eye for an eye sentiment is understandable. However, the idea of if they fire nukes on us, we will fire nukes on them leaves no winners. One side has to initiate disarmament, the other side may never comply but it's still the best chance.

I personally don't think your government is going to get it's shit together any time soon. But if your civilian nation is to give up on the idea of a peaceful democracy (as they are increasingly doing) might as well launch now.
 

ttystikk

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Yes I fully agree you guys have problems on all sides, the minorities or previously oppressed are exhibiting the same blanket hate behavior of the ones they are calling out.

@ttystikk democracy never had a genuine strong foot hold in your country (still time) so your eye for an eye sentiment is understandable. However, the idea of if they fire nukes on us, we will fire nukes on them leaves no winners. One side has to initiate disarmament, the other side may never comply but it's still the best chance.

I personally don't think your government is going to get it's shit together any time soon. But if your civilian nation is to give up on the idea of a peaceful democracy (as they are increasingly doing) might as well launch now.
Our country is currently a fascist leaning corporate oligarchy.

North Korea is not about to launch any nutes at anyone; their whole picture at this point is defensive and deterrent in nature.

It's being spun by American media as something it isn't, even while somehow ignoring the fact of American naval assets off their coast behaving badly.
 

jonsnow399

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Our country is currently a fascist leaning corporate oligarchy.

North Korea is not about to launch any nutes at anyone; their whole picture at this point is defensive and deterrent in nature.

It's being spun by American media as something it isn't, even while somehow ignoring the fact of American naval assets off their coast behaving badly.
I wish they would launch a couple tons of Jacks Classic at my backyard.
 

Justin-case

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Our country is currently a fascist leaning corporate oligarchy.

North Korea is not about to launch any nutes at anyone; their whole picture at this point is defensive and deterrent in nature.

It's being spun by American media as something it isn't, even while somehow ignoring the fact of American naval assets off their coast behaving badly.
I've heard of nuking plants, but never heard of nutelear warfare
 

Flowki

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Our country is currently a fascist leaning corporate oligarchy.

North Korea is not about to launch any nutes at anyone; their whole picture at this point is defensive and deterrent in nature.

It's being spun by American media as something it isn't, even while somehow ignoring the fact of American naval assets off their coast behaving badly.
Damn they beat me to the nute jokes ;p.

The nuke example was a general one. But since on the topic, if you are to judge people by the actions they carry out would you want Kim on anything but the defensive?. No point in getting into old ground or conspiracy theory's about what the UK or US have done over the years. Kim is just like Hitler, luckily with no options to act globally but a suicidal one. The more weapons he acquires, the more we literally depend on him not being suicidal. Does he strike you as the kind of person who, if diagnosed with a terminal illness will leave this world peacefully?.
 

SneekyNinja

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Precisely. They're called a civilian police force for a reason.

And can someone please explain the necessity of this?!;
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Yes, it actually says 'San Diego Unified School District.'

This is from 2014, and the district was shamed into getting rid of it.
It's all surplus/obsolete army gear, they actually get it really cheaply but I agree, no need for that sort of shit.
 

ttystikk

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Damn they beat me to the nute jokes ;p.

The nuke example was a general one. But since on the topic, if you are to judge people by the actions they carry out would you want Kim on anything but the defensive?. No point in getting into old ground or conspiracy theory's about what the UK or US have done over the years. Kim is just like Hitler, luckily with no options to act globally but a suicidal one. The more weapons he acquires, the more we literally depend on him not being suicidal. Does he strike you as the kind of person who, if diagnosed with a terminal illness will leave this world peacefully?.
Maybe you could stop swallowing the propaganda you're being fed and think a little more critically.

If YOU were Kim, what would you do if threatened by the world's greatest military power?
 

greg nr

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Cop killed a deaf man in okc who wouldn't follow commands... as onlookers yelled he was deaf and couldn't hear.

Another robot with a gun.
 

ttystikk

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Cop killed a deaf man in okc who wouldn't follow commands... as onlookers yelled he was deaf and couldn't hear.

Another robot with a gun.
Yay!

Go, police state!

Fucking despicable that a deaf man gets a death sentence with no trial or jury just for his handicap.

Bet the cop gets paid vacation!
 

Flowki

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Maybe you could stop swallowing the propaganda you're being fed and think a little more critically.

If YOU were Kim, what would you do if threatened by the world's greatest military power?
I am not swallowing any propaganda, the man is not stable. You are ignoring obvious threats to maintain an anti establishment stance.
 

ttystikk

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I am not swallowing any propaganda, the man is not stable. You are ignoring obvious threats to maintain an anti establishment stance.
Just don't forget how much we've been threatening him over the last month- not to mention the last half century.

But I understand if you can't handle the truth.
 

Flowki

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Just don't forget how much we've been threatening him over the last month- not to mention the last half century.

But I understand if you can't handle the truth.
You are blinded by consciens, regardless of who is responsible he's a problem. This is where being left or right becomes a danger. Let him be in peace, to quite possibly pursue a dangerous path that could lead to vengeance, or retaliate now with hostility. Both are the complete wrong option, long or short term.

A formal apology would be a good start. Genuine action (even military backed) on all sides to proportionally reduce weapons of mass destruction until 0 being the long game. Since America got us in this nuclear mess they should be the first to dispose of a meaningful amount of arms as a token gesture.. and they owe a lot of apology and compensation to other nations to even get them on board.
 

ttystikk

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You are blinded by consciens, regardless of who is responsible he's a problem. This is where being left or right becomes a danger. Let him be in peace, to quite possibly pursue a dangerous path that could lead to vengeance, or retaliate now with hostility. Both are the complete wrong option, long or short term.

A formal apology would be a good start. Genuine action (even military backed) on all sides to proportionally reduce weapons of mass destruction until 0 being the long game. Since America got us in this nuclear mess they should be the first to dispose of a meaningful amount of arms as a token gesture.. and they owe a lot of apology and compensation to other nations to even get them on board.
The source of the problem is the profit in war. Address that and the rest will quickly take care of urself. Not so easy as it sounds...
 

Flowki

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The source of the problem is the profit in war. Address that and the rest will quickly take care of urself. Not so easy as it sounds...
It is incredibly easy but just as incredibly unlikely. The direction of education is all that it takes, Kim obviously understands this. Manipulated men with not the awareness and conviction of Ali fight wars. Patriotism is one of the finest examples of manipulative tools. It's mindbogglingly obvious yet still highly effective even on academically ''intelligent'' people.
 

ttystikk

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It is incredibly easy but just as incredibly unlikely. The direction of education is all that it takes, Kim obviously understands this. Manipulated men with not the awareness and conviction of Ali fight wars. Patriotism is one of the finest examples of manipulative tools. It's mindbogglingly obvious yet still highly effective even on academically ''intelligent'' people.
The fact that it's so unlikely should tell you that maybe it isn't as easy as you make it sound.
 

Padawanbater2

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We have a problem in this country where police kill or injure the people they should be protecting. Racism is a problem, both due to some racist cops, cops who see protecting the force as more important than flushing out racist cops and systemic racism in the judicial system as a whole. Fascism is part of the problem too. No excuses can be made for any of this.
100% agree

I wonder if an organization could be organized to create a Brand New Police Force.. Funded by individual American taxpayers. Focused on strengthening the community through racial inclusion, job creation, free child care services, the implementation of a living wage, universal healthcare, etc.
 

ttystikk

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100% agree

I wonder if an organization could be organized to create a Brand New Police Force.. Funded by individual American taxpayers. Focused on strengthening the community through racial inclusion, job creation, free child care services, the implementation of a living wage, universal healthcare, etc.
Private police forces tend to be even worse than public ones, if history is any guide.

Why not rebuild the boundaries of accountability in the police forces we have? Plenty of cops out there really do want to be helping society, rather than be complicit in abusing it.

This task would not be easy, either, but it remains as necessary at the street level of government per as it does in the White House or the Senate.
 

Flowki

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The fact that it's so unlikely should tell you that maybe it isn't as easy as you make it sound.
It's unlikely I'll win the jack pot but buying the ticket isn't hard.

Whats stopping you quitting the job you hate?. The act itself is easy, but the perceived aftermath is entirely engineered due to the new man made perimeters of the materialistic world, 99% of the shit you have you think you do, but don't need. Money and it's purchase is the prison cell, social ridicule free prison guards, the government and it's reach the warden. Not trying to sound like some prophet, it is what it is. As the internet expands and hopefully gives more people the chance to find true awareness then more have the opportunity to take the benefits of living in a society while avoiding the bs such as fighting another mans illegal war.
 

st0wandgrow

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100% agree

I wonder if an organization could be organized to create a Brand New Police Force.. Funded by individual American taxpayers. Focused on strengthening the community through racial inclusion, job creation, free child care services, the implementation of a living wage, universal healthcare, etc.
Better yet, an independent, civilian lead task force that investigates police shootings. Something like the IIO in British Columbia.

Take a look at this...

http://iiobc.ca/
 
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