advanced nutrients solution ph won't come down (urgent)

cryptique

cryptique

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Hi all,

My tap water's ph is 7.8. before an hour from feeding i add gh ph down solution to it till ph drops to 6.5.
Usually 3-3,5 ml to 5 liter works.

Then when feeding nutrients i use all the advanced nutrients ph perfect grandmaster set with conniseur A+B
base. i added almost 7 ml to 5 liter bottle but ph doesnt seem to affect after 4 hours. its like ph perfect nutes set lock the ph to the tap waters level

is it because i added the nutes first? should i ph my water before nutes so that ph perfect lockt the ph to the phed water levet. i searched and i read every forum on people tell you add nutes first then ph it down and upon using ph up, up first then nutes.

so if i am doing rihgt whats wrong?
 
cryptique

cryptique

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i just checked the 5 lts water that i used 7 mg of ph down solution. instead of decreasing ph raised up to 8.2
 
InTheValley

InTheValley

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man, I hear ya.

I dont use PH perfect now, I use MegaCrop and RO water.

I check my PH with the drip in solution, not meter.

So, for the hell of it, i tested the PH of a batch for flower.

tested, and it says it under 4.0 Super orange.

Ph of the RO is 6.5 per data sheet for this water.

Im growing in cocoloco, and try to get my PH under 6.

so, i find it odd, that it supposed to be 5.8 the PH perfect standard, but tests super orange, or less then 4.0

Hope you get your help man,
 
coreywebster

coreywebster

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I was under the impression that with the PH perfect range you are not to add ph down or up at any point or it interferes with the balancing.

Have you tried not using ph adjusters at all, mixing all the nutrients, only from the ph perfect range and leaving an hour and testing the ph?
 
Puff_Dragon

Puff_Dragon

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agree with previous post. No need to PH water before using AN ph perfect range of nutes (it will upset the nutes internal ph-ing). fyi - my tap water ph is 7.8 too and I've used AN ph perfect with success in the past (in soil). Make sure to stir/agitate water well to mix ph-perfect 2 part formula.

If you have a way to collect it, you could also try using rain water as your base.
 
cryptique

cryptique

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Guys if i don use ph down my tap water eith nutes still stays at 7.8 even after the day i mix it.

Ph perfect technology description on AN web site says it balancez the ph to 5.8-6.3 but it doesnt

And there is a channel on youtube gratefullgrower a pro grower using AN products for years and says ph perfect isnt ph perfect at all and he uses ph down and i see a of other grower does it too.

The thing is i am having deficiencies due to lock out because of ph and i grow in soil thats why i need to bring the ph down a kittle bit.
İ am in week six of flowering and my plants nearly lost all of the fan leaves.
 
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hibok

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I didn’t actually read all the post but r u using strips or a probe to read your ph reading?
Strips should be always accurate as long as your following the directions on the drop bottle. And for the probe... did u leave the cap on the end, when did u last calibrate it, the probe may be defective, old, or broken.

Cheers
 
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Tim1987

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cryptique said:
Please guys help me
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Ive used it myself. In coir. Didnt like it at all. Made my already hard water, harder. I tried the sensi a+b in the bottles. That "wet betty" is a shit buffering agent imo. Whatever it is. It takes up space in your water. That could otherwise be filled with something the plant can use.

Id definitely say youre mixing wrong as well.
Mix EVERYTHING in first before ph down. Let it sit overnight. Test what your ph is first. Then adjust it as need be.
Adding acid first locks things like calcium out of the water. If its happenig really bad. Youll see a bit of a white ploom as you add your nutrient.

I did still have to use ph up/down with ph perfect too. I understand you need RO for Wet Betty to work.
Imho if a fertilizer company cant buffer their nutrient properly, so its the right ph in RO. The nutrient is SHIT, and you need a better one :peace:

If you still get a ploom mixing ph down after mixing. Dilute the acid first, before adding.
 
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Tim1987

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I know it may be unsightly. But a picture would really help.

It happens to the best of us mate. If anyone trolls about your sick plant. Consider them a dickhead. Or a noob :peace:

Its always one, of the two.
 
Hucklebetty420

Hucklebetty420

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I hear nutrient discussions here is very good and good reading from review I see . I read much and also ph 6.5 is good in soil. also is very good people here,feel same team grow best weed together and smoke weed relax from cannabis

Good grow
 
cryptique

cryptique

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hibok said:
I didn’t actually read all the post but r u using strips or a probe to read your ph reading?
Strips should be always accurate as long as your following the directions on the drop bottle. And for the probe... did u leave the cap on the end, when did u last calibrate it, the probe may be defective, old, or broken.

Cheers
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İ am using a simple stick and it mostly take 15 minute for it tomread the correct ph but it does when i use ph down with plain tap water
 
cryptique

cryptique

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Tim1987 said:
Ive used it myself. In coir. Didnt like it at all. Made my already hard water, harder. I tried the sensi a+b in the bottles. That "wet betty" is a shit buffering agent imo. Whatever it is. It takes up space in your water. That could otherwise be filled with something the plant can use.

Id definitely say youre mixing wrong as well.
Mix EVERYTHING in first before ph down. Let it sit overnight. Test what your ph is first. Then adjust it as need be.
Adding acid first locks things like calcium out of the water. If its happenig really bad. Youll see a bit of a white ploom as you add your nutrient.

I did still have to use ph up/down with ph perfect too. I understand you need RO for Wet Betty to work.
Imho if a fertilizer company cant buffer their nutrient properly, so its the right ph in RO. The nutrient is SHIT, and you need a better one :peace:

If you still get a ploom mixing ph down after mixing. Dilute the acid first, before adding.
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Dude i mixt the nutes first and then ph down as you but it doesnt work ph even comes up ğnstead of decreasing.

But when i use my oh down in plain tap water it works

Thats why i thought shoud i use acid first but nope i did just like you said
 
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Tim1987

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cryptique said:
Dude i mixt the nutes first and then ph down as you but it doesnt work ph even comes up ğnstead of decreasing.

But when i use my oh down in plain tap water it works

Thats why i thought shoud i use acid first but nope i did just like you said
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That is exactly what happened to me. Exactly.
I'm sorry to say it. But unless you run pure hydro with RO. That stuff is a total gimmick, waste of money, and time.
I still have it on my shelf. I never use it. It was a total waste of money.
It was horrible in coir.
 
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Tim1987

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I remembered a video that put it all to bed for me.
It's from Advanced Nutrients themselves.
It may help you out.
Notice there are a few anomalies in their information -

They mention three different water sources, with different ph levels. What sources? What ppm? Tap, distilled, well, RO, rain water? Which is it?

No mention of any starting out as hard water either. We can only assume it wasn't. No mention of ppm in the water sources.

Uses the whole "Grandmaster" bundle.

After adding about 8 different bottles, says "already starting to level out, and we havnt even added the whole range yet".

It's what they don't tell you........
 
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Tim1987

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Theses are the bottles I used.

I started with the 3-part in the white bottle.
Then the two part sensi.

I don't use Advanced Nutrients anymore. But from my experience your better off getting the same range. But non ph perfect.

The three part ph perfect definitely worked better than the two part, as well.1527475303170-1747324771.jpg
 
Puff_Dragon

Puff_Dragon

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fyi - when I used AN in the past, it was the 2 part AN Sensi grow and bloom I used (in soil).

For the record; all the AN 'additives' I've ever used in the past didn't effect the PH at all (voodoo juice, b52, carboload, calmag, revive, bud blood, bud ignitor, bud factorX, big bud and over drive)
I never checked the PH at all in that AN grow (and I never got an issue that displayed in the plants).

This was a few years ago now (I have generally settled with Biobizz nutes and organic stuff from around the house) :)
 
Cold$moke

Cold$moke

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Just ph your water down to 6.5 or so first
Then mix your nutes

Then see if its stabilized after a few hours

Ive found ph perfect only.works when it wants to lol

Its still decent stuff just over priced and way too hyped.

The stuff i use now the.ph actually swings down

So i have to ph it at 6.3 and it will fall to 5.8 then just add water to top up and it resets it damn near back at 6.3 no ph adjuster needed after the first adjustment :)
 
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Tim1987

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I found it doest work at all.

Used 3part first. In a water farm. Wasnt bad.

Then tried coir. No good.
Tied the 2part. Even worse.

My tap water ph is 7.3ish, less than 100ppm. Id add the nutrient. No ph down. Ph would go to 6.1 (3-part especially so).
But it just doesn't stay there. It doesn't keep ph in range at all. Maybe soft water.
But not media. It totally screwed my coir. Finished the grow. Bought a different nutrient.
Problem solved. Ph really stable. Barely any down needed either.

I say "why" buy the ph perfect? When you have to ph anyway?
What is even the point?
Its just extra crap, that isnt needed.
 
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Arrogant Bastard

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I just bought the 3 part grow bloom and micro AN PH perfect. Haven’t tried it yet but seems RO water , rain or PH the water down to ur desired range then add the AN nutrients let sit a while b4 checking and it should buffer the PH itself if it works. I’m a fan of super soil it’s simple and works fantastic without PH problems. Am trying the AN PHP in DWC just to see if it Work’s basically. Will update if it buffers correct and results from both the super soil and AN PHP DWC grows. My moneys on the super soil mix well both since I bought both lol.
 
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