Advance Nutrients help

diggs99 said:

Ok i think i get what your saying, something to def watch out for in the future.

as of now, i doubt its possible mine are overfed, they have only taken nutes(floranova bloom) 3 times in their life, 2ml/g 3ml/g and then 5ml/g with a bunch of ph water feedings in between.

Like i said, more of a variation/abomination of the lucas formula lol

the first 2ml feed was given to them back on Dec 20th/ day30 veg, immediately after the plants started showing slight N tox, i assume the FFOF still had lots of good stuff left in it at that point. They never took another nute feed until Jan 5th Day 46 veg which was 3ml/g...I flipped them on Jan 6th.

Yesterday Jan 14th they took 5ml/g Day 7 flower

As of now i think they look fine, obviously im new, so there could be something you more expierenced growers may see, that i do not.

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That's my point they look fine because they aren't experiencing any negative effect. You are either simply wasting nutrients or they are using them. My point was there are many explanations besides the obvious and your plants look good. This 'hobby' is very simple and very complex

In other words the explanation (we think of) for what we see may not be what actually happened.

Simple and complex, aint that the truth lol

Ya i guess this is also why ive been second guessing myself every step of the way, because even tho i think they look good, my inexperience/lack of knowledge may be missing something

I have read journals and seen plants look great, until they didnt lol

i know exactly what your saying.

cannabineer said:

There are two cardinal advantages to having a 3-part nutrient solution.

1) Some of the ions the plant needs are not compatible with others except in high dilution (ready nutrient solution). This makes it impossible to have a true 1-bottle nutrient, and the 2-bottle formulations I've seen are very prone to throwing phosphatic precipitates. Three parts is the sweet spot wherein one can formulate effective, stable concentrated solutions of the nutrient salts.

2) Having the N and K essentially separate makes for easy configuration of that one set of three bottles for veg, transition and bloom. It also allows the experienced user to fine-tune major nutrient ratios in response to plant health or vigor.
In GH 3-part, most of the K is in Grow, the N is largely in Micro (the red one) and Bloom is where almost all the P is found. This makes it easy to tweak one's formula along these three axes.

The 3-part is really a 4-part when I consider our local water. The fourth component is Cal-Mag, since Ca and Mg are the likeliest to deposit minerals that won't go back into solution.

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Great points. Just to clarify my comment about more bottles bigger the ego was referring to using advanced hobby bundle, expert bundle, pro grower bundle or Grand master bundle. Lots of fancy bottles to make the noob feel more advanced and at a hellish price.
I wasn't suggesting those who use a 3 part nutrient had a bigger ego than those who use a 2 part. .

coreywebster said:

Great points. Just to clarify my comment about more bottles bigger the ego was referring to using advanced hobby bundle, expert bundle, pro grower bundle or Grand master bundle. Lots of fancy bottles to make the noob feel more advanced and at a hellish price.
I wasn't suggesting those who use a 3 part nutrient had a bigger ego than those who use a 2 part. .

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No worries; my ego is on Super Bloom lol.

I agree that all the ancillary or satellite bottles in the AN line are somewhere in the space bounded by unnecessary, useless and even detrimental. I imagine that they are a cynical marketing exercise, the sort of thing one finds in say the cosmetics industry. The attractive bottle art effectively implies "use this stuff and get brighter weedier weed!1!" I gotta hand it to AN's lying <cough!> marketing division.

i got a big ego me and my friends are competing as we are all new and struggling in various ways but so far im winning in the best grow XD. i just used some of that voodoo juice on my new grow and on my flowering grow as well came home from walking the dogs it seemed to be pushing growth slightly better now but it's really hard to tell because i have no true comparison. when i left home they are all pushing their 2nd nodes out already but it's not fully out yet except 1 which sprouted first the rest are lagging behind by hours 3-6 hours at most. but when i came home it seemed to have pushed the 2nd nodes out even further this could just be naturally though as usually around this time this is when i experience like a little growth spurt before it begins to slow down again.

i was trying to do some research on the type of soils i've experimented with in my past grows apparently ffof doesn't contain any bacteria or microrhizae and i don't think my current soil which is roots organics does either.

all i know is these are some of the best seedlings i've grown consistently thus far with 3 plants per grow except my first. leaves are already about 1/2 the width of the solo cups. what will amaze me even more is how developed the roots are on friday. im going to see probably should but fuck it FOR SCIENCE!. doubt they will be ready for transplanting by then. it would only be day 11 for me.

curious2garden said:

Simple is only better when it is sufficient to the task. Our different growing methods require different inputs. Hence why there is no one simple answer. Usually the correct answer for the grow forums is, "It depends."

I'm full hydro in a coco substrate. I look at what is required to build my own soil and I'd much rather purchase a few bottles and not destroy my manicure.

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Lmao I keep forgetting your a woman. Yah my soul though I've reused many many times and simply gets better as it ages. Generally I dont have to do anything other than water. Once I put the soil back in my barrels I just add composted cow manure and a few other odds and ends. All of which are cheap and last a couple of years. I've got an old rdwc I built hydro is nice but I used megacrop in that setup too lol.

Renfro said:

I use their three part flora series, calimagic and armor si. When I ran advanced nutrients the cost was way higher than a run on GH. I still use Advanced B52 though, it's pretty much the only thing out there like that.

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I also use GH three part flora, and add armor si @.25 to 1ml per litre. dose depends on some accumulation of si.

I have been looking at Advanced B52, and also see some use in calimagic.
This is my base ratio (Per Litre) for Main Bloom Stage at <=1500ppm:
Micro 1 ml (Syringes)
Grow 0.528 ml
Bloom 1.585 ml
Epsom Salt - Magnesium (Mg) 0.4 ml (Plastic Measure Spoons)

How much Calimag would you add to this fert routine?
How is B52 used.

Anybody using Southern Ag Garden Friendly Biological Fungicide?
How much per ltr or Gallon for a little bit of resistance?
I noticed some root rot outside and thought this might help in the case of accidental transfer?

AuBlue said:

I also use GH three part flora, and add armor si @.25 to 1ml per litre. dose depends on some accumulation of si.

I have been looking at Advanced B52, and also see some use in calimagic.
This is my base ratio (Per Litre) for Main Bloom Stage at <=1500ppm:
Micro 1 ml (Syringes)
Grow 0.528 ml
Bloom 1.585 ml
Epsom Salt - Magnesium (Mg) 0.4 ml (Plastic Measure Spoons)

How much Calimag would you add to this fert routine?
How is B52 used.

Anybody using Southern Ag Garden Friendly Biological Fungicide?
How much per ltr or Gallon for a little bit of resistance?
I noticed some root rot outside and thought this might help in the case of accidental transfer?

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im using them at my own dosage but b52 im trying at full strength every watering which is every 3 days i think i need to cut back on it because im starting to see some weird stuff.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme...5/538030980586405918/JPEG_20190124_062244.jpg

you can see that one leaf the edges are fucked up. might be from nutrients but i think it is from heat stress/lights being low. i let the plants grow into the lights and every time i water i raise them. they seem to do okay at 18inches but by the time they grow they might be closer then 18 inches. with my past grow i couldn't use these lights closer then 20 inches. it was a different strain though these are more sativa dominant hybrids. im likely going to be cutting back on the nutrients more maybe do 1/4th each feed. i dont see signs of over watering otherwise and i don't really see any weird colors or anything else for that matter. it's been a week i believe since today was my 4th feed. i see 1 leaf tip on the same plant that is curling down but that is the only one.

AuBlue said:

I also use GH three part flora, and add armor si @.25 to 1ml per litre. dose depends on some accumulation of si.

I have been looking at Advanced B52, and also see some use in calimagic.
This is my base ratio (Per Litre) for Main Bloom Stage at <=1500ppm:
Micro 1 ml (Syringes)
Grow 0.528 ml
Bloom 1.585 ml
Epsom Salt - Magnesium (Mg) 0.4 ml (Plastic Measure Spoons)

How much Calimag would you add to this fert routine?
How is B52 used.

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The amount of calimagic you would run depends on the water quality. Are you using RO water? Whats your water PPM?

I use RO water and I use 100 mL for a 30 gallon tank of nutes. I use 200 mL of B52 for 30 gallons.

Renfro said:

The amount of calimagic you would run depends on the water quality. Are you using RO water? Whats your water PPM?

I use RO water and I use 100 mL for a 30 gallon tank of nutes. I use 200 mL of B52 for 30 gallons.

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how often are you running the b52? most people are telling me to run it every watering ( well that they do at least ) i assume every time since sounds like your growing in hydro

Lethidox said:

how often are you running the b52? most people are telling me to run it every watering ( well that they do at least ) i assume every time since sounds like your growing in hydro

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I use it every time I water, little less than full strength. I'm in soiless mix. Check my grow journal to get the details.

Renfro said:

I use it every time I water, little less than full strength. I'm in soiless mix. Check my grow journal to get the details.

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nice yea i been doing full strength thinking of cutting it back down since i cant really check ppm's will likely invest in a ppm soon would love to see results as i grow and use of nutrients as the plants are consuming it or not as much.

If I remember right the full strength woulda put me around 250 mL for my 30 gallon mix. I'm running 200 mL. They probably don't even need it but I figured why not. I grew a long time with just the flora 3 part and calimagic. Would be nice to see someone experiment with a control and B52 to see if it really does anything lol.

Renfro said:

If I remember right the full strength woulda put me around 250 mL for my 30 gallon mix. I'm running 200 mL. They probably don't even need it but I figured why not. I grew a long time with just the flora 3 part and calimagic. Would be nice to see someone experiment with a control and B52 to see if it really does anything lol.

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yea i need to start making my own damn journals wanting to get into timelapse and stuff like that as well. too much shit i want to try out not enough time or money ):

Renfro said:

The amount of calimagic you would run depends on the water quality. Are you using RO water? Whats your water PPM?

I use RO water and I use 100 mL for a 30 gallon tank of nutes. I use 200 mL of B52 for 30 gallons.

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Catchment water at about 30ppm.
I treat it as RO in calc, close enought.

This is my base ratio (Per Litre) for Main Bloom Stage at <=1500ppm:
Micro 1 ml (Syringes)
Grow 0.528 ml
Bloom 1.585 ml
Epsom Salt - Magnesium (Mg) 0.4 ml (Plastic Measure Spoons)

Maximum GH Bloom used is 1.75x base of 1.585ml = 2.77ml per Ltr.
Your Max Calimag dose is 1.75x base of *0.417ml = 0.73ml per ltr.

*Now I have a base dose for Calmag at 0.417 per Ltr.
Looking at this from cost, it is affordable.

Lethidox said:

im using them at my own dosage but b52 im trying at full strength every watering which is every 3 days i think i need to cut back on it because im starting to see some weird stuff.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme...5/538030980586405918/JPEG_20190124_062244.jpg

you can see that one leaf the edges are fucked up. might be from nutrients but i think it is from heat stress/lights being low. i let the plants grow into the lights and every time i water i raise them. they seem to do okay at 18inches but by the time they grow they might be closer then 18 inches. with my past grow i couldn't use these lights closer then 20 inches. it was a different strain though these are more sativa dominant hybrids. im likely going to be cutting back on the nutrients more maybe do 1/4th each feed. i dont see signs of over watering otherwise and i don't really see any weird colors or anything else for that matter. it's been a week i believe since today was my 4th feed. i see 1 leaf tip on the same plant that is curling down but that is the only one.

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Are you using a mix with strong red leds, keep an eye on any older leaves ageing faster then should.

I was using LED to supplement HPS, but CMH is kicking all arses ATM

AuBlue said:

Are you using a mix with strong red leds, keep an eye on any older leaves ageing faster then should.

I was using LED to supplement HPS, but CMH is kicking all arses ATM

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im using King Plus LED 2000Watt only could afford cheap ass LED's at the time and needed something better ASAP so opted for those ones. later on though i am going to swap for quantum boards 1 for veg and 1 strictly for flowering. trying to upgrade my grow though from 3 plants to 6. i was looking up the cause of that and it almost everyone i read on the sites/videos states it's a light issue/heat issue so i don't think the higher dosage does much but i mean i rather be safe then sorry since i cant check ppm's anyways and plus the plants are fairly small and AN shit aint cheap at the rate im using it i will run dry on most of the supplements maybe after just 2-3 grows. i plan to veg no shorter then 10 weeks unless growth is amazing. so far im about 2 weeks in already on that grow since sprouting.