Adding calmag during flowering

KillsPlants

KillsPlants

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will it be okay to add as I have a calcium def. its a 2-0-0 mix. asking cause nitrogen slows flowering from what I hear. No nutes up to this point
 
thenotsoesoteric

thenotsoesoteric

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KillsPlants said:
will it be okay to add as I have a calcium def. its a 2-0-0 mix. asking cause nitrogen slows flowering from what I hear. No nutes up to this point
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Yes, you can add cal/mag during flowering and no nitrogen doesn't slow down flowering, in fact you still need roughly a 1-1-1 ratio for first couple weeks of flower. If you are running coco, then you really need cal/mag during all stages of growth. I think your issue maybe not feeding the plants yet, I'm sure your plants are reacting to that and not a simply a lack of cal/mag.

If you haven't added nutrients yet then I assume you're in dirt. Is it a built soil or just a store bought bag? You may need to fertilize your plants as they are most likely hungry. If it is built soil or recycled soil then I would have to recommend you to the organics section because they have the knowledge on what to do there. If you are in a store bought soil/soilless like fox farm ocean forest or happy frog, then I recommend you fertilize with a complete fertilizer and see if that helps then try the cal/mag.
 
KillsPlants

KillsPlants

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thenotsoesoteric said:
Yes, you can add cal/mag during flowering and no nitrogen doesn't slow down flowering, in fact you still need roughly a 1-1-1 ratio for first couple weeks of flower. If you are running coco, then you really need cal/mag during all stages of growth. I think your issue maybe not feeding the plants yet, I'm sure your plants are reacting to that and not a simply a lack of cal/mag.

If you haven't added nutrients yet then I assume you're in dirt. Is it a built soil or just a store bought bag? You may need to fertilize your plants as they are most likely hungry. If it is built soil or recycled soil then I would have to recommend you to the organics section because they have the knowledge on what to do there. If you are in a store bought soil/soilless like fox farm ocean forest or happy frog, then I recommend you fertilize with a complete fertilizer and see if that helps then try the cal/mag.
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thanks for the information, I am using miracle grow potting mix 3 months plants are 21 days old. I will take ur advice
 
vostok

vostok

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Cal mag is used also Epsom salts to 'cure' Mg Def. but this Mg def. is an old tree/plant issue unless you use RO water, which strips out the calcium, thru the RO process anyways, and so is best to add every time you feed, just a pinch of cal mag to your feeding at each feed, but if you don't use RO water and are over calcifying your water you will be in shit street ...get a check on your local water through the season from your local water company.
Really please explain to the membership why (N) is required in Bud...? cause in my 45+ years it aint used in the flowering process at all, (N) is used by the plant and the grower, to create body,
volume en masse, or in this case cellulose stuff like leaves and branches

...stop thinking read some books but above all allow the plant to do its thing
 
pk_boosted2

pk_boosted2

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KillsPlants said:
will it be okay to add as I have a calcium def. its a 2-0-0 mix. asking cause nitrogen slows flowering from what I hear. No nutes up to this point
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Excessive nitrogen has adverse effects on flowering but it doesnt "slow plant growth" what it does is it inhibits flowering from starting. So it basically takes longer for your plants to produce bud sites. But thats in extremely heavy N supplementation, not gonna be caused by adding Cal-Mag.

When youre using cal-mag in coco also remember that the process called "cation exchange" occurs where the coco fibers bind the calcium and requires heavier feedings of cal-mag than you would running a soil or peat based medium.

Running at 8-10 ml/gal of a base cal-mag such as Cal-Mag pro from Botanicare or Cali-Magic from Gen Organics for the first few weeks is gonna put you were you need to be in Coco. Depending on your variety and strains, you can stop feeding Cal-Mag around 5th week as the final stages of flowering begin. And you shouldnt need to add any additional Cal-Mag at this time, but if you see deficiencies again (you shouldnt) you can always just run it in a smaller amount or add it back into your feeding regime. BOL!!
 
pk_boosted2

pk_boosted2

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vostok said:
Cal mag is used also Epsom salts to 'cure' Mg Def. but this Mg def. is an old tree/plant issue unless you use RO water, which strips out the calcium, thru the RO process anyways, and so is best to add every time you feed, just a pinch of cal mag to your feeding at each feed, but if you don't use RO water and are over calcifying your water you will be in shit street ...get a check on your local water through the season from your local water company.
Really please explain to the membership why (N) is required in Bud...? cause in my 45+ years it aint used in the flowering process at all, (N) is used by the plant and the grower, to create body,
volume en masse, or in this case cellulose stuff like leaves and branches

...stop thinking read some books but above all allow the plant to do its thing
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Nitrogen is a vital element during all phases of plant growth especially veg. However, its been discovered that more Nitrogen used during flowering for the first few weeks really helps keep your plants green and healthy throughout bloom. While excess Nitrogen inhibits early flower development, you have to remember that the first 2 weeks of bloom are really a transition phase from veg where the needs of the plants at this time begin to double in size and are using vast amounts of resources from within the plant and your feedings in the medium.

Its always recommended to transition feed going into flowering. Your first week of bloom you should still be feeding your plants their regular dose of veg nutrients, and the 2nd week you begin to go 1/2 veg & 1/2 bloom. I find this to work best and helps keep the plants nice and green throughout until your final phase of flowering where you force them to yellow up and get ready for the ripening stage. (people will come on here most likely and tell me im wrong, and im going to ignore them as everyone has their own methods for growing). Some people dont flush out nutrients in the final weeks and some people like myself cut back the last 10-14 days and reduce feedings while focusing on straight water, enzymes and molasses for ripening. There is no one right or wrong way regarding this whatsoever.

But in regards to Nitrogen it is absolutely necessary in proper smounts during early bloom and can make a huge difference in your yield and overall plant health throughout the bloom phase. Those first 2 weeks of flowering are the most i portant part of the entire grow. Its when your plants pack on the size, and produce all of their sites which leads to flower development. Its also usin the most energy and metabolism at this stage and making sure you give it everythinng it will need to push through the next 8-12 weeks is gonna make or break your grow and the results you get. BOL!!
 
stuckonsticky

stuckonsticky

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pk_boosted2 said:
Nitrogen is a vital element during all phases of plant growth especially veg. However, its been discovered that more Nitrogen used during flowering for the first few weeks really helps keep your plants green and healthy throughout bloom. While excess Nitrogen inhibits early flower development, you have to remember that the first 2 weeks of bloom are really a transition phase from veg where the needs of the plants at this time begin to double in size and are using vast amounts of resources from within the plant and your feedings in the medium.

Its always recommended to transition feed going into flowering. Your first week of bloom you should still be feeding your plants their regular dose of veg nutrients, and the 2nd week you begin to go 1/2 veg & 1/2 bloom. I find this to work best and helps keep the plants nice and green throughout until your final phase of flowering where you force them to yellow up and get ready for the ripening stage. (people will come on here most likely and tell me im wrong, and im going to ignore them as everyone has their own methods for growing). Some people dont flush out nutrients in the final weeks and some people like myself cut back the last 10-14 days and reduce feedings while focusing on straight water, enzymes and molasses for ripening. There is no one right or wrong way regarding this whatsoever.

But in regards to Nitrogen it is absolutely necessary in proper smounts during early bloom and can make a huge difference in your yield and overall plant health throughout the bloom phase. Those first 2 weeks of flowering are the most i portant part of the entire grow. Its when your plants pack on the size, and produce all of their sites which leads to flower development. Its also usin the most energy and metabolism at this stage and making sure you give it everythinng it will need to push through the next 8-12 weeks is gonna make or break your grow and the results you get. BOL!!
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I completely agree. You wanna keep all your fans as green as possible without overloading them all the way till about 3 weeks from the end of flower then let the plant use it up on its own. Don'tforget that plants still grow sugar leafs during flowering and in those first couple weeks the plant does a hell of a lot of stretching.
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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pk_boosted2 said:
Excessive nitrogen has adverse effects on flowering but it doesnt "slow plant growth" what it does is it inhibits flowering from starting. So it basically takes longer for your plants to produce bud sites. But thats in extremely heavy N supplementation, not gonna be caused by adding Cal-Mag.

When youre using cal-mag in coco also remember that the process called "cation exchange" occurs where the coco fibers bind the calcium and requires heavier feedings of cal-mag than you would running a soil or peat based medium.

Running at 8-10 ml/gal of a base cal-mag such as Cal-Mag pro from Botanicare or Cali-Magic from Gen Organics for the first few weeks is gonna put you were you need to be in Coco. Depending on your variety and strains, you can stop feeding Cal-Mag around 5th week as the final stages of flowering begin. And you shouldnt need to add any additional Cal-Mag at this time, but if you see deficiencies again (you shouldnt) you can always just run it in a smaller amount or add it back into your feeding regime. BOL!!
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toomp

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TheOriginalKryptonite said:
Old thread, but the answer is simple. Miracle grow soil like most other bought soils is too acidic. Almost guaranteed mag deficiency will show after a few weeks.
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Lime is in mg.
I have only tested ff and never mg so cant say exactly what the ph is but i know it helps
 
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TheOriginalKryptonite

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toomp said:
Lime is in mg.
I have only tested ff and never mg so cant say exactly what the ph is but i know it helps
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It does help when you mix it in from the beginning, use fine dolomite lime. It contains calcium and magnesium. 1-2g per litre of soil. But it still takes time to break down and buffer the ph, good when reusing soil. I use enzymes to try and quicken up the process of breaking down the matter.
 
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toomp

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TheOriginalKryptonite said:
It does help when you mix it in from the beginning, use fine dolomite lime. It contains calcium and magnesium. 1-2g per litre of soil. But it still takes time to break down and buffer the ph, good when reusing soil. I use enzymes to try and quicken up the process of breaking down the matter.
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well as I said. Lime is in Miracle grow.
 
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