Accidental big yield technique, vertical growing, but not exactly ?

davillains

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hello everyone,
I got 14oz from one plant in a 2.5x2.5 tent and 280w Led light, the details with video & harvest pictures are on this thread: http://rollitup.org/t/massive-blue-dream-hso.957438/

All branches had to be supercropped to accomodate the plant's height inside the tent, the result was all buds laid down horizontally gained massive beef probably from the equal light distance. I've made a quick/dirty drawing below to illustrate:

canopy_supercrop.jpg

Could this be a new canopy management thing ? Has anyone tried supercropping the canopy to this end ?
 

gr865

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While that is indeed an impressive biomass, the bud structure is not very becoming / bagable.
Would be interesting for you to try it again and see if the results are the same :hump:
If he is not selling then baggability is not an issue. Though it is nice to pull a big fat one out when friends show up, quality is more important.
This grow did not produce bag appeal like what I have bought in CO but the quality is as good or better than most I have purchased there. I know they produce for bag appeal, but IMHO, they over trim. Using those trim machines seems to beat the hell out of the buds and one can only imagine the amount of Trichs knocked off the finished product.
And biomass, which I like, due to making Cannabis Oil from a combo of buds and shake, I believe is a growers choice. They can do selective defo during the grow to reduce biomass to increase light penetration or leave it on, which, from what I have experienced covers bud sites and reduces light penetration.
I am not looking to get into a defo conversation as everyone has their own opinion on that topic! :wall: :cuss:
But, from the pics of his grow looks like some select defo would help overall production and bag appeal.
@ Devillians, Not knocking you grow bud, you did a bangup job with that amount of space and that amount of light. :clap::hump::clap:

GR
 

davillains

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i think that would promote foxtailing and unwanted lateral bud growth....
@llnknth you are not wrong about the lateral bud growth but I don't think it promotes foxtailing, that happens anyway depending on strain/conditions. The buds on this sativa lack the bag appeal as @OneHitDone mentioned though, I don't think it would be a good technique for commercial growing. I pulled a bud that looked like a hand with fingers ..shit was funny.
For homegrowers that are looking to increase their yield however it's worth further investigation.
 

coreywebster

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I think if you did it before stretch instead of after you would end up with the same weight but better bud density. More light can get to more bud sites that way. The structure would be different, more like the horns of a deer.
I know what you mean about the fingers. One of mine has similar appearance. But I think it was because they were a little too crowded and the stringy branch was in the corner of the tent. The rest of them are pretty dense. Also I got a bit of bleaching on one plant on the tops of the colas. First time I have every had that and it must be the strain. I have had indicas closer to my COBs without ever seeing bleaching.
 

HydroEnthused

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@llnknth you are not wrong about the lateral bud growth but I don't think it promotes foxtailing, that happens anyway depending on strain/conditions. The buds on this sativa lack the bag appeal as @OneHitDone mentioned though, I don't think it would be a good technique for commercial growing. I pulled a bud that looked like a hand with fingers ..shit was funny.
For homegrowers that are looking to increase their yield however it's worth further investigation.
If you lay the colas down horizontally later on in flowering (beyond the start of the 4th week) the bracts separate to reach for the light, apart from the whole bud. Foxtailing is definitely what you get.
Throw those foxtailed buds into a tightly vacuum packed bag (after drying and curing) and maybe that tightens them up a little but many will break apart if they are thoroughly dry. If the technique makes more weight it’s a great method of getting more out of an extraction, appeal be damned.
More yield=More fun...weather it goes in the bag or the column.
 

Cold$moke

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Its been done im sure many times by noobs who underestimated the stretch:)

My reason for this mess was a mother run so i like to run untopped from seed to see how they are naturally.

Beware not my best work but not bad for having 12 or so different strains in this one system lol20151028_232037.jpg
 

macsnax

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I think if you did it before stretch instead of after you would end up with the same weight but better bud density. More light can get to more bud sites that way. The structure would be different, more like the horns of a deer.
I know what you mean about the fingers. One of mine has similar appearance. But I think it was because they were a little too crowded and the stringy branch was in the corner of the tent. The rest of them are pretty dense. Also I got a bit of bleaching on one plant on the tops of the colas. First time I have every had that and it must be the strain. I have had indicas closer to my COBs without ever seeing bleaching.
Google "hash tips"
 

Overgrowthegov

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I do this all the time when I run out of vertical space or get too close to the lights and can't raise them any more. The bud structure does indeed look different but it depends on the strain also. Last strain Blue Cheese foxtailed bigtime when I pinched the tops and laid them down. I find it does increase yield, so I do it whenever a plant gets too tall.
 

charface

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So if a bud were bent down and held down, i see how fox tailing could happen but beyond that does the underside of the bud ripen at the same rate as the top?
 

charface

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So if a bud were bent down and held down, i see how fox tailing could happen but beyond that does the underside of the bud ripen at the same rate as the top?
 

Overgrowthegov

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So if a bud were bent down and held down, i see how fox tailing could happen but beyond that does the underside of the bud ripen at the same rate as the top?
IME, yes it does. Strain dependent with regards to foxtailing, again that's IME. For some strains the buds split into several and almost start their own individual development foxtailing. You can see it in this pic of Blue Cheese. This pheno did this with every bud laid down, and there wasn't too much heat or too close to the light, it was with QB lights.20180714_215046.jpg
 
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