A Recipe for Success - Coco Nutrients to Get

I see people always wondering what nutrients to get, and I've recently been fortunate enough to spend a lot of time talking to some very knowledgable growers; ones who have run side-by-side tests of products.

I want all bud to be great, so here is a coco recipe for success.

Use Canna Coco medium.
-Veg-
Canna Coco A/ B
Cannazyme
Rhyzotonic
Roots Organic

-Bloom-
Canna Coco A/B
Cannazyme (first 2-3 weeks)
Rhyzotonic (first 2-3 weeks)
Open Sesame (first 2-3 weeks)
Hydroplex (week 1 - 6 roughly)
Organic Guano (little 20$ bottle) (week 1 - 7 roughly)
Gravity (for 1 week after buds stop expanding - stop hydroplex when you do it)
Beastie Bloomz (late flowering)
Bud Candy (can start around week 6 down to just using water and bud candy)

and foliar feed once a week with the Dutch Master line, penetrator/saturator + folitech + max fx (or can just use a little bud candy for the carbs that max fx is)

Anddd lastly, no need to do any long flush. When you're growing with the proper PPM and tapering up during the main budding and tapering down in the last few weeks, towards the end you can simply taper off to just water + bud candy and then the last two days, just pH'd water.

Thinking about a coco grow. Thanks for the post, but man that looks expensive with all of those nutrients. I was thinking the same as what you listed for the veg, but the bloom has many more added. Is there a less expensive way?

I hear ya man. It's a lot of shit, but that's pretty much everything you could want for flowering. You don't need them all, but each one will help in its own way.

You could start out with Canna Coco A/B, and just work in the additives as you can afford them. Hydroplex is like $26 and is used during most of flowering, so I'd say that's a good way to start. Gravity is a hardener for when your buds stop swelling. Bud Candy provides carbs via tons of sugars like molasses.

What kind of organic guano would you recommend and also which roots organic product? Also how long and around what week should gravity be ran? week 3-4 or 6-7? Those are the 2 time periods that I have noticed the bulking, but more so in around week 6. Thx.

caseyg2007 said:

What kind of organic guano would you recommend and also which roots organic product? Also how long and around what week should gravity be ran? week 3-4 or 6-7? Those are the 2 time periods that I have noticed the bulking, but more so in around week 6. Thx.

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Ah, sorry. It's called Organa Guano. I'll link pics of all my nutes and you can see it. You can also see the Roots Organic in there too. It's a small circular tub. I'll link a pic of a way to use the nutes too. You want to use Gravity for one week once you notice it completely stop bulking. So around 6 - 8 or w/e depending on the strain. Stop the Hydroplex and give it Gravity for a week to harden the bud.

Thank you kind sir. I noticed it won't cost much more than if I went strictly canna, and I'm always down for experimenting. So I figure my next purchase I'll give it a whirl. Also I'm thinkin of substituting Sweet in place of bud candy. Do you think that will have any ill effects? Also out of the blue have you had any experience with grow big hydro from foxfarm in hydro? Thanks much appreciated.

caseyg2007 said:

Thank you kind sir. I noticed it won't cost much more than if I went strictly canna, and I'm always down for experimenting. So I figure my next purchase I'll give it a whirl. Also I'm thinkin of substituting Sweet in place of bud candy. Do you think that will have any ill effects? Also out of the blue have you had any experience with grow big hydro from foxfarm in hydro? Thanks much appreciated.

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Cool cool. Yeah, I heard Bud Candy works better than Sweet but Sweet should work pretty well. It's like my situation with Overdrive. Gravity is better, but I may as well use Overdrive in its place while I have it.

I've never used foxfarms in hydro. I've tried Sensi from AN and CNS17 from Botanicare other than what I'm using now.

Here's mine:

Total Mix for ~130L (~34 gallons) Enough for 12 plants in 3 gallon planters with 10L per planter:
Canna Coco 100L
Vermiculite 25L (because I don't like the glass dust in my media)
4lbs GH Rare Earth (14 grams per liter)
0.5 lbs. Crushed Oyster Shells
0.5 lbs. Dolomite Lime
4oz AN Great White

Macro-Nutrient System:
Canna Coco A + B

Rhizosphere Support System:
Canna Rhizotonic
Canna CannaZym (new formula)

Micro-Nutrient System:
Humboldt Nutrients Sea Mag

Macro-Nutrient Support Supplements:
Humboldt Nutrients Deuce-Deuce
Canna PK 13/14

Bloom Supplements:
Canna Boost Accelerator
GH Liquid KoolBloom
Emerald Triangle Gravity
Emerald Triangle Snow Storm Ultra
Humboldt Nutrients Honey ES

Chelating Agents:
Humboldt FlavorFul

PPM Level Suggestions (strain dependent):
(0 to 10) Early Veg - 250ppm (mostly just Canna A+B with Rhizotonic) \ pH 5.5 to 5.7
(10 to 20) Mid Veg - 600ppm (75% strength veg nutrients) Boost Magnesium and, in some plants, Potassium \ pH 5.8 to 5.9
(20 to 40) Late Veg - 800ppm (Full strength veg nutrients) \ pH 5.7 to 5.9
(40 to 60) Early Flowering - 800ppm to 1000ppm (begin using bloom boosters) Boost Magnesium \ pH 5.9 to 6.0
(60 to 75) PK Boost Flowering - 650ppm (50% nutrient levels with 4ml per gallon every other feeding of PK 13/14) \ pH 5.7 to 5.8
(75 to 85) Mid Flowering - 700ppm to 800ppm (Nutrient levels at 75% with CannaZym) Boost Magnesium and possibly potassium \ pH 5.8 to 5.9
(85 to 90) Gravity Boost Flowering - 100ppm (Gravity and Snow Storm with <10% of nutrient levels using RO water only) \ pH 5.7 to 5.9
(90 to 100+) Late Flowering - 400ppm to 500ppm (50% nutrient levels) Phosphate boost for the first few feedings \ pH 5.7 to 5.9
Last week - 0ppm to 100ppm (extremely low levels of A+B with Honey ES) \ pH 5.7 to 5.9

Start in nothing larger than a party cup. I prefer seedling starting trays. Transplant to 10L of coco in 3 gallon smartpot when the plants are established and ready. Usually around day 15 to 20.

After 40 days in the larger planter I begin to offset clean waterings with solution feedings. Feed 3 times, then water. During the use of Gravity and Snow Storm every other feeding is water; 2 waterings and 3 solution feedings over 5 days.

Daily waterings/feeding of 1000ml minimum, done slowly and to saturation with an extremely small amount of run-off. Up to 3000ml during late flowering when the plants are larger. If the plant looks like it is suffering I flush with 5000ml of RO water and then saturate with regular strength nutrient solution. Deficiencies are usually toxicity related in coco, coco holds a lot of Calcium and Potassium which will compete for uptake with Magnesium. Calcium is an immobile element and can build to toxic levels depending on water quality and the plants environmental response to heat and humidity. For this reason a slow but constant amount of calcium is available to the plant through the Oyster shells, the Coco A+B, and the tap water. Magnesium is the only element I find to commonly be in short supply with coco grows. Humboldt nutrients Sea Mag and Organicare Huvega are the only two products on the market for this micro-nutrient in a stand-alone format (not cal-mag).

Snow crash that was a good bit of info thanks am just getting started and am using coco and the canna ab rhizotonic but have not decided on the rest yet.

TechnaFlora Recipe for sucess starter kit is perfect for small grows and works great. It comes with the full line and its like 50 bucks.

hi friends,
im totally having a mag dificency.
im using 10 ml/gal of each coco canna a and b every 24 hrs.
my plants are moms and are 3' tall..
i gave some seamag and within hrs. got some green showing...
but were do i go from here?
im using r.o. water 000ppms
the plants are several varities indicas sativas and mixes.
im thinking i need to supliment @ least mag was going to do calmag however SNOW CRASH i think is onto the right idea..
canna coco A has 5% calcium added were most companies have 1-2% and B has
1% mag..
now you coco growers will know they do this cause of cec of coco"holds calcium"
So is snow crash get away with no calmag and r.o. water cause he suppliments with sea mag?
and if this is answer how any ml/gal would you add?
today i added 1ml/gal and watch my ppm meter every ml that i applied ppm went up by 20ppms humboldt recomends 2ml/gal..
however when you test tap its 100-200 & most people supplimentt there r.o water with cal mag 100 ppm or 2.5 ml/gal -5ml/gal 200 ppm
whats the groups opion?

Canna A and B are garbage. You will be chasing a deficiency in iron and possibly calicum the entire time. The canna coco substrate is crap as well. Go with Bcuzz coco and floranova bloom. It has 4% calcium and the iron needed for coco.

aeterrabyte said:

Canna A and B are garbage. You will be chasing a deficiency in iron and possibly calicum the entire time. The canna coco substrate is crap as well. Go with Bcuzz coco and floranova bloom. It has 4% calcium and the iron needed for coco.

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Canna a/b has 4.4% Calcium 1% Mag and must have some iron BCUZZ I don't have any deficiencies at all ! So what's up with that?