4 Firemen shot 2 killed

doublejj

doublejj

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The proliforation (sp) of guns in general. The whole 'gun in every corner' attitide we have here.
 
MuyLocoNC

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doublejj said:
4 Firemen were shot, 2 killed, responding to a fire in NY.
Link:http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/24/16125861-4-firefighters-shot-2-dead-after-responding-to-blaze?lite
I guess the NRA would say, "arm all the firehouses" now!
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Yes, let's jump on the "dumbass" bandwagon and blame the NRA for EVERY killing. After all, the NRA wrote the 2nd amendment, didn't they?

The NRA has 4.3+ million members and are exploding with new members, to the tune of 8-9 thousand a day. They represent the concerns of their members, that's it. If you don't support their position, don't join. But for those that have joined, they are being represented in EXACTLY the way they want to be represented, or they can cancel their membership.

You libs are wasting your time. Ice skating uphill. It ain't gonna happen. You might, MIGHT get a meaningless "scary military look" weapons ban and you might even get a meaningless "high capacity" magazine ban. But, you won't get all semiautomatics banned and killers will just carry a couple extra clips. Changing a clip takes mere seconds and won't change the outcome in the least. If bigger magazines equals more efficient killing, why are our infantry soldiers issued the smaller 10 round versions?

But, at least we can waste time on this rather than doing something that will actually work. Those "scary military look" weapons scare me. They may be exactly the same, functionally, as the ones that don't look military. But, ban them anyways...cause the liberal douchebags on the TV said so.

Idiots.
 
Adonis

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That is an emotional response, weak minded people respond emotionally without rational thought or critical thinking. I know one thing, if you were staring down the barrel of an evil mans' gun, you'd be wishing you would have had your own.
 
RetiredMatthebrute

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doublejj said:
4 Firemen were shot, 2 killed, responding to a fire in NY.
Link:http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/24/16125861-4-firefighters-shot-2-dead-after-responding-to-blaze?lite
I guess the NRA would say, "arm all the firehouses" now!
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maybe these firefighters should be armed. everyone has thier own take on guns and i prefer not to get into a debatoe over it but do you really think not allowing citizens to lawfully own firearms are going to keep them out of the hands of criminals?

how would you feel if this country went into civil war or was attacked and you were not allowed a means to defend yourself, your home and your family because guns shouldnt be allowed in civilian posesion?

anyways just my thoughts.
 
Samwell Seed Well

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RetiredMatthebrute said:
maybe these firefighters should be armed. everyone has thier own take on guns and i prefer not to get into a debatoe over it but do you really think not allowing citizens to lawfully own firearms are going to keep them out of the hands of criminals?

how would you feel if this country went into civil war or was attacked and you were not allowed a means to defend yourself, your home and your family because guns shouldnt be allowed in civilian posesion?

anyways just my thoughts.
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you think people who fight fires and save lives should have ammunition on them as they run around in god knows what temperature environments . . .don't think just give em a gun . . smart guy . . . .


and synco4 , are you downplaying the death of two public servicemen because it might make you have to change your life . . .when they are dead . . . no life . . .shame man shame, have some balls to at least express sympathy for their families loss, before you trivialize the issue as a media/political ploy

which of course it is, but that doesnt make it less of an issue . . i bet firefighters get shoot at by law abiding residents as much as none law abiding aka "evil man" in the service of this country
 
doublejj

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I cancelled my NRA membership years ago, they are funded by the gun manufactures and represent their interests.
I'm not anti-gun. I own plenty. But I have to ask myself, do we have enough 'stable' people in our society for all the guns we have?.........The answer has been coming back, "no".
The definition of insanity is to do the same thing, expecting a different result.................Well what were doing ain't working, so? Are we insane?
 
squarepush3r

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but seriously, the real problem is why are these fcked up people in society doing this? That's what should be the focus IMO.
 
doublejj

doublejj

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I agree with you, but until we get a handle on it, we should error on the side of caution, and not sell them assault weapons.
 
N

NoDrama

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you can ban assault weapons, but you cannot ban the ones that already exist. Ban away, it won't fix anything. You can ban high capacity magazines, but you cannot ban the ones that already exist. All those "assault Weapon" that are already out there will always be legal to own and use, no laws can make it any other way. Maybe if they ban em all in a few hundred years most of them will be too old to use anymore.
 
st0wandgrow

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MuyLocoNC said:
Yes, let's jump on the "dumbass" bandwagon and blame the NRA for EVERY killing. After all, the NRA wrote the 2nd amendment, didn't they?

The NRA has 4.3+ million members and are exploding with new members, to the tune of 8-9 thousand a day. They represent the concerns of their members, that's it. If you don't support their position, don't join. But for those that have joined, they are being represented in EXACTLY the way they want to be represented, or they can cancel their membership.

You libs are wasting your time. Ice skating uphill. It ain't gonna happen. You might, MIGHT get a meaningless "scary military look" weapons ban and you might even get a meaningless "high capacity" magazine ban. But, you won't get all semiautomatics banned and killers will just carry a couple extra clips. Changing a clip takes mere seconds and won't change the outcome in the least. If bigger magazines equals more efficient killing, why are our infantry soldiers issued the smaller 10 round versions?

But, at least we can waste time on this rather than doing something that will actually work. Those "scary military look" weapons scare me. They may be exactly the same, functionally, as the ones that don't look military. But, ban them anyways...cause the liberal douchebags on the TV said so.

Idiots.
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Where was the op blaming the NRA for this murder?? He stated that the NRA may now suggest having firemen carry weapons, because that was THEIR (the NRA) response to the school shooting in CT ..... add more guns in the form of armed guards.

"But, at least we can waste time on this rather than doing something that will actually work"

By virtue of you owning guns you clearly know what will work, and everyone else is an ignorant moron on the subject, so lets have it. What is it that will actually work?
 
MuyLocoNC

MuyLocoNC

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st0wandgrow said:
Where was the op blaming the NRA for this murder?? He stated that the NRA may now suggest having firemen carry weapons, because that was THEIR (the NRA) response to the school shooting in CT ..... add more guns in the form of armed guards.

"But, at least we can waste time on this rather than doing something that will actually work"

By virtue of you owning guns you clearly know what will work, and everyone else is an ignorant moron on the subject, so lets have it. What is it that will actually work?
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There has been an onslaught of blame being piled on the NRA. The fact he even mentioned them in regards to this story is an obvious extension of the current liberal tactic.

While I may have ideas that could hinder the effectiveness and frequency of mass killings, that wasn't the focus of my post. You, other members on RIU, the MSM and many liberal figureheads (including Dear Leader) have advanced several ideas for "bans" as the solution. That being the case, I don't have to offer alternatives to comment on the effectiveness of those proposals. "We have to do something, even if that something is ineffective and stupid" is not an argument I accept. If STUPID is proposed, STUPID it shall be called.

If you can disagree with my arguments as to the ineffectiveness of your proposals, please do. But, asking for alternatives does nothing to strengthen your position.

I wouldn't call everyone on the other side morons, many of them are uninformed, useful idiots and many are simply scared. But, banning a weapon because it LOOKS like a weapon it is not, yeah, that's moronic.
 
BRabiej

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squarepush3r said:


but seriously, the real problem is why are these fcked up people in society doing this? That's what should be the focus IMO.
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I'm going to say these people are products of there environments abuse, racism, bullying ETC at some point (some people not all) get pushed to there limits and take out there problems on innocent people I'm not saying its right but I can see where people have had enough of this cruel world and take out there pain on others.

If you want to blame something blame the US for becoming the ugly, money hungry, cruel, insensitive beast it has become and I don't blame the government I blame the citizens that have raised generations of disgusting people that have no manners, morals or compassion for other human life.

Just a thought.
 
Adonis

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doublejj said:
I cancelled my NRA membership years ago, they are funded by the gun manufactures and represent their interests.
I'm not anti-gun. I own plenty. But I have to ask myself, do we have enough 'stable' people in our society for all the guns we have?.........The answer has been coming back, "no".
The definition of insanity is to do the same thing, expecting a different result.................Well what were doing ain't working, so? Are we insane?
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That is such a stupid thing to say. The NRA is funded by 5 million members all paying dues. Gun manufacturers certainly do support and contribute, but what would you expect them to do, protest? Your definition is not the definition of insanity, that is just an old cliche, people who have not a single bit of education in human behavior use that cliche. You're facts are incorrect, what we are doing IS working, every day nearly 4500 people are kept alive with guns, thousands less are hurt by them, but for some reason you don't research THAT (though it is clear you don't research anything). It is wise to use critical thought before commenting, it will keep you from appearing ignorant.
 
Adonis

Adonis

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BRabiej said:
I'm going to say these people are products of there environments abuse, racism, bullying ETC at some point (some people not all) get pushed to there limits and take out there problems on innocent people I'm not saying its right but I can see where people have had enough of this cruel world and take out there pain on others.

If you want to blame something blame the US for becoming the ugly, money hungry, cruel, insensitive beast it has become and I don't blame the government I blame the citizens that have raised generations of disgusting people that have no manners, morals or compassion for other human life.

Just a thought.
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Well said BRabiej
 
st0wandgrow

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Adonis said:
That is such a stupid thing to say. The NRA is funded by 5 million members all paying dues. Gun manufacturers certainly do support and contribute, but what would you expect them to do, protest? Your definition is not the definition of insanity, that is just an old cliche, people who have not a single bit of education in human behavior use that cliche. You're facts are incorrect, what we are doing IS working, every day nearly 4500 people are kept alive with guns, thousands less are hurt by them, but for some reason you don't research THAT (though it is clear you don't research anything). It is wise to use critical thought before commenting, it will keep you from appearing ignorant.
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Would you say that the NRA's primary motive is to represent it's members, the gun manufacturer's, or both?
 
st0wandgrow

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"There has been an onslaught of blame being piled on the NRA. The fact he even mentioned them in regards to this story is an obvious extension of the current liberal tactic."


So, you're just speculating here. Got it.


"While I may have ideas that could hinder the effectiveness and frequency of mass killings, that wasn't the focus of my post. You, other members on RIU, the MSM and many liberal figureheads (including Dear Leader) have advanced several ideas for "bans" as the solution. That being the case, I don't have to offer alternatives to comment on the effectiveness of those proposals. "We have to do something, even if that something is ineffective and stupid" is not an argument I accept. If STUPID is proposed, STUPID it shall be called.


Instead of offering some better alternatives, you'd prefer to just call names. Got it.


"If you can disagree with my arguments as to the ineffectiveness of your proposals, please do. But, asking for alternatives does nothing to strengthen your position."


What are my proposals, and who said I'm looking to strengthen my position?
 
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