thanks thumper, i do try to get a decent yield most of the time, this recent pollen chuck was aimed as a 'short term heavy yielding' breeding session, yet im not sure what will pan out of that? not being a commercial grower i grow for my family and relatives that inhabit the surrounding areas & some of them can chuff through a fair bit when they want, a lot of the previous chucks were/are light to medium yielders & this last few yrs have been struggling to keep it up to them, hows your frame setup going now?