2010 South Carolina Outdoor Grow Show

someone else

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hey someone else i just read your entire thread and I must say bravo! very impressive grow and good job on the journal.

dont worry about that seed your bud looked sensi dank so im sure if you find any more they will be few and far between.

cheers to a wonderful harvest!

Thanks Larry, although I'm actually really excited I found a seed, and I'll be even more excited if I can find another. :weed:


One big regret from this year is not at least producing regular seeds from the Sour Diesel and G13/Haze strains.

It's so sad because I had great phenos to work with too.

Unfortunately, I focused my breeding experiments this year on producing feminized G13/Haze seeds, something I haven't seen a lot of general growers attempt.

I failed.

I used too high of a ratio of Gibberellic Acid (650 PPM I think), which caused the lower branches to turn upward, as if they were stretching to find light directly above them....or escape the solution I sprayed on them.

I was so disappointed in my failure that I just gave up breeding them, as by that time, I only had 3 G13/Haze female left, with no males, and didn't want to continue messing with what I had.

If I can find another seed, I at least have a chance to end up with both female and male genes.

I hadn't planned on picking up more G13/Haze seeds, but I think I can make G13/Haze work where I'm going next season.

It's been exactly a month since I pulled all the plants, and of all the weed I've smoked since then, this is the first seed I've found.

Actually, I do remember accidentally smoking a beaner one night, that unmistakable burning-seed smell wafting throughout the air. I kind of ignored it at the time, as I couldn't believe there would be a seed in this bud.

So if that's at least two beaners, there has to be more. I'm a little obsessed with seeds and breeding at the moment, so it really put a smile on my face to be able to save these G13/Haze genetics.

:-D
 

LarryTheStoner

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well im glad to hear you were pleased with your results.

Im sorry you were not able to carry on your genetics. I know what its like cutting down that special pheno that you will probably never see again :( .

Hopefully the seed you found is a female and you could save a clone or you could stumble upon another seed in your batch and successfully breed the two.

either way im glad to see you were successful with your grow.

I live in south eastern NC and I am planning a similar sized outdoor grow for the upcoming 2011 summer. I have experience indoors but have never grown outdoor in this region.
is there a particular strain you would recommend for our part of the south? I know besides animals and bugs the weather is usually an outdoor growers biggest obstacle to overcome. I know strain selection is crucial to the success of any garden so im hoping your experience with your strains could guide me in the right direction.

may your winter be shorter than last year and nugs grow fat as pumpkins
-Larry
 

someone else

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well im glad to hear you were pleased with your results.

Im sorry you were not able to carry on your genetics. I know what its like cutting down that special pheno that you will probably never see again :( .

Hopefully the seed you found is a female and you could save a clone or you could stumble upon another seed in your batch and successfully breed the two.

either way im glad to see you were successful with your grow.

I live in south eastern NC and I am planning a similar sized outdoor grow for the upcoming 2011 summer. I have experience indoors but have never grown outdoor in this region.
is there a particular strain you would recommend for our part of the south? I know besides animals and bugs the weather is usually an outdoor growers biggest obstacle to overcome. I know strain selection is crucial to the success of any garden so im hoping your experience with your strains could guide me in the right direction.

may your winter be shorter than last year and nugs grow fat as pumpkins
-Larry
Hey thanks for the kind sentiments Larry...I hope it's female and I can make clones too!

Thanks for the positivity; I sometimes think RIU is nothing but a collection of "mine's bigger than yours" kind of comments, so it's nice to get some feedback from someone with an active cranium and some original thoughts. :-)

I know the area you're talking about, and you should be fine. If you decide to go with buckets or some large container for your plants, you should be fine no matter what you grow.

The biggest obstacle that I found was working with the native soil, and getting it to drain property.

Even after replacing the native soil with a much better soil mix, I lost over 60% of my young seedlings because the roots were drowning in mucky and never-drying soil.

The clay acts like a natural water barrier, where I planted at least, so even if you replace the soil, any excessive rain that comes will take several weeks to dry out. In the meantime, plants that are subjected to such supersaturation stunt and just spin their wheels; not growing and barely surviving.

I would recommend raised beds to you Larry. You'll get great drainage, the roots will be able to freely move, and your plants will grow larger because of it.

(do an ADVANCED SEARCH in the upper right hand corner if you need info on 'raised beds')

Also, a nice side benefit is that eventually watering at that one spot will slowly loosen up the clay soil below the beds, and allow the roots in the raised bed to eventually penetrate through the native clay hell...at least the first 6 inches or so. After the first 6-12 inches, the clay here at least is solid like a rock, virtually impenetrable, and the roots won't be able to penetrate.

But it's important that the roots are able to spread out laterally, and if the roots have a chance to penetrate the clay soil beneath the beds, they'll stretch and grow enough to give you more additional size and healthier plants.

As far as strains are concerned, you can grow a lot more than I could up north. The biggest thing you have to watch for are pure indica's, in my opinion. Indica's can have tight, dense nugs, and it's these kind of nugs that mold first.

I would choose a sativa/indica hybrid. Take advantage of the weather here, and grow something that will finish anytime in October, the last good month of growing we have here. Many Haze's take well over 10 weeks to finish. My G13/Haze could have probably gone another week if it were healthier, and I harvested October 10th. A pure sativa Haze would still be out in the fields as I write this, attempting to finish flowering.

You could pretty much grow anything here, but if you do go with a Haze, check to make sure it isn't a pure Haze, or it might not finish in time, even here in the Southeast.

Look for strains that are successful in wet/humid environments, as you know how hellishly humid it gets here in the summers. Sativa's can handle it, just be sure you don't get a strain that take 13 weeks to finish, or you might not. Also watch out for Kush strains. They are awesome, but often require drier conditions then we can give them outdoors here.

Good luck brother, and look forward to seeing your grow thread on here!
 

someone else

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I forgot to mention to make sure you have some sort of barrier/protection for your plants. Either a physical fence, or one of those liquid fences. I've heard a LOT of mixed reviews on the liquid fences. You know a real fence will work...it's just stealth that people worry about.

This is what I used last year:

Easy Gardener Ross 7-by-100-Foot Deer Netting




I can't tell you how many time I forgot a portion of this fence was up this last summer, and walked full-stride right into it. It's virtually invisible after about 50 feet, and that's looking at a downward angle at the plot/fencing setup...something similar to what a Heli would see them from.

I lost most of my seedlings to deer and poor-drainage early, but as soon as I installed the fence around my plot perimeter, I didn't have a single deer or other animal problem the rest of the year. There were so many deer near my plot, that I would literally hear them get up from their deer-bed as I walked toward the plants...virtually every visit out there.

This stuff works and it's $20.
 

LarryTheStoner

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thanks for all the good tips and advice. I have done some reading up on raised beds and it seems like they have been used with great success.

I think we have better soil here NC than you do in SC. A few of my buddies have successfully grown in the ground up here so I think that will be less of a problem for me than it was for you. I live close to the beach so its a tad sandy but i believe it will be ok.

I will stay focused on choosing a good strain for the climate here. Im planning on staggering lots of Autos to provide me with bud earlier than i would receive from my photoperiod plants (I like the idea of smaller plants for helping with stealth also). Along with the autos I will be growing some full sized plants too so I can hopefully achieve the yield that autos can not offer.

Im assuming the area that I live in is less rural than your area so im hoping 3-4 small plots could give me a better chance of securing a harvest.

thanks again for the great response I hope your nugs are curing up nice
 

someone else

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I think we have better soil here NC than you do in SC. A few of my buddies have successfully grown in the ground up here so I think that will be less of a problem for me than it was for you. I live close to the beach so its a tad sandy but i believe it will be ok.

Yes, the soil is closer to a loam/sandy/swampy quality along the eastern part of NC, and kudos to you because that'll drain so much more efficiently then the solid clay here. That's good you have friends in the area that can offer you local advice.

I'm not from the the south at all, so growing here was about as big of a shock as the culture shock I had when I first moved here.

You're a lucky dude. Poor soil quality and the cost of physically humping in new dirt were difficult variables for me.

Im assuming the area that I live in is less rural than your area...
You might be surprised.

:wink:


When I went out to my plot, I felt I had little more than an hour that I could spend out there, before too many cars had driven by my car to be comfortable.



Yet my plot location was double protected visually from all sides, and even more cumbersome and difficult to get to (if you didn't know where you were going...hehe).

Guerrilla farming means dealing with the stress of being discovered while out at the plots, which grows more and more as the season progresses.

But that's part of the challenge and reward for successfully navigating a grow season, far from your locale.



One last piece of advice; get your water situation straightened out A.S.A.P. if not sooner. :-)

I humped in, from home, 90% of the water my plants received last year. We had 6 inches less rain this summer than the average.

I knew I was gonna have to do that, so I accepted it for the relatively small garden I had, and humped in 15 gallons of water every 3 days or so.

I'm in shape, yet it was a good workout, especially when it was 90F+ with 80% humidity in the middle of the day for 3 or 4 months.

5 gallons of water weighs roughly 42 pounds, and how far you have to carry it can be a variable that you need to pay attention to.
 

scstoner123

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just read this entire thread. all 53 pages. im also in sc and i know im super late but i hope your safe and still growing. thanks for all the info
 
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