2 600 watt or 1 1000 watt lights

from what I have seen of led they aren't even close to hid.

I wish they were. I really do.

A grower with any light can get .5 gpw or less,a skilled grower can get .5 and above 1 gpw...just look at Heath Robinson and many of my friends on ICmag.


If you get .5 gpw from a 1kw bulb that's 500 grams or Just shy of 18 ounces.

If another grower with more skill using a 600w light gets 1 gpw that's 600 grams which is 21.4 ounces.

this threads getting stooopid. I could say I get twenty grams per watt. who would know the difference?

Well first off 20 gpw is not even attainable lmao!

It's funny when people choose to deny facts.

Ou8aCracker2 said:

Well first off 20 gpw is not even attainable lmao!

It's funny when people choose to deny facts.

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look knucklehead.

I've used both...like I said. and the 1ks produce more...hands down.

with less efficiency....YES!

happy now??? no?

IDGAF

Don't get all bent out of shape Joe.

Let me ask you a serious question...how much weight do you personally get per 1kw light?

PSHHSHHH! do what you want man

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Wow,you can't even answer a serious question Joe?!


IMO part of growing is growing as efficently as possible to lower production costs.

thanks to you all for your thoughts and opinions . I thinks I am gonna stick to the 1000 watt for now and possibly pick up one more and yes I have the horticulture bulb

Ou8aCracker2 said:

Wow,you can't even answer a serious question Joe?!


IMO part of growing is growing as efficently as possible to lower production costs.

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ok ok I'll bite.
I can't answer because you just don't get it.

Anyone with experience will tell you that gpw is probably the LEAST accurate way to measure efficiency possible.

KWH/gram is what matters. I could probably pull 4 gpw off a 1k if I wanted to veg for six months.

If you veg for longer than a week you really shouldn't speak to efficiency.

oh, and lets not forget to factor in differing flowering durations. Which is more efficient; an 8 week indie or a 12 week sat?

it's totally objective and there is no definite answer.

If you had flowered with both 1ks or 600's you would see the difference in cola size. It is obvious which produces more.

and your ridiculous assertion that 66w/sqft is the max that a plant can take is telling on your experience as well.

how many lumens/sq. ft do you think a plant gets on a south facing slope in norcal?

oh and lets not forget to add into the discussion all the associated costs of running a sealed room. Ac/dehumidifiying, fans, on and on and on.

yes, lets talk efficiency

I didn't say 66w is the max a plant can take,just that it is the recommended max as above and beyond that cooling becomes a serious issue and PITA and you'll run into light bleaching and burn.

I used to run 80w per square foot of canopy back in the day,that's how I know this.

Good way to avoid the question at hand though.

Bigger buds isn't always better.It's about finding a happy medium between quality and quantity,not just quantity.From there you can tweak it out and try to push out all the quantity you strain,environment,and skill can.

So one more time...on average,what does a 1kw light average you in weight?

again, you are missing the point. and I will not answer. The real question is

how long do you veg?

Depends on style of growing Joe.

If I'm doing a horizontal/flat high density SOG no more than 1 week,2 weeks maximum.

If doing a horizontal SCRoG,about a month,maybe longer,depends on the strain.

Doing vertical donuts/vert SCRoG,anywhere from 1 to 2 months.

So,I've answered your question,now answer mine.

if all you are concerned about is efficiency then I don't understand why you would do the second two

two 600 over the 1000 . why its much easy to cool 2 the yield difference form the 600 to the 1000 is marginal . uses less electric can shut 1 off. I actually seem to pull more yield gpw with a 600 vs 1000 because I have to raise the 1000 so much higher then the 600. another reason more surface area 2 600 . also you can stage the plants with 2 lights. ok the bad 2 lights compared to one. the start up cost . you need to but 2 of every thing cost 2 times as much . I switched all my 1000 watt hps to 600 last summer except for 1 because its digital. and im not looking back. best change I have made .

Madfrog you are right on 100% bro. i have outdoor growing experience but am learning the lights. a friend of mine has 6 rooms setup all 8x8 he has it all. and nothing compares to his 1000watt hortilux. he wants to make a room into cmh 8 400 watt's i should him the stats of spectrum from jointed. and he was impressed. but i told him to wait im gonna test them first. i have a smaller room and wont take as many. besides i want to come clsoe to what he has. his 1000 watt grows ive held a 1 oz bud a few times in my hand. lmao. you cant get that with anything else but the sun. so Madfrog is doing the right thing. and if he needs advise on anything i hope he doesn't have to deal with this bs again. im gonna watch tv with gf and you all have a great night.

Madfrog56 said:

thanks to you all for your thoughts and opinions . I thinks I am gonna stick to the 1000 watt for now and possibly pick up one more and yes I have the horticulture bulb

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Just remember a one ounce bud has a big stem in the middle.

Joe,still avoiding my question lol!

Well for one when using SCRoG you bend/train/manipulate the plant so that each brach becomes it's own main cola instead of having just a few tops and tgen a bunch of lower buds that won't be as dense or way as much.You trim everything under the screen so no larf/fluffernuff.

And growing vertical allows the best useage of all light and gives solid nug from top to bottom of each and every branch,so no larf.It also bumps up bottom line yields.

Just answer the question Joe,or are you scared too?

kinddiesel said:

the yield difference form the 600 to the 1000 is marginal . I actually seem to pull more yield gpw with a 600 vs 1000 because I have to raise the 1000 so much higher then the 600..

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i can get away with 12" clearance hood to canopy with the 8" xxxls and a 1k cooled without burning. I raise them a bit to give more coverage though.

while with the 600 same hood I have to keep it @ 12" or less otherwise intensity drops off too much.

they both have their place for me

so we disagree

Ou8aCracker2 said:

Just remember a one ounce bud has a big stem in the middle.

Joe,still avoiding my question lol!

Well for one when using SCRoG you bend/train/manipulate the plant so that each brach becomes it's own main cola instead of having just a few tops and tgen a bunch of lower buds that won't be as dense or way as much.You trim everything under the screen so no larf/fluffernuff.

And growing vertical allows the best useage of all light and gives solid nug from top to bottom of each and every branch,so no larf.It also bumps up bottom line yields.

Just answer the question Joe,or are you scared too?

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lol. I thought you were concerned with efficiency? SOunds very inefficient to me. and labor intensive. Have fun running your little closet scrogs