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Samsung was doing it before HLG on strips. LED on PCB was around before HLG even thought about the idea.

That's the point here. Value for money. Most PCB boards on earth are manufactured in China. So are the diodes that must be shipped back from Korea to weld on their boards, by machine. The design isn't patented, so I don't really see any grave infringement. Try getting a patent for putting diodes...

I lived 7 years of my life in Asia. I'm fully aware of Chinese business, but not everything from China is bullshit. Do you think rig companies would be building oil rigs in China if that was the case?

That's all fine and dandy. But at the end of the day, you're not saving $10. That's BS.

You're comparing apples to oranges... Why don't you lay out the math here so we can compare?

You are missing: - Driver - Heatsink - Shipping Also, those are 134 boards, not 288 boards.

Good for you buddy!

Meijiu qb800's still growing strong :blsmoke:

Why do I have to go to Samsung in China to know that they manufacture their diodes in China? Weren't you the one whining about buying a fixure from there...? Fake news.

The samsung diodes HLG use are manufactured in (Drumroll) China.

Really? Where's that info?

Yeah they all look the same and they're all gonna laugh at you.

Your argument is vague... Not sure which forum you picked it up on, but unless you are dissatisfied with your qb boards from china then don't cry wolf.

You're not saving $10 if you live in EU, besides they sometimes offer free shipping and are able to fix the shipping invoice which means I save at least 40-50%

HLG was making their stuff in China too... That's why these manufacturers in china are able to give us the same product for less. I don't agree with that, but if it grows my plants equally I just don't give a F... One of theae days I will do a side by side between HLG and the Chinese boards, and...

Also, in case you didn't know... Hansien produces boards for bcblondes. Same efficiency per diode as HLG.

You're not gonna argue because you are weaseling your way out of what I asked for. Please prove that Meijiu doean't use top bins?

I don't agree with their choice of epileds in those boards either, and I know a lot of chinese companies do that... But to generalize and say they all do isn't fair game.

Unless you can prove that, then maybe you shouldn't even speculate? Give me just one shred of evidence that for instance Meijiu lies about bins?