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this has turned out to be a great thread i have learned alot and i have been growing for years just resent with CFL's but with the bubble bucket method i get great results i have been thinking about lux and lumens for 4 days now i could not get it out of my head it was driving my hunting partner...

dont forget oldfart that lower wattage allows you to get closer to the plante there is less btu out put also the 42 watt self ballest bulbs made by GE give the most lumens per watt..

thank you this is what i was trying to say in the beginning with the meter and yes you in my opinion are correct that when the rays of light from the bulb being so close that they over lap you are increasing both lux and lumens.

that is my question when the rays of light intersect then has the ray become more intense or more dense or both because if it was more intense then the lumens would increase but if more dense then just the lux?

at this point i am trying to just figure it out there is a lot to look at on this matter it seems as thoe i have been growing great crops in a dense field of just 3500 lumens if lumens dont add up. so as i said earlier what dose that say about the material out there saying you need a required...

i am sorry i dont really care about the puncation thing there buddy so stop busting my balls your not going to get a period out of me i type a lot in the command prompt and there is no puncuiation allowed so don't think i am just picking on you .

i really want to know because both CFL and HID produce very great results and if the therory is true then what dose that say about lumens per square foot when growing there would be a big diffrense from my CFL hood and an 1000watt HID hood in term of lumens so less lumens and still quality...

ok let me ask what you think about this Raw light is measured in lumens a single sourse or ray of light if a ray of light crosses another is the ray not more intense at that intersecting point or are you saying not more intense but more dense?

wow that is neat you can claim to be what ever you want on the internet but the fact still remains that the 5 largest bulb mfg co. say you are wrong also buy your own admission you have no idea weather the lumens are increased because you do not posses a meter that gives information in lumens so...

just buy a light meter or call the number i provided if you don't believe me maybe you will believe the co. making the bulbs them selfs i don't know some people wont believe even then so what ever just buy a light meter. also here is the phone number to SYLVANIA MFG 978-777-1900 just got of the...

sorry phinxter but you are wrong the lux theory is only thery and not fact what you need to do is call GE lighting or SUN systems and get the facts but i can even do you one better go out and buy a light meter and see the lumins increase for your self don't take it personal just ask the bulb...

this has turned into quit the posting back and forth i say you will never get a chevy guy to love a ford CFL's work great like it or not and they have more of an advantage hence the title of this thread but in no way am i saying HID is the worst thing just that i like CFL's once i got it down...

no s**t to many people have bad advise i have been growing for about 10 years i think i have it down by now i say use what you want CFL's work great for me the hood i bought kicks ass and i need not look back i have used everyt kind of light on the market and this is by far the best i have ever...

ok well then i shall provide you with what you ask just keep checking in and when the time is right it shall appear it is not so accepted in my country but then again i am so crazy i could never stand trial kluk kluk.

wow first it is not spam i am helping to spread the word on good lighting systems and i said it can get as close as 1.5 but that would be to close it has a P.O.T to adjust to the desired volume of heat you prefer why is my thread met with so much hatred i am just trying to make the world a...

there is a new design from [email protected] he has made a 1000 watt HPS light that can get as close as 1.5 feet from canape top with out burning of course you want to distribute the light better then that but the point is there is great potential for small location and basements and yes it...

well it all will work the 6500k ones are more blue and cause the plant to reach for the sky i use that kelvin rating for cloning and i mix them with 2700k for vegging and then i use all 2700 kelvin for flowering you just need to know the lumens per watt and the kelvin ratting you dont need to...

here are some more of my hoods all CFL's i have two of the small two bulb hoods for cloning and the big hoods are for vegging and flowering both were good cost and came with a warranty i got them from [email protected] i like these hoods because they produce a tremendous amount of lumens...

here is a cheap set up that is CFL the hood on my profile holds up to 20 bulbs and the hood in the pictures holds up to 28 bulbs but you dont have to have such a large hood it can be made smaller the guy that made it can be reached at [email protected] check him out he also dose lay away.

look at this set up and tell me what you think. the pictures below show my 24 bulb fixture and my profile picture shows a hood that holds 20 bulbs