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they HAVE retested and it was a docu on discovery channel, they piece they took from the older documentary is actually from whenever it was almost destroyed by fire, and the wove together new tapestry when the templar knights were holding it. so the pieces they snipped from the corners WERE from...

and also watch this video, its a little old and some of the skepticism of the cloth switching i can is explained in part two of the vid above, based of these vids, tell me how its fake, or debatable. trust me, you probably wont say anything i havent heard or already debunked...

this is a good point, only thing is jesus and his apostles didnt kill in the name of god, and plus we can google anything, we have vast amounts of resources now, as opposed to then when paper was a rarity and used by scholors and in empires, not common citizens, plus if the bible IS accurate...

this is a good point, only thing is jesus and his apostles didnt kill in the name of god, and plus we can google anything, we have vast amounts of resources now, as apposed to then when paper was a rarity and used by scholors and in empires, not common citizens, plus if the bible IS accurate...

much appreciated BROseph, you know, you've been the most courteous to me since i've joined man, you seem like a cool guy, too bad we never met, haha. any way thnx fer the tip man. :joint::-D

no that wasnt my point what so ever greenhorn, nor what i said, and if you watch that vid i posted, if i can get it to work, then you'll see what im talkin about, the fact is, jesus was crucified and "he arose from the dead" i know thats in question, but the fact is there was no need in their...

oh and one other thing, watch this, and actually take some time to watch, even if you have discrepencies cuz it'll show and explain some things JC_ofs5jC7U&hl=en&fs=1

that is a completely low blow to the christian religion, seeing as how only a a small percentage of christians believe in "speaking in tongues" in modern day. you know i read your post and as they are composed in a civil manner you cut quite a bit, which im sorry is bull shit, and im not gettin...

t the fact its disputed doesnt mean that its been discredited, much less proven otherwise some ppl tend to lean towards thinkin it has based on thier personal belief, "christian types" lean towards a positive while atheist types lean towards negatives, the fact that archeoligists have uncovered...

no one said everyone was motivated by the same selfish desires, (although im willin to bet you along with everyone else on this site, is selfish to a point, whether it be money on the street or manipulation, if situation was dire enough, you'd do what you can to save your own ass, or obtain...

im not sayin im not crediting you at all, if someone has sources and experiences i'll listen but i know personally how hard it is to read the whole bible, much less the koran as well, and i mean ALOT of ppl say they've read the bible, and i know they havent, especially if you bait them a little...

i disagree, seeing as how the old disintegrating scripts and scrolls, now idc WHO you are, have an atheist scientist test em, i guarantee they arent faked, but i know that doesnt PROVE religion. and im sorry dude but i tend to not believe you read the entire bible and koran. of the manny ppl i...

or perhaps maybe its just simply part of mankind. instead of admitting that humanity has vast variants of good, decent, shady, bad, and fuckin evil ppl lets blame religion? because apparently the same problems happen even when religion isn't present.

Actually as i said, there IS historical documentation of it, check out cornelius tacitus's annals. "Cornelius Tacitus in his Annals, xv. 44 Christus (Christ)...was executed at the hands of the procurator Pontious Pilate. Lucian of Samosata: (Christ) the man who was crucified in Palestine"...

oorah tdt oorah. absolutely. the fact is everyone feels they are right. believe what you want to CJ, but the most dangerous weapon we have is knowledge.

and in what way does it depend or REQUIRE on everyone believing? its your choice to believe and thats how is is in christianity, very much so at that. im just sayin idk where you got your facts on christianity but they're wrong. we dont depend on others to believe. and i've got a mass of ppl...

wow, glad to see this has turned to generalizations, by your thought process, where i live i should be dead shot by a crack head drunk black dude. wait, thats a stereotype thats right. so the extortion, bribery was catholicism, in case you didnt know, by sayin that all christian denoms are like...

well crackerjax, i have study religion actually, and its not most religions, in fact to my knowledge there is only one religion that is harmful if you refuse to believe, and that is a sect of muslims, noot even all, believe it or not there are two types of muslims, one is a very passive and...

but to so many that "fairy tale" is a hardcore truth. and it takes me back a couple posts, who does it really hurt? or offened? non believers? if they dont believe let them laugh cause its not being forced upon them, and johnny true on the agnostics, absolutely, i've been there myself, i know...

and seeing as how every religion we know of, has a god, their term for god translated still means "god" so by having it in the pledge isn't hurting any one in any way, since translated it IS the same word. so even for atheists saying they dont like it cuz they have no god, then in turn infringes...