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  1. smoothopyro

    250W HPS for $130---worth it?

    Example: today, I walk into a hydro shop, and there is one guy behind the counter. Nutes were marked up 3x what I've seen them online, and they only had 1 ballast/reflector kit 250W for $210, granted, it was a cool tube. I asked him which light he suggested, and he said that I get the 400W for...
  2. smoothopyro

    250W HPS for $130---worth it?

    where?? I've been shopping around and I thought that $130 was a good price for a 250. :-(
  3. smoothopyro

    250W HPS for $130---worth it?

    bump, help a newbie out
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    250W HPS for $130---worth it?

    I'm in SoCal, I'm a medical patient, and I know of several hydro shops. THe problem I have with them is that they assume that I am an off character because I want a 250W HPS and try to charge me $200 for the same system. 250W is my max allowance due to hieght restrictions and heat concerns...
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    250W HPS for $130---worth it?

    http://www.hidhut.com/catalog/250w-hps-digital-ballast-bulb-and-economy-reflector-combo-p-412.html Is this a good price? It's a remote ballast and it comes with the reflector and bulb. Anyone dealt with them? They seem legit, and they have pretty damn good prices. Just got a job, so my...
  6. smoothopyro

    CFL vs HPS penetration

    Wow. This answered basically all of my questions. I need to treat each individual light as an individual within a system...each contributes to the overall, but each has only a fraction of the intensity as a single source. Like a sports team: each individual contributes a little, but the...
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    CFL vs HPS penetration

    If I did it it would be a chop job HPS from home depot. I don't have $150 to drop on a light (the reason I went for CFLs originally). If I get my new $27/hour tutor job, I will consider it, but right now, I am on a budget.
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    CFL vs HPS penetration

    Thank you and I am a fan of both of those grows. I know I could do it with CFL, and that was never the question. I have seen all the CFL grows with great buds, and I admire them, but the HID is so much more efficient and hassle-free compared with CFL. CFL are amazing lights, and I plan on...
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    CFL vs HPS penetration

    Holy fuck...I'm so high right now and that made me lol sooooo hard. But you draw an important point, and that is that you must consider where the bud is going. However, for me, a denser, more compact bud and shorter grow periods are nice. Fluffy bud is great, and I love it too, but it dries...
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    CFL vs HPS penetration

    Yeah, I know, that's why I'm trying so hard to get the answer empirically. If I could grow 2 plants as good or better while using less power and being cheaper, I would do it. Also, I'm not attracted to the necessity for huge fans for HPS, what size fan would be large enough for an HPS in a ~7...
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    CFL vs HPS penetration

    I would feel most comfortable if you could give me a figure, in inches, that an HPS of that size would need to be from the canopy (we are talking scrog here). I would rather give the plants too much light, barring burning them, than have to keep the light far away. Space and heat are my...
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    CFL vs HPS penetration

    Excuse me for interjecting into my own thread...so much discussion here, and it all seems like valid advice. could I get away with using a 150W HPS? I want to keep the distance between the light and the plant not more than 6", even when the light is fully raised, and I will only be running a...
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    CFL vs HPS penetration

    the actual flowering area would be more like 2 square feet, really. The lights would be secured on a moving platform, though, approx 16"x12", with 8 horizontal CFLs and 4 vertical ones on the corners. Aw hell, I even took the time to make a sketchup of my design so I could visualize the space...
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    CFL vs HPS penetration

    THat's what I was thinking...I couldn't think of any reason they would be different. So a 276W CFL lightbox (12 CFLs in 1 square foot) would be just as good (or better than) a 150W HPS?
  15. smoothopyro

    CFL vs HPS penetration

    https://www.gardenscure.com/420/lighting/79048-cfl-penetration-trimming-theory.html https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/83378-16k-lumens-hps-vs-cfl.html The big question: assuming no energy limit, if I have 10000 lumens of CFL, WILL IT PENETRATE LESS THAN 10000 lumens of HPS? In other...
  16. smoothopyro

    CFL stealth cab design

    I think I going to stick with CFL after careful consideration. I desire the even and spread out lighting that CFLs offer, as well as less heat to worry about. HPS will be for a day when I have more room (hopefully soon). Has anyone had success with CFL and ScrOG?
  17. smoothopyro

    4 gallon rubbermaid -- is it big enough?

    Yeah, I'm going to be using guaranteed female clones available from my dispensary (MMJ patient here). If I have it right, I will place my clone (rockwool and all) into a net pot an cover it with expanded clay (could vermiculite work??) and then raise the water level to the bottom of the pot...
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    4 gallon rubbermaid -- is it big enough?

    with all do respect, with everyday of growing I risk my neck of being found out, so I would rather get a harvest than fail, and anytime not spent managing a harvestable crop is basically wasted, IMO. That being said, thank you very much for your advice and your words are well taken. I am going...
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    4 gallon rubbermaid -- is it big enough?

    I have a 4-gallon tub that I picked up for cheap that fits perfectly in my cab. I was thinking of converting it into a DWC res. I was wondering, however, if it was large enough. It is going to hold 2 plants, and it is 7" deep. Is this large enough to do a DWC, or would I be wasting my time?
  20. smoothopyro

    CFL stealth cab design

    I'm currently debating between the two. For the price, 20 23W bulbs (12 2700k for flower and 8 6500k for veg) would be just as expensive as a chop-job 150W HPS system. The problems I have with desiring to try HPS are: 1) The CFLs are self-ballasted. I do not have another room to keep the...
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