New Migro Lights?

Delps8 said:

Unless I'm mistaken, you've also mentioned at there's synergy when 640 is used with 660, haven't you?

If that's the case and if there's a demonstrable cost/benefit ratio, we should start seeing those improvements in the next few years. OTOH, if it's subjective, that could be a tough sell for an engineering-focused company.

As we see in the PC market, innovation is expensive and these are commodity devices.

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There seems to be a benefit to it, not sure if its chlorophyll based or its based around not exciting the phytochrome to hard. From what i gather 680 is very likely> than 660 for the plant; and if there is consistent high efficiency bins it would also have a photon efficiency benefit as longer wavelength, less energy per photon, more photons per mW of output. But again lets not open this up here in this thread.

And oh theres a third GML video, lol.

Rocket Soul said:

There seems to be a benefit to it, not sure if its chlorophyll based or its based around not exciting the phytochrome to hard. From what i gather 680 is very likely> than 660 for the plant; and if there is consistent high efficiency bins it would also have a photon efficiency benefit as longer wavelength, less energy per photon, more photons per mW of output. But again lets not open this up here in this thread.

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Thanks for the info and, yes, agree. Always appreciate your input.

Rocket Soul said:

And oh theres a third GML video, lol.

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After reading about the other GML video, I was wondering if this was much ado about nothing.

[time passes]
Shane has released a video .

GPT summary here.

Sounds like he fell on his sword. This would have been avoided had he published the light test results from the start. Personally, I'd like to see that from all vendors.

Delps8 said:

Thanks for the info and, yes, agree. Always appreciate your input.


After reading about the other GML video, I was wondering if this was much ado about nothing.

[time passes]
Shane has released a video

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Was about to mention this.
Came up on my phone earlier.. I couldn't bring myself to watch the GML video though.

Rocket Soul said:

Yeah that type of shit can be a bit triggering to me aswell but so can those gotcha moments, lol.
My far red experience is at best lackluster but i think that theres likely better solutions nowadays: osram osconiq 3737 comes in 680nm at extremely high efficiency and 680 is able to excite both photosystem 1 and 2 so should be able to do away with both 660 and 730. Unless theres another thing to 730nm.
680 also seemed to bring some bud quality improvement for me but granted its very limited and subjective.

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680nm led, most underated led on the planet.
Migro charges $2k for review holy snikeys

Delps8 said:

Sounds like he fell on his sword.

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I don’t know if you watched the vid or not, but Shane danced around being called out for intentionally misleading people, only addresses the component mixup as an “oops my bad”, and then completely ignores the subject of the guy he ghosted and blocked who was asking about which components came on the new fixture. Which was over a month ago now. And he just now happens to make this “apology?” video after a competitor releases a smear video about his new fixture?

This is called damage control after being caught doing the old bait & switch routine. Dude sounds hella shady and nobody I’d want to do business with.

cdgmoney250 said:

I don’t know if you watched the vid or not, but Shane danced around being called out for intentionally misleading people, only addresses the component mixup as an “oops my bad”, and then completely ignores the subject of the guy he ghosted and blocked who was asking about which components came on the new fixture. Which was over a month ago now. And he just now happens to make this “apology?” video after a competitor releases a smear video about his new fixture?

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Yes, I watched the video, and I wrote "Sounds like he fell on his sword." He has taken personal responsibility for what happened and, apparently, he's corrected the information on the website.

cdgmoney250 said:

This is called damage control after being caught doing the old bait & switch routine. Dude sounds hella shady and nobody I’d want to do business with.

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Based on what you've written here, I can understand why you've made that decision.

BullPower said:

I got two coming Monday or Tuesday. Couldn't beat it for $600 per unit.

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any thoughts so far, btw?

cdgmoney250 said:

I don’t know if you watched the vid or not, but Shane danced around being called out for intentionally misleading people, only addresses the component mixup as an “oops my bad”, and then completely ignores the subject of the guy he ghosted and blocked who was asking about which components came on the new fixture. Which was over a month ago now. And he just now happens to make this “apology?” video after a competitor releases a smear video about his new fixture?

This is called damage control after being caught doing the old bait & switch routine. Dude sounds hella shady and nobody I’d want to do business with.

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I dont think i ever seem someone look so uncomfortable on camera. Weak tea is what comes to mind though somehow i still feel that that theres a lack of proportionality: Mars was tested here on the forum and scored 10% under spec. And caught with their wifi devices harvesting data or similar. Yet most people shrugged. Are we raging a bit extra cause we was supposed to be one of "our own"?

Iirc correct GML test scored around 3.2 cold, but 2.9 warm - most sphere tests are like this, pulsed light measurement at ambient rather than normal operating temps, so while maybe a bit misleading theres an element of apples to apples; infact almost no light maker goes into details on how the test was done exactly and i dont remember seeing these details on GMLs web neither. But still a very shady look.
Welights claim of fees for featuring your light on his youtube is another issue; hell id love to take a free light and 2 grand for making a parmap and cultivating a following.
Last i checked spectrum of these new light hasnt been corrected on his site.

Lets see where the drama leads, popcorn please.

420AD said:

MIGRO ARAY 750

The MIGRO ARAY 750 is the most efficient LED grow light for 5ft x 5ft or 1.5m x 1.5m grow spaces. Delivers high PAR intensity uniformly & controller compatible

migrolight.com

Saw they have a new series of lights.

I'm pretty shocked how good these look on paper.
Way to go Shane!

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Bastardo! And I got hyped about these lights, sigh.

420AD said:

any thoughts so far, btw?

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Well, I do like the light. The plants underneath look much more healthy/happy than the lights under an older mammoth 10 bar 800 from 2021 which gives no fair comparison.


Ive been watching the fiasco unfold with GML and The lot. Im glad I was only able to get the one Aray 750. I did order two, but they only had 1 left to sell... so got the very lightly used Mammoth from a friend that used it short term every spring spring to stary his veg plants.

We've just flipped to 12's. So we shall see.

I do need to buy 3 more lights to cover 5x15. What're we suggesting now?

Where's the best money spent now for lighting a 5x5 or 6x6 footprint? I need to cover 3 of them. Was about to order some more aray 750's but now I dont think I will. If similar tech is available for less cost, someone point me in that direction please. I have been happy with the performance thus far, but haven't gotten thru a runso cant really speak for end results. This my first LED grow. Im an HID guy

BullPower said:

Where's the best money spent now for lighting a 5x5 or 6x6 footprint? I need to cover 3 of them. Was about to order some more aray 750's but now I dont think I will. If similar tech is available for less cost, someone point me in that direction please. I have been happy with the performance thus far, but haven't gotten thru a runso cant really speak for end results. This my first LED grow. Im an HID guy

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If I was rich, I would buy Sanlight or Lumatek or mbe those Growcrafts from ChilLed, I also heard alot of good things about them.

Rocket Soul said:

I dont think i ever seem someone look so uncomfortable on camera. Weak tea is what comes to mind though somehow i still feel that that theres a lack of proportionality: Mars was tested here on the forum and scored 10% under spec. And caught with their wifi devices harvesting data or similar. Yet most people shrugged. Are we raging a bit extra cause we was supposed to be one of "our own"?

Iirc correct GML test scored around 3.2 cold, but 2.9 warm - most sphere tests are like this, pulsed light measurement at ambient rather than normal operating temps, so while maybe a bit misleading theres an element of apples to apples; infact almost no light maker goes into details on how the test was done exactly and i dont remember seeing these details on GMLs web neither. But still a very shady look.
Welights claim of fees for featuring your light on his youtube is another issue; hell id love to take a free light and 2 grand for making a parmap and cultivating a following.
Last i checked spectrum of these new light hasnt been corrected on his site.

Lets see where the drama leads, popcorn please.

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i mean for me personally if i see people do shady stuff like this i won't send them any more money, especially when you dance around the problem. to me there is no reason to lie on spec sheets, your company either uses them or they don't and if you don't know about it that speaks a lot about a person imo.

BullPower said:

Where's the best money spent now for lighting a 5x5 or 6x6 footprint? I need to cover 3 of them. Was about to order some more aray 750's but now I dont think I will. If similar tech is available for less cost, someone point me in that direction please. I have been happy with the performance thus far, but haven't gotten thru a runso cant really speak for end results. This my first LED grow. Im an HID guy

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If you're getting good results from the Migro light, there's a strong argument to buy more of that product.

The decision, for me, is to buy the products that fulfill certain price and performance criteria. What the company might or might not have done is not something that I am able to judge and, unless it impacts the product or the support of that product, is not part of the buying decision. If we start opening that kimono, my over 50 years of work experience (multiple careers in multiple countries and multiple states here in the US) would indicate that my choices of many types products would be drastically reduced.

The spectrum for the Migro has a high percentage of red which impacts how cannabis grows and it has an excellent PPFD map but the 16" PPFD map shows only 4' of coverage rather than the full 5' x 5'. That larger area is a lot of space to cover.

Given the funds, it's hard to beat the Grand Master Tarantula Tent Ultimate 5' x 5'. The PPFD map is extraordinary but, unless you're going to add CO2 to your grow space, you won't be taking advantage of the full capabilities of the GML or of the Migro, for that matter.

In terms of the switch over from HID to LED, there are a few significant differences. One is the change in leaf temperatures, another is the spectrum and, finally, the light cast ("PPFD map") in LED's is far more even. Have you looked into those topics?

420AD said:

Yeah what I actually meant was the big fixtures, I completely disregarded the fact that there's smaller fixtures with the bar style out there too now, my bad.

So basically I don't wanna have to take out all the plants to be able to raise or lower my lights, so I have 2 smaller lights rather one big light.
Not sure if heatwise it wouldn't be better to switch, and also the efficiency is so good now that I would actually also make sense.

Still gonna wait

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if you took the two lights out, say there 100watts each, you replace with a 200watt light your lumins will be more then with two ;ights. you will also get your extra jeat too. so id say yes to replaceing them if you can

Rocket Soul said:

Welights claim of fees for featuring your light on his youtube is another issue; hell id love to take a free light and 2 grand for making a parmap and cultivating a following.

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I only saw it on one of the comments by GML on his vid, I cant see a problem, reviewing a light take time and cost, but money = bias, sure Kim K dont push new lolly water for no money. Its just that people should be up front about fees for reviews so the bias is tempered or considered by the viewer

go go kid said:

if you took the two lights out, say there 100watts each, you replace with a 200watt light your lumins will be more then with two ;ights. you will also get your extra jeat too. so id say yes to replaceing them if you can

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My lights are 220w each, but for the sake of the argument: let's say I'd replace two 100w fixtures with one 200w fixture.
All this would do is spread the light differently given they have the same LED chips. Maybe with better heat dissipation you would get a lil higher output, but I don't think there would be much of a difference.
I know this because I went the exact opposite way. I used to have a big 440w fixture and the 220w ones are the same just split into two units.

right, so they don't work like hps or mh bulbs when it comes to light. thanx for the info.