President Trump to directly target cartels

1212ham said:

Elon Musk has multi billion dollar contracts with the US government, can you see the conflict of interest?

What is it that makes you believe Trump is beinig genuine?

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I suppose that a man would have to be pretty.....stupid IMO to not think God is watching his ass after he survived one legit attempt on his life that he was very "lucky" to avoid. I also have my personal beliefs against unnatural things, especially ones that go to the extreme, and he seems to be pushing things that reinforce what's natural. We also know he could've pussied out at about any point; and I'd put money that he could've made the agreement of "I walk away, all you guys stop this bullshit of trying to find out when I didn't wash my hands after using the bathroom." His administration also made things the cheapest I'd seen since probably 2007 overall. People that don't give a shit certainly won't put in effort to make others' lives easier. Not when a president can have a clever "reason" things aren't going as planned drawn up by numerous individuals, and then just pick the best story. I suppose how he responds has been super consistent over the last 9 years. And you can ask him damn near anything, and he gives his answer.

There's more, but I already wrote a page lol.

The nice thing about today is we have a face to go along with the saying.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/stick_it_to_the_man

lemondroptrichomes said:

It appears he is already started to address that too.

Starting with the corruption in our government institutions. No more FDA to Big Pharma/Big Food cushy job offers is one I saw mentioned yesterday.

Although now that you bring it up, to keep it on topic, I wonder how much this new intentional dismantling of the cartels will expose members of the Mexican government (possibly even their new president) along with actors here in the US that are in the network

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Years ago I was friendly with a major weed importer from Texas . He had a whole lotta Border Patrol on his payroll . Gotta think the gun runners do too .

Unga Bunga said:

Years ago I was friendly with a major weed importer from Texas . He had a whole lotta Border Patrol on his payroll . Gotta think the gun runners do too .

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The northern border was harder and it was easy lol. Never lost a load from South border.

bignugs68 said:

That's just it. What he and his team - Ramaswamy, RFK, Elon, claim to want to do is against the majority of the 1%. Which as my democratic friend said to me(I'm center/right leaning), "We need to remember it's not Democrats vs Republicans - it's us vs the top 1%".

I believe Trump and his team is being genuine, but whether they can accomplish even half what they say will be impressive and positive change IMO.

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Your dem friend is wrong- it IS about Democrats vs. Republicans now

What do you want Trump to accomplish?

bignugs68 said:

Lmao! that is one fantastic example of a waste of efforts that only worsened the problem. I'm 33, but I hear old dogs in my town and family bar say all the time - "ya know shit was fine when people just smoked pot and did cocaine"

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Old dogs ! LOL, I guess I am an old dog. The pot was a great buisness but the Coke led to problems so stayed out of that game. Retired and just chilling now on the lake .

Budley Doright said:

Old dogs ! LOL, I guess I am an old dog. The pot was a great buisness but the Coke led to problems so stayed out of that game. Retired and just chilling now on the lake .

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Thats great!
Its definitely one of those things that destroys people...or some individuals are blessed with enough self control to just use it like medicine i guess - I only know 1 lol.

compassionateExotic said:

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They’ve made it known if you’re in the country illegally you’re subject to deportation. That includes expired visas and temporary status being revoked.

They are giving families a choice to leave together also; and covering the flight costs for up to the entire family, there is an app for it.

It’s only perceived as radical because it hasn’t been enforced for so long.

lemondroptrichomes said:

They’ve made it known if you’re in the country illegally you’re subject to deportation. That includes expired visas and temporary status being revoked.

They are giving families a choice to leave together also; and covering the flight costs for up to the entire family, there is an app for it.

It’s only perceived as radical because it hasn’t been enforced for so long.

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Did u even read the source of that video and video (right from gov website ) itself cause it showed directly from ice website the states and ur 100% wrong . 80% of all what ice is doing after trump is 100% wrong and wasteful, this is just a agenda like SS with nazi’s to call someone savages or with the euro’s trying everything in their might and agenda as okay to wi-e out the native Americans/mexicans. call it okay all u want but facts say otherwise . Wasting all this cash but also ruining so many good people’s life over just plain hate pure bs and excuses if this actions are in anyway what gop and people supporting mass in prison and making our Allie’s into enemies . soon if I was Mexico or Canada and rest of world, why be supportive of usa ? They are biggest buyer and are bullies ?

compassionateExotic said:

Did u even read the source of that video and video (right from gov website ) itself cause it showed directly from ice website the states and ur 100% wrong . 80% of all what ice is doing after trump is 100% wrong and wasteful, this is just a agenda like SS with nazi’s to call someone savages or with the euro’s trying everything in their might and agenda as okay to wi-e out the native Americans/mexicans. call it okay all u want but facts say otherwise . Wasting all this cash but also ruining so many good people’s life over just plain hate pure bs and excuses if this actions are in anyway what gop and people supporting mass in prison and making our Allie’s into enemies . soon if I was Mexico or Canada and rest of world, why be supportive of usa ? They are biggest buyer and are bullies ?

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it costs $245 a day to house an illegal immigrant in the Florida ICE center

It costs $350-400 to house an illegal immigrant in shelters/hotels (this is a national average)

Respectively, the moment you start saying ss this and Auschwitz’s that - you do yourself a disservice

Nothing like that is occurring or will ever occur

lemondroptrichomes said:

They’ve made it known if you’re in the country illegally you’re subject to deportation. That includes expired visas and temporary status being revoked.

They are giving families a choice to leave together also; and covering the flight costs for up to the entire family, there is an app for it.

It’s only perceived as radical because it hasn’t been enforced for so long.

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Biden deported 4.4 million without the fear and terror. Thus cheaper.


https://www.migrationpolicy.org/art...ith expulsions and,million in its second term).

lemondroptrichomes said:

it costs $245 a day to house an illegal immigrant in the Florida ICE center

It costs $350-400 to house an illegal immigrant in shelters/hotels (this is a national average)

Respectively, the moment you start saying ss this and Auschwitz’s that - you do yourself a disservice

Nothing like that is occurring or will ever occur

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And this is why maga and gop wanna ban books of past. What we tried very hard and killed off the natives Americans (millions) and made anyone we could into slaves and justified it as they were “savages” . Maga world so vote yea on slaves and killing of any “savage” like ss/nazi to germany with jews. Are u one of those maga who pretend the past never happened ?


CLAIM 1: “It costs less to house migrants in ICE detention than in shelters—so detention is justified”


Why This Logic (you are saying) is Deeply Flawed
1.
Cost Efficiency ≠ Moral Justification

• Just because something is “cheaper” doesn’t make it right or effective. Prisons are cheaper than college, but we don’t suggest locking up students to save money.
• Human rights aren’t evaluated by their cost-efficiency. By that logic, you could justify denying care, food, and freedom to save a buck—which is morally bankrupt.

2.
The Cost Comparison is Misleading

• Shelters and hotel stays often happen after release from detention, while asylum seekers await court. These costs are not equivalent because:
  • Shelters often provide services (case management, legal support, translation, medical care) that increase court appearance rates
  • ICE detention is a punitive, prison-like system—often run by private corporations profiting from each body held
• 
  
• ICE detention includes transport, private security, legal processes, and administrative overhead that aren’t transparent or “flat rate.”

CLAIM 2: “ICE is not like Auschwitz or SS—you lose the argument when you compare them”



Why your Deflection Fails

1. The Person Is Responding to a Strawman

• Saying “this isn’t Auschwitz” ignores the real, well-documented cruelty, abuse, and rights violations happening now in U.S. detention.
• You don’t need a Holocaust to recognize inhumane treatment: denial of medical care, family separation, indefinite detention, and abuse of minors are well documented in ICE facilities.

2.
The Comparison to Nazi Germany Is Not Literal—It’s Cautionary

• Many critics bring up the Holocaust to highlight how systems of dehumanization, racial targeting, and bureaucratic cruelty begin slowly and legally.
• ICE’s behavior (e.g., raids, racial profiling, lack of oversight, for-profit detention) shares structural elements that echo how authoritarian systems justify harm in the name of “order” or “security.”

THE REALITY: What ICE Is Doing Is Ineffective, Cruel, and Often Driven by Political Fear—not Policy Success





Ineffective

• Most people in ICE custody are asylum seekers, not criminals. Detention does not improve court appearance rates—community-based programs do.
• Alternatives to detention (ATD) cost less than $5 per day and result in 90–95% appearance rates at immigration hearings.
• ICE frequently deports people with strong asylum claims, U.S.-citizen children, or long-term residents—which destabilizes communities and families.

Cruel and Dehumanizing
Family separation, especially during the Trump administration, caused lifelong trauma, including for toddlers.

• Whistleblowers have exposed forced hysterectomies, sexual abuse, neglect of medical emergencies, and deaths in custody.
• ICE has inadequate oversight, and immigrants often don’t get legal representation, violating due process.

maga = Fueled by Racialized Fear

• Much of the rhetoric defending harsh ICE policies is coded racism—painting migrants as dangerous, dirty, or unworthy.
• Latin American and Black migrants are disproportionately targeted for raids and deportation.
• “Illegal immigrant” is often weaponized to dehumanize people who are fleeing war, poverty, and political collapse—often worsened by U.S. foreign policy.

So What Should Be Done Instead?

• Expand community-based alternatives that cost less and treat people with dignity
• Fund legal support for asylum seekers to ensure due process
• Reform or abolish ICE’s most violent programs, including detention quotas and private contracts
• Focus on humanitarian response, not criminalization

Final Thought

The argument deflects criticism, misuses economics, and ignores both humanitarian principles and historical patterns of abuse. No, this isn’t Auschwitz—but if we wait until it is to care, we’ve already failed.

1. ICE Mass Deportation Is Morally and Legally Harmful
Due Process Violations

• Many detained individuals are asylum seekers or visa over-stayers—not criminals.
• Over 80% of immigrants in detention have no criminal record.
• ICE lacks constitutional safeguards: migrants often have no access to legal counsel, and children are detained in adult-like conditions.

Family Separation and Trauma

• The 2018 “zero tolerance” policy led to the separation of over 5,500 children from their parents, causing documented PTSD, trauma, and permanent psychological damage.
• The American Academy of Pediatrics and UN have condemned ICE’s detention conditions as “inhumane and harmful” to children.

2. ICE and Mass Deportation Are a Waste of Taxpayer Money
It’s Astronomically Expensive:
We’re spending billions annually to detain and deport peaceful, contributing residents when humane, cheaper options exist.
3. Economically, Deporting Immigrants Hurts the U.S.—Badly
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Undocumented Workers Are Essential

• Over 5 million undocumented workers contribute to U.S. labor in agriculture, construction, hospitality, elder care, and food processing.
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• 70% of all farmworkers are undocumented (USDA estimates)
• Deporting them would cause labor shortages, food inflation, and supply chain collapses

They Pay Billions in Taxes

• Undocumented immigrants paid $20+ billion in federal, state, and local taxes in 2021 ([ITEP - Institute on Taxation & Economic Policy]).
• 
  
• They contribute to Social Security and Medicare but can’t legally claim benefits, meaning the U.S. government profits off them.

Deportation Shrinks GDP

• Deporting all undocumented immigrants would reduce U.S. GDP by ~2.6% (over $400–500 billion) and eliminate 6.8 million jobs, according to the American Action Forum.
• 
  
• Industries would collapse without low-wage, physically demanding labor—leading to higher prices, slower growth, and fewer consumer goods

4. The Real Motive? Not Safety—It’s Politics and Fear

• Studies show immigrants commit crimes at lower rates than U.S. citizens ([Cato Institute], [National Academy of Sciences
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• ICE prioritizes communities of color and often operates without proper judicial oversight—leading to racial profiling and abuse.
• Political leaders use “immigration enforcement” as a scapegoat, often inflating threats to justify harsh, expensive policies.

Better Alternatives Exist


Summary: Why ICE Mass Deportation is Wrong and a Failure

compassionateExotic said:

And this is why maga and gop wanna ban books of past. What we tried very hard and killed off the natives Americans (millions) and made anyone we could into slaves and justified it as they were “savages” . Maga world so vote yea on slaves and killing of any “savage” like ss/nazi to germany with jews. Are u one of those maga who pretend the past never happened ?


CLAIM 1: “It costs less to house migrants in ICE detention than in shelters—so detention is justified”


Why This Logic (you are saying) is Deeply Flawed
1.
Cost Efficiency ≠ Moral Justification

• Just because something is “cheaper” doesn’t make it right or effective. Prisons are cheaper than college, but we don’t suggest locking up students to save money.
• Human rights aren’t evaluated by their cost-efficiency. By that logic, you could justify denying care, food, and freedom to save a buck—which is morally bankrupt.

2.
The Cost Comparison is Misleading

• Shelters and hotel stays often happen after release from detention, while asylum seekers await court. These costs are not equivalent because:
  • Shelters often provide services (case management, legal support, translation, medical care) that increase court appearance rates
  • ICE detention is a punitive, prison-like system—often run by private corporations profiting from each body held
• 
  
• ICE detention includes transport, private security, legal processes, and administrative overhead that aren’t transparent or “flat rate.”

CLAIM 2: “ICE is not like Auschwitz or SS—you lose the argument when you compare them”



Why your Deflection Fails

1. The Person Is Responding to a Strawman

• Saying “this isn’t Auschwitz” ignores the real, well-documented cruelty, abuse, and rights violations happening now in U.S. detention.
• You don’t need a Holocaust to recognize inhumane treatment: denial of medical care, family separation, indefinite detention, and abuse of minors are well documented in ICE facilities.

2.
The Comparison to Nazi Germany Is Not Literal—It’s Cautionary

• Many critics bring up the Holocaust to highlight how systems of dehumanization, racial targeting, and bureaucratic cruelty begin slowly and legally.
• ICE’s behavior (e.g., raids, racial profiling, lack of oversight, for-profit detention) shares structural elements that echo how authoritarian systems justify harm in the name of “order” or “security.”

THE REALITY: What ICE Is Doing Is Ineffective, Cruel, and Often Driven by Political Fear—not Policy Success





Ineffective

• Most people in ICE custody are asylum seekers, not criminals. Detention does not improve court appearance rates—community-based programs do.
• Alternatives to detention (ATD) cost less than $5 per day and result in 90–95% appearance rates at immigration hearings.
• ICE frequently deports people with strong asylum claims, U.S.-citizen children, or long-term residents—which destabilizes communities and families.

Cruel and Dehumanizing
Family separation, especially during the Trump administration, caused lifelong trauma, including for toddlers.

• Whistleblowers have exposed forced hysterectomies, sexual abuse, neglect of medical emergencies, and deaths in custody.
• ICE has inadequate oversight, and immigrants often don’t get legal representation, violating due process.

maga = Fueled by Racialized Fear

• Much of the rhetoric defending harsh ICE policies is coded racism—painting migrants as dangerous, dirty, or unworthy.
• Latin American and Black migrants are disproportionately targeted for raids and deportation.
• “Illegal immigrant” is often weaponized to dehumanize people who are fleeing war, poverty, and political collapse—often worsened by U.S. foreign policy.

So What Should Be Done Instead?

• Expand community-based alternatives that cost less and treat people with dignity
• Fund legal support for asylum seekers to ensure due process
• Reform or abolish ICE’s most violent programs, including detention quotas and private contracts
• Focus on humanitarian response, not criminalization

Final Thought

The argument deflects criticism, misuses economics, and ignores both humanitarian principles and historical patterns of abuse. No, this isn’t Auschwitz—but if we wait until it is to care, we’ve already failed.

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Illegal immigration is wrong. People in the United States illegally need to be deported. Their lives matter less to me than the lives of American citizens. That doesn’t mean they do not matter. They do not inherently deserve sovereignty in a nation that is not their own. Legal immigration is appropriate but is not and should be considered a right. The United States is not for the entire world’s population to enter and live amongst its citizens. Our government should use any and every means available to deport illegal immigrants and deter future attempts at immigrating illegally.

Those are my opinions on the subject.

Your chatgpt response with all the possible imperfections in how ICE has operated is less meaningful than addressing the root reasons why they’re working at all.

Lots of illegal children are trafficked. Lots of families are separated due to the journey here or extortions from cartels. Lots of illegals harm our society in various ways economically and socially.

There are people who are citizens of the United States that are not good. That harm society. That are a net negative. But that isn’t something we can control and is part of any human population.

What we can control is who is allowed into our country and why they’re allowed in.

American’s dreams and wants and wishes should matter more to our elected officials and our tax dollars than illegal immigrants

That’s my opinion

lemondroptrichomes said:

Illegal immigration is wrong. People in the United States illegally need to be deported. Their lives matter less to me than the lives of American citizens. That doesn’t mean they do not matter. They do not inherently deserve sovereignty in a nation that is not their own. Legal immigration is appropriate but is not and should be considered a right. The United States is not for the entire world’s population to enter and live amongst its citizens. Our government should use any and every means available to deport illegal immigrants and deter future attempts at immigrating illegally.

Those are my opinions on the subject.

Your chatgpt response with all the possible imperfections in how ICE has operated is less meaningful than addressing the root reasons why they’re working at all.

Lots of illegal children are trafficked. Lots of families are separated due to the journey here or extortions from cartels. Lots of illegals harm our society in various ways economically and socially.

There are people who are citizens of the United States that are not good. That harm society. That are a net negative. But that isn’t something we can control and is part of any human population.

What we can control is who is allowed into our country and why they’re allowed in.

American’s dreams and wants and wishes should matter more to our elected officials and our tax dollars than illegal immigrants

That’s my opinion

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No facts, sources or logical . I guess opinions is ur core of reasons?

Got it! Here’s a fact-based, powerful rebuttal you can use in a comment, post, or debate reply. It directly responds to the opinion you quoted, without being emotional—just sharp, informed, and ethical.



REBUTTAL: Why Mass Deportation & Dehumanization of Undocumented Immigrants Is Wrong – Ethically, Economically, and Constitutionally
You’re entitled to your opinion—but when that opinion claims some people “matter less” and should be removed “by any means,” it crosses from opinion into dangerous policy justification with real-world harm.


Here are the facts: 1.
Undocumented Immigrants Are Not an Economic Burden—They’re Essential

• They pay ~$20 billion in taxes each year, including into Social Security and Medicare, which they can’t even use.
  Source: Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP)
• Over 70% of all U.S. farmworkers are undocumented—removing them would collapse agriculture and drive food prices up.
  Source: USDA
• Deporting all 11M+ undocumented immigrants would cost over $100–200 billion and shrink U.S. GDP by ~2.6%.
  Source: American Action Forum, Cato Institute

So economically, mass deportation makes no sense. It’s not saving money—it’s burning tax dollars to remove the people who hold up entire industries.



2. U.S. Law Protects People, Not Just Citizens

• The Constitution guarantees due process and equal protection to persons on U.S. soil, not just citizens (14th Amendment, 5th Amendment).
• Dehumanizing immigrants—saying they “matter less”—has historical parallels to slavery, internment, and genocide.
• Human rights aren’t a zero-sum game: valuing others does not devalue Americans.

3. ICE Is Inefficient, Abusive, and Built on Political Theater

• ICE detains people at $140–300 per day, while humane alternatives cost less than $5/day and get 95% court compliance.
• Over 5,500 children were forcibly separated from their parents under “zero tolerance” policies—many were never reunited.
  Source: ACLU, DHS OIG
• ICE has a long history of mistaken raids, abuses, wrongful detentions, and even death due to medical neglect.

So yes—we absolutely should question why ICE operates the way it does.




4. “Illegals harm society” Is Not Backed by Data

• Immigrants (legal or not) are less likely to commit crimes than U.S. citizens.
  Source: Cato Institute, National Academy of Sciences
• You don’t solve child trafficking or cartel violence by criminalizing the victims of those very threats.

Let’s stop conflating undocumented families with criminals. It’s a tired narrative that only serves fear-based policy, not real solutions.


5. The Smart Solution? Immigration Reform—not Cruelty

Give long-time residents a pathway to legal status.

• Expand legal migration, work permits, and asylum processing.
• Invest in the root causes of migration (poverty, war, climate).
• Focus ICE on real threats, not peaceful families.

Final Thought:
Saying undocumented immigrants “matter less” isn’t just an opinion—it’s a worldview rooted in dehumanization. It’s economically flawed, morally indefensible, and historically dangerous.

America was built by immigrants. Protecting our laws and borders does not require cruelty or mass deportation—it requires policy grounded in reality, humanity, and constitutional values.

compassionateExotic said:

No facts, sources or logical . I guess opinions is ur core of reasons?

Got it! Here’s a fact-based, powerful rebuttal you can use in a comment, post, or debate reply. It directly responds to the opinion you quoted, without being emotional—just sharp, informed, and ethical.



REBUTTAL: Why Mass Deportation & Dehumanization of Undocumented Immigrants Is Wrong – Ethically, Economically, and Constitutionally
You’re entitled to your opinion—but when that opinion claims some people “matter less” and should be removed “by any means,” it crosses from opinion into dangerous policy justification with real-world harm.


Here are the facts: 1.
Undocumented Immigrants Are Not an Economic Burden—They’re Essential

• They pay ~$20 billion in taxes each year, including into Social Security and Medicare, which they can’t even use.
  Source: Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP)
• Over 70% of all U.S. farmworkers are undocumented—removing them would collapse agriculture and drive food prices up.
  Source: USDA
• Deporting all 11M+ undocumented immigrants would cost over $100–200 billion and shrink U.S. GDP by ~2.6%.
  Source: American Action Forum, Cato Institute

So economically, mass deportation makes no sense. It’s not saving money—it’s burning tax dollars to remove the people who hold up entire industries.



2. U.S. Law Protects People, Not Just Citizens

• The Constitution guarantees due process and equal protection to persons on U.S. soil, not just citizens (14th Amendment, 5th Amendment).
• Dehumanizing immigrants—saying they “matter less”—has historical parallels to slavery, internment, and genocide.
• Human rights aren’t a zero-sum game: valuing others does not devalue Americans.

3. ICE Is Inefficient, Abusive, and Built on Political Theater

• ICE detains people at $140–300 per day, while humane alternatives cost less than $5/day and get 95% court compliance.
• Over 5,500 children were forcibly separated from their parents under “zero tolerance” policies—many were never reunited.
  Source: ACLU, DHS OIG
• ICE has a long history of mistaken raids, abuses, wrongful detentions, and even death due to medical neglect.

So yes—we absolutely should question why ICE operates the way it does.




4. “Illegals harm society” Is Not Backed by Data

• Immigrants (legal or not) are less likely to commit crimes than U.S. citizens.
  Source: Cato Institute, National Academy of Sciences
• You don’t solve child trafficking or cartel violence by criminalizing the victims of those very threats.

Let’s stop conflating undocumented families with criminals. It’s a tired narrative that only serves fear-based policy, not real solutions.


5. The Smart Solution? Immigration Reform—not Cruelty

Give long-time residents a pathway to legal status.

• Expand legal migration, work permits, and asylum processing.
• Invest in the root causes of migration (poverty, war, climate).
• Focus ICE on real threats, not peaceful families.

Final Thought:
Saying undocumented immigrants “matter less” isn’t just an opinion—it’s a worldview rooted in dehumanization. It’s economically flawed, morally indefensible, and historically dangerous.

America was built by immigrants. Protecting our laws and borders does not require cruelty or mass deportation—it requires policy grounded in reality, humanity, and constitutional values.

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You’re just sharing opinions disguised as facts though. Everything you said can be rebutted

lemondroptrichomes said:

You’re just sharing opinions disguised as facts though. Everything you said can be rebutted

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facts + sources + reasons and logical points . Let’s see ur facts/reasons and sources eh?



Perfect — let’s respond to that “you’re just sharing opinions disguised as facts” claim directly and only facts


Rebuttal: “This isn’t just opinion — it’s verified, sourced fact.”

You’re saying my points are just opinions, but what I shared is based on:

• U.S. government data
• Peer-reviewed research
• Think tanks across the political spectrum
• Historical precedent and constitutional law

If you believe every fact can be “rebutted,” that’s not a valid argument — that’s relativism. Let me show you what I mean:





1.
Tax Contribution

Fact: Undocumented immigrants contribute ~$20 billion in taxes annually.

→ Source: Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP)

→ Not an opinion — this is IRS and Census-based analysis.




2.
Economic Impact of Mass Deportation

Fact: Deporting all undocumented immigrants would cost ~$100–200 billion and reduce U.S. GDP by 2.6%.
→ Source: American Action Forum (center-right), Center for American Progress (center-left), Cato Institute (libertarian)
→ That’s consensus across ideologies. Not an opinion.



3.

Constitutional Protections Apply to All Persons
Fact: The 14th Amendment guarantees due process and equal protection to persons, not just citizens.
→ Source: U.S. Constitution, Supreme Court precedent
→ This is settled law. Not an opinion.





4. Crime and Immigration
Fact: Immigrants (including undocumented) commit crimes at lower rates than U.S. citizens.

→ Source: Cato Institute, National Academy of Sciences, multiple state-level studies
→ If you have contradictory data, show it — but that’s the statistical truth.


5. Family Separation and ICE Abuse
Fact: 5,500+ children were separated from their parents under U.S. policy, and many were never reunited.
→ Source: ACLU, DHS Office of Inspector General
→ That’s not a vibe. That’s an official government audit.

Bottom Line:You’re free to hold opinions — but when you dismiss data, history, and law as “just opinions,” you’re not debating. You’re denying reality.

Facts can be uncomfortable. That doesn’t make them optional.