Fascism and the Republican Party

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
As Oreskes and Conway point out, deregulation really began under Jimmy Carter, Reagan’s predecessor. Carter, sometimes with the support of the arch-liberal Edward M. Kennedy, deregulated the airline industry, railroads, and trucking. Deregulation continued after Clinton was elected, in 1992. “The era of big government is over,” he famously announced. “Self-reliance and teamwork are not opposing virtues—we must have both.” In the United Kingdom, Tony Blair’s government took the same approach. Together, Blair and Clinton promoted a neoliberal approach to international trade, the beginnings of what we now call globalization.
In 1993, Congress ratified the North American Free Trade Agreement (nafta). In 1996, it passed the Telecommunications Act, opening up the communications business. And in 1999 it repealed part of the Glass-Steagall Act, a Depression-era statute that prohibited commercial banks from joining together with securities firms (“investment banks”).

These policies were undertaken in the belief that freeing markets increases productivity and competition, lowering prices, and that markets regulate themselves more efficiently than administrators can. But some of their unintended effects can still be felt today. nafta had a net-positive impact on the economies of the signatories—Canada, Mexico, and the United States—but it also made it easier for American manufacturers to relocate plants to Mexico, where labor is cheaper, inflicting severe social and economic damage on certain areas of the U.S. It is probable that many Trump voters were people, or the children of people, whose lives and communities were disrupted by nafta.

The Telecommunications Act included a clause, Section 230, immunizing Web operators from liability for third-party content posted on their sites. The consequences are well known. And the weakening of Glass-Steagall, along with the Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan’s relaxation of bank oversight, has been blamed for the financial crisis of 2008 and the Great Recession that followed, a crisis that Oreskes and Conway estimate cost the public twenty-three trillion dollars.

Yet the neoliberal era was hardly a triumph for Friedman’s approach. Pro-market policies were generally mixed with state funding and government direction. Clinton may have subscribed to many neoliberal principles, but one of the first initiatives his Administration attempted was a reform of the health-care system where the government was to give every citizen a “health-care security card”—which sounds a lot like socialized medicine.
Both nafta and the Telecommunications Act contain plenty of regulatory requirements. The government is overseeing how business is done, not simply stepping aside. As with the freedom of speech and the freedom of religion, it’s the state that creates the social space in which economic freedom can be exercised. Without government, we are in a state of nature, where coercion, not freedom, is the norm.

There is a strange blind spot in “The Big Myth.” The authors are exhaustive in debunking the fundamentalist view of the “magic of the marketplace” (although fundamentalisms aren’t hard to debunk, and a lot of their criticisms are familiar). But what especially exercises them is the equation pro-business propagandists made between free markets and political liberties—“the claim that America was founded on three basic, interdependent principles: representative democracy, political freedom, and free enterprise.” Oreskes and Conway call this “a fabricated claim.” Is it?

As they point out, there’s no mention of free enterprise in the Constitution. But there are mentions of property, and almost every challenge to government interference in the economy rests on the concept of a right to property. The Framers were highly sensitive to this issue. They not only made the concept of private property compatible with the concept of political rights; they made property itself a political right. And vice versa: rights were personal property. “As a man is said to have a right to his property,” James Madison wrote, “he may be equally said to have a property in his rights.”

Thus the Fifth Amendment provides that “no person shall be . . . deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.” Like the rest of the Bill of Rights, this was originally understood to apply only to the federal government, but the Fourteenth Amendment, ratified in 1868, applied it to the states as well, and courts have invoked that amendment’s “due process” clause to protect all sorts of fundamental rights that are unspecified in the Bill of Rights—such as the right to privacy, which is the constitutional basis for the decision in Roe v. Wade. This is the judicial doctrine known as “substantive due process.”

Pro-business lobbyists were therefore completely correct to define free enterprise, by which they meant the freedom to do as they liked with their property, as a political liberty. In the early decades of the twentieth century, the Supreme Court used substantive due process to strike down government acts and programs that impinged on the right to property and on what the Court called “the liberty of contract”—including minimum-wage laws, worker-safety regulations, and a number of New Deal programs. The treatment of private ownership as a political right was not something dreamed up by Friedrich Hayek or the National Association of Manufacturers. It is, for better or worse, part of the fabric of American society.

But this political liberty is not absolute. The Framers were adept at balancing one grant of authority with a countervailing one. When the Supreme Court—under pressure from Franklin Roosevelt, who threatened to pack the Court—did an about-face on the New Deal, in 1937, it had another legal mechanism at its disposal. Article I of the Constitution gives Congress the power “to regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes.” This is the “commerce clause,” which has, since the time of John Marshall, been broadly interpreted to give Congress the power to regulate virtually everything related to interstate commerce.

Through the commerce clause, courts began giving Congress new powers, opening the way to the programs and policies of mid-century liberalism. The constitutional authority for the anti-discrimination provisions of the 1964 Civil Rights Act is the commerce clause. You can’t tell the story of business’s war on government without taking this legal context into account. Due process and the commerce clause were the weapons the antagonists fought with, and, as it generally does, the Supreme Court had the last word.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
What hath neoliberalism wrought? On the plus side of the ledger: in 1980, about forty-three per cent of the world lived in extreme poverty (by the World Bank’s definition), and today the number is about eight per cent. Globalization has lifted a billion humans out of poverty in just forty years. And you own many household items, like batteries and T-shirts, that were manufactured in Communist countries—China and Vietnam—and that were very inexpensive. New parts of the world, notably East and South Asia, are now economic players. Technological knowledge is no longer a monopoly of the First World powers.

Among the debits: deregulation, which was supposed to spur competition, has not slowed the trend toward monopoly. Despite the Telecommunications Act, just three companies—Verizon, T-Mobile, and A.T. & T.—provide ninety-nine per cent of wireless service. Six companies dominate the media in the United States: Comcast, Disney, Warner Bros. Discovery, Paramount Global, the Fox Corporation, and Sony. Book publishing in the United States is dominated by the so-called Big Five: Hachette, HarperCollins, Macmillan, Penguin Random House, and Simon & Schuster. The music industry is dominated by just three corporate players: the Universal, Sony, and Warner music divisions.

The big fish, with their piles of capital, keep swallowing up the little fish. The Big Five would now be the Big Four if Penguin Random House’s deal to acquire Simon & Schuster had not been ruled a violation of antitrust law last fall. Of the twelve most valuable companies in the world, eight of which are tech businesses, all are monopolies or near-monopolies.

And, as Martin Wolf emphasizes in his highly informed and intelligent critique of the global economy, “The Crisis of Democratic Capitalism” (Penguin Press), inequality is everywhere. At the level of the firm: in 1980, C.E.O.s were paid about forty-two times as much as the average employee; in 2016, they were paid three hundred and forty-seven times as much. At the level of the whole society: the three million people who make up the wealthiest one per cent of Americans are collectively worth more than the two hundred and ninety-one million who make up the bottom ninety per cent.

It is the rise in inequality abetted by the neoliberal system that poses the most immediate threat to civil society. Wolf doubts whether the United States will still be a functioning democracy at the end of the decade. Either way, the sun has set on neoliberalism. Both parties have drifted closer to something like mercantilism; the language of the market has lost its magic. “Bidenomics” entails immense government spending; meanwhile, a new cadre—protectionists, crony capitalists, ethno-nationalists, and social and cultural provincials—has been rewriting party platforms. Republicans eagerly lambaste Big Tech and clash with “woke” corporations, more intent on fighting a culture war than on championing commerce. People used to pray for the end of neoliberalism. Unfortunately, this is what it looks like. ♦
 

Sativied

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Biden ad highlighting Trump's calls for violence including his prediction that there will be a bloodbath when he loses.

It seems the whole point of phrasing it the way he did, and frequently does, is knowing the dems will react in a way that by his supporters can only be interpreted as an unreasonable overreaction. Every outrage from the left becomes perceived as faux. Don't know, I just long back to the days where someone would point out "that's a rather messed up way of putting it, but [comparison of my policies vs what Trump proposes]'.
 

Sativied

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Addendum:

An overview of common demagogue tactics:
  1. Playing on Emotions: They exploit fear, hope, and insecurity among the population, focusing on emotional appeal rather than rational arguments.
  2. Us vs. Them Mentality: They create and exacerbate divisions, presenting themselves as the voice of the "common people" against the perceived enemies, often established institutions or marginalized groups.
  3. Simplifying Complex Issues: Demagogues reduce complex socio-political issues to overly simplistic narratives, ignoring nuanced aspects.
  4. Attacking the Opposition: They often discredit and attack their opponents rather than engage with their arguments.
  5. False Claims and Distortions: Spreading misinformation and half-truths is a common tactic to shape public opinion.
  6. Charismatic Leadership: Many demagogues are charismatic, using personal magnetism and assertive speech to gain public support.
  7. Repetition: Repetition of simple, emotionally charged phrases or slogans can create a lasting impression on the public psyche.
  8. Blaming Scapegoats: They often identify scapegoats, blaming them for complex problems to deflect responsibility and criticism.
  9. Asserting Crisis: Creating a sense of perpetual crisis or impending doom, they justify extraordinary measures and consolidate power.
  10. Undermining Institutions: They may seek to undermine public trust in existing institutions and norms, portraying themselves as the only viable alternative.
  11. Populist Rhetoric: Using populist rhetoric, they claim to represent the "true will" of the people, often in opposition to the elite or the establishment.
  12. Personal Victimhood: Portraying themselves as victims of unfair treatment or conspiracies to gain sympathy and discredit opponents
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Fogdog

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It seems the whole point of phrasing it the way he did, and frequently does, is knowing the dems will react in a way that by his supporters can only be interpreted as an unreasonable overreaction. Every outrage from the left becomes perceived as faux. Don't know, I just long back to the days where someone would point out "that's a rather messed up way of putting it, but [comparison of my policies vs what Trump proposes]'.
"owning the libs" . Yes, his base might want to say that's what he's doing while snickering and giving each other noogies. He's a criminal who knows how to talk about committing crime in their criminal lingua franka. OTOH, Trump did tell his security adivisor that we should shoot protesters in the streets and had to be talked down from it. He did say "it will be wild" and his followers snickered at how he "owned the libs" when he said that and then it got wild on Jan 6. So, no, this isn't just Trump being juvenile. Trump advocates violence at almost every decision point, including when he faces up to the fact that he has a very good chance of losing the election this November. When a person tells us who he is, we should listen.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Addendum:

An overview of common demagogue tactics:
  1. Playing on Emotions: They exploit fear, hope, and insecurity among the population, focusing on emotional appeal rather than rational arguments.
  2. Us vs. Them Mentality: They create and exacerbate divisions, presenting themselves as the voice of the "common people" against the perceived enemies, often established institutions or marginalized groups.
  3. Simplifying Complex Issues: Demagogues reduce complex socio-political issues to overly simplistic narratives, ignoring nuanced aspects.
  4. Attacking the Opposition: They often discredit and attack their opponents rather than engage with their arguments.
  5. False Claims and Distortions: Spreading misinformation and half-truths is a common tactic to shape public opinion.
  6. Charismatic Leadership: Many demagogues are charismatic, using personal magnetism and assertive speech to gain public support.
  7. Repetition: Repetition of simple, emotionally charged phrases or slogans can create a lasting impression on the public psyche.
  8. Blaming Scapegoats: They often identify scapegoats, blaming them for complex problems to deflect responsibility and criticism.
  9. Asserting Crisis: Creating a sense of perpetual crisis or impending doom, they justify extraordinary measures and consolidate power.
  10. Undermining Institutions: They may seek to undermine public trust in existing institutions and norms, portraying themselves as the only viable alternative.
  11. Populist Rhetoric: Using populist rhetoric, they claim to represent the "true will" of the people, often in opposition to the elite or the establishment.
  12. Personal Victimhood: Portraying themselves as victims of unfair treatment or conspiracies to gain sympathy and discredit opponents
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Looks like he completed the twelve-step program
 

Sativied

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Looks like he completed the twelve-step program
Yeah checks all the boxes. List is based on Hitler, Mussolini and other famous fascist demagogue ‘leader’ tactics. Like pretty much all the far-right leaders in EU, it’s like there’s a manual…

Re: item 6. Charismatic Leadership: Many demagogues are charismatic, using personal magnetism and assertive speech to gain public support.

Reminds me of christian mythology, the anti-christ and older than the bible folklore about demons’ foul odor. As a kid I figured if these crazy christian kids in my street are right, surely I will recognize the supposedly also very charismatic anti-christ when he arrives. Turns out to be extremely subtjective, emphasis on extremely. For some he’s clearly devoid of morals and integrity, his voice, his demeanor, his tiny-mouthed piercing-eyed sticky-sweaty-orange-toad-skinned face results in pure disgust, for others he is “charismatic“. Everyone seems to agree he stinks though, literally reeks. Can fool eyes and ears and minds but the nose knows.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Yeah checks all the boxes. List is based on Hitler, Mussolini and other famous fascist demagogue ‘leader’ tactics. Like pretty much all the far-right leaders in EU, it’s like there’s a manual…

Re: item 6. Charismatic Leadership: Many demagogues are charismatic, using personal magnetism and assertive speech to gain public support.

Reminds me of christian mythology, the anti-christ and older than the bible folklore about demons’ foul odor. As a kid I figured if these crazy christian kids in my street are right, surely I will recognize the supposedly also very charismatic anti-christ when he arrives. Turns out to be extremely subtjective, emphasis on extremely. For some he’s clearly devoid of morals and integrity, his voice, his demeanor, his tiny-mouthed piercing-eyed sticky-sweaty-orange-toad-skinned face results in pure disgust, for others he is “charismatic“. Everyone seems to agree he stinks though, literally reeks. Can fool eyes and ears and minds but the nose knows.
Abomination of desolation surely seems to fit.
 

Sativied

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So, no, this isn't just Trump being juvenile. Trump advocates violence at almost every decision point, including when he faces up to the fact that he has a very good chance of losing the election this November. When a person tells us who he is, we should listen.
Entirely agree.

"owning the libs" .
Yes but as the package, a means of delivery. It’s about repeating loaded terms in casual contexts to cause cognitive habituation, the decrease in response to a stimulus after repeated presentations. It normalizes them, reducing their shock value and with that shifts the Overton window. The demagogue’s goal with this tactic is to suggest the other side is crying wolf, not so much what Haley and Trump Jr said the purpose was (feel better about being a loser and oppose political correctness).

When he says there will be a bloodbath in the US car industry if he doesn’t get elected and can’t introduce his policies it’s obviously not like he cares about the US car industry or the inflation for american tax-payers. Instead, he checks several of the boxes of the list I posted above.

I think the only potentially effective countermeasure is calling out the tactic, to confront it with critical thinking and facts. Taking the bait is not a countermeasure, it’s giving into playing his game, his rules, including point 4 in the list. In a way, the response from the left on the bloodbath comment could be labeled as “owning the magats”. I don’t think that serves anyone but those already voting Biden and seeing Trump for who he is.
 
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Sativied

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Abomination of desolation surely seems to fit.
As an inherent atheist, Christianity itself makes more sense to me than a Christian voting Trump. Just imagining the amount of cognitive dissonance that would cause gives me a headache.

2 Thessalonians 2:9-10, Revelation 13:5-8, Matthew 24:5 and on, Anti-christ will be a master of deceit. "The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies". Asserting a sense of crisis to gain power, the Antichrist is expected to emerge during a time of widespread turmoil and promise false solutions.

"The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders"

The lawless one with lying wonders... It has been pointed out many times Trump isn't team Jesus, he's unchristian, but does he need actual horns to qualify as anti-christ?
 

Dorian2

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Addendum:

An overview of common demagogue tactics:
  1. Playing on Emotions: They exploit fear, hope, and insecurity among the population, focusing on emotional appeal rather than rational arguments.
  2. Us vs. Them Mentality: They create and exacerbate divisions, presenting themselves as the voice of the "common people" against the perceived enemies, often established institutions or marginalized groups.
  3. Simplifying Complex Issues: Demagogues reduce complex socio-political issues to overly simplistic narratives, ignoring nuanced aspects.
  4. Attacking the Opposition: They often discredit and attack their opponents rather than engage with their arguments.
  5. False Claims and Distortions: Spreading misinformation and half-truths is a common tactic to shape public opinion.
  6. Charismatic Leadership: Many demagogues are charismatic, using personal magnetism and assertive speech to gain public support.
  7. Repetition: Repetition of simple, emotionally charged phrases or slogans can create a lasting impression on the public psyche.
  8. Blaming Scapegoats: They often identify scapegoats, blaming them for complex problems to deflect responsibility and criticism.
  9. Asserting Crisis: Creating a sense of perpetual crisis or impending doom, they justify extraordinary measures and consolidate power.
  10. Undermining Institutions: They may seek to undermine public trust in existing institutions and norms, portraying themselves as the only viable alternative.
  11. Populist Rhetoric: Using populist rhetoric, they claim to represent the "true will" of the people, often in opposition to the elite or the establishment.
  12. Personal Victimhood: Portraying themselves as victims of unfair treatment or conspiracies to gain sympathy and discredit opponents
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cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
As an inherent atheist, Christianity itself makes more sense to me than a Christian voting Trump. Just imagining the amount of cognitive dissonance that would cause gives me a headache.

2 Thessalonians 2:9-10, Revelation 13:5-8, Matthew 24:5 and on, Anti-christ will be a master of deceit. "The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies". Asserting a sense of crisis to gain power, the Antichrist is expected to emerge during a time of widespread turmoil and promise false solutions.

"The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders"

The lawless one with lying wonders... It has been pointed out many times Trump isn't team Jesus, he's unchristian, but does he need actual horns to qualify as anti-christ?
Stormy Daniels would know about any horns.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
1) the assault on Social Security continues.
2) Vouchers again! What is it with neoliberals and vouchers?
Could it be that they directly generate profits for the large insurers who spend heavily on campaigning “small government, end taxes” totalibertarians?

Naaah. That’s tinfoil. What am I thinking!

 

Grandpapy

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1) the assault on Social Security continues.
2) Vouchers again! What is it with neoliberals and vouchers?
Could it be that they directly generate profits for the large insurers who spend heavily on campaigning “small government, end taxes” totalibertarians?

Naaah. That’s tinfoil. What am I thinking!

Killing us off early could help SS. I read somewhere the regs amounted to almost 3 yrs shorter life.
A New York Times analysis identified 100 environmental protections that have been reversed or are in the process of getting rolled back. The administration’s record on chemical safety has been especially hazardous for the health of Americans, especially children.
 

OldMedUser

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That's thanks to tRump and thankfully Biden is reversing some and doing more for environmental protection so another good reason to vote Blue come Nov.

Our previous conservative gov't run by Stephen Harper for 10 years did a lot to remove protections and shut down scientific monitoring of pollution and climate change.

Here in Canada we have MAiD, Medical Assistance in Dying that thousands have taken advantage of to shorten their lives in the face of mostly terminal and painful illnesses. They were widening it's scope to allow people suffering with mental illnesses to take the easy way out too but that quickly got pulled off the table for further review and debate.

A lot of people, myself included, want to see a change for people suffering from or in risk of dementia. As it is now if you sign up for MAiD you have to go thru an approval process with 2 doctors recommendation. Then when the time comes to go you have to sign off that you still want the procedure and have to be of sound mind to do that.

What I and many others want to see is a change so you can set things up early in your diagnosis while still of sound mind and designate someone to sign off for you at some pre-arranged point in your cognitive decline. I was adopted and finally made contact with my birth family to find out my b-mom died of dementia just 6 months before I made contact. Diagnosed at age 65 and died 10 years later. I'm almost 70 now with no overt signs of following that path as yet but I've always been slow to catch up so who knows. I do not want to go out that way and we all got to go out eventually.

With so many of us boomers costing the medical system huge these days and so many with some form of dementia that can take many years of intensive care before you go it would save millions a year to put in that clause. I'm all for it.

:peace:
 

hanimmal

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