Horselover fat
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Whatabout
War
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Horselover fat
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"I did not attack anyone. I defend my home."
Lucky Luke
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They did.
Invading is one thing controlling is another. The English did it well and so did the Romans but times moved on.
Horselover fat
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She means business.
"Appeal of the First to the soldiers of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation
... We all need to stop the war together and bring real Freedom to Russia.
They are waiting for you at home, and you must return home as winners.
It is possible to win only by fighting for the truth, which is on the side of Free Russia and the whole world. The Putin regime must be overthrown.
Stop tolerating a tyrant! Join us in the Legion!
Our cause is right!
Putin will be destroyed! Victory will be ours!
"L"
For Russia! For freedom!"
I really like the Free Russia flag. It's pretty and reminds me of something...
"Appeal of the First to the soldiers of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation
... We all need to stop the war together and bring real Freedom to Russia.
They are waiting for you at home, and you must return home as winners.
It is possible to win only by fighting for the truth, which is on the side of Free Russia and the whole world. The Putin regime must be overthrown.
Stop tolerating a tyrant! Join us in the Legion!
Our cause is right!
Putin will be destroyed! Victory will be ours!
"L"
For Russia! For freedom!"
I really like the Free Russia flag. It's pretty and reminds me of something...
printer
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But Americans (and Western allies) let out to their public that those events happen. Sometimes it takes the press to do it. In Russia? "We liberated the city of ********* and had no civilian casualties and only target military installations." "Talk about it comrade and we will send you to prison." Even getting hauled away for holding up a blank sheet of paper. A little different military method of operation. Selective bombing compared to turning the place into a parking lot.
DIY-HP-LED
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Is Ukraine winning the war? | Major General Rupert Jones
3,321 views Jul 5, 2022 “It does feel as though time is more on the Ukrainian side than on the Russians.” Is Ukraine winning the war against Russia? Former standing joint forces commander Major General Rupert Jones discusses with John Pienaar on Times Radio.
printer
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Putin answered questions about the timing of the special operation in Ukraine
The Special Military Operation (SVO) is proceeding according to a "single plan", and the liberation of the Luhansk People's Republic (LPR) has become one of its stages. The next will be new offensives of the allied forces - this was made clear by Russian President Vladimir Putin, after listening to the report of Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu on July 4, URA.RU experts explain. Thus, Putin showed that all the tasks of the NMD are being solved as planned, and the plan for further military operations is already ready, the agency’s interlocutors believe.
The release of the LPR became known on July 3. However, on Monday, Putin personally received the report of Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu in the Kremlin. According to the minister, the offensive operation to liberate the LPR has been ongoing since June 19 under the command of Colonel General Alexander Lapin and Army General Sergei Surovikin. “In the course of two weeks, the groups in the Gorsky Cauldron, in the areas of Lisichansk and Severodonetsk, were surrounded and liquidated. 25 settlements were taken under control. The operation was completed yesterday with the liberation of one of the largest cities in the LPR - Lisichansk," Shoigu reported.
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The Special Military Operation (SVO) is proceeding according to a "single plan", and the liberation of the Luhansk People's Republic (LPR) has become one of its stages. The next will be new offensives of the allied forces - this was made clear by Russian President Vladimir Putin, after listening to the report of Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu on July 4, URA.RU experts explain. Thus, Putin showed that all the tasks of the NMD are being solved as planned, and the plan for further military operations is already ready, the agency’s interlocutors believe.
The release of the LPR became known on July 3. However, on Monday, Putin personally received the report of Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu in the Kremlin. According to the minister, the offensive operation to liberate the LPR has been ongoing since June 19 under the command of Colonel General Alexander Lapin and Army General Sergei Surovikin. “In the course of two weeks, the groups in the Gorsky Cauldron, in the areas of Lisichansk and Severodonetsk, were surrounded and liquidated. 25 settlements were taken under control. The operation was completed yesterday with the liberation of one of the largest cities in the LPR - Lisichansk," Shoigu reported.
Путин ответил на вопросы о сроках спецоперации на Украине
Российская армия готовится к новому наступлению
printer
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Military analyst Rozhin named the new goals of the RF Armed Forces after Lisichansk
After the armed forces of the Russian Federation took control of Lisichansk, the Armed Forces of Ukraine began to retreat to Seversk. Then the militants will go to Soledar, Bakhmut (Artemovsk), Slavyansk and Kramatorsk, these cities will become new targets for the RF Armed Forces. Boris Rozhin, an expert at the Center for Military-Political Journalism, spoke about this in an interview with URA.RU.
“What could have already departed to Seversk. Among those who could not retreat, there is a sweep. Further, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will defend Seversk, Soledar, Artemovsk. They will keep the defense, they will kill and then successively retreat. I don't think they will be able to stay in Seversk for a long time, maybe two weeks, and this will already be a great success for them. After they leave from there, they will retreat to Slavyansk, Kramatorsk. And then the western Donbass - the Krasnoarmeisky district. They will still cling there, ”Boris Rozhin explained.
The expert of the Center for Military-Political Journalism emphasized that the cities where the Armed Forces of Ukraine are retreating are important for Ukraine to replenish stocks of weapons. “Seversk is an intermediate city. But Slavyansk is important. Of course, not like Lisichansk and Severodonetsk, there is also something there. There is an airfield in Kramatorsk, which can also be used in military aviation. Soledar has large stores of small arms. Previously, more than 2 million small arms were stored there, now there are fewer, but still there. And part of the complex is underground. Therefore, these cities will be taken by the Russian Armed Forces, the task has been set. Seversk, Soledar, Artemovsk are our goals,” added Rozhin.
Earlier, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu announced the complete liberation of the LPR from Ukrainian nationalists. Control was established over Lisichansk and nearby settlements, in particular, Belogorovka, Novodruzhesk, Maloryazantsevo and Belaya Gora.
The special operation to demilitarize and denazify Ukraine began on February 24. Its purpose, according to Russian President Vladimir Putin, is to protect the inhabitants of Donbass from genocide.
After the armed forces of the Russian Federation took control of Lisichansk, the Armed Forces of Ukraine began to retreat to Seversk. Then the militants will go to Soledar, Bakhmut (Artemovsk), Slavyansk and Kramatorsk, these cities will become new targets for the RF Armed Forces. Boris Rozhin, an expert at the Center for Military-Political Journalism, spoke about this in an interview with URA.RU.
“What could have already departed to Seversk. Among those who could not retreat, there is a sweep. Further, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will defend Seversk, Soledar, Artemovsk. They will keep the defense, they will kill and then successively retreat. I don't think they will be able to stay in Seversk for a long time, maybe two weeks, and this will already be a great success for them. After they leave from there, they will retreat to Slavyansk, Kramatorsk. And then the western Donbass - the Krasnoarmeisky district. They will still cling there, ”Boris Rozhin explained.
The expert of the Center for Military-Political Journalism emphasized that the cities where the Armed Forces of Ukraine are retreating are important for Ukraine to replenish stocks of weapons. “Seversk is an intermediate city. But Slavyansk is important. Of course, not like Lisichansk and Severodonetsk, there is also something there. There is an airfield in Kramatorsk, which can also be used in military aviation. Soledar has large stores of small arms. Previously, more than 2 million small arms were stored there, now there are fewer, but still there. And part of the complex is underground. Therefore, these cities will be taken by the Russian Armed Forces, the task has been set. Seversk, Soledar, Artemovsk are our goals,” added Rozhin.
Earlier, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu announced the complete liberation of the LPR from Ukrainian nationalists. Control was established over Lisichansk and nearby settlements, in particular, Belogorovka, Novodruzhesk, Maloryazantsevo and Belaya Gora.
The special operation to demilitarize and denazify Ukraine began on February 24. Its purpose, according to Russian President Vladimir Putin, is to protect the inhabitants of Donbass from genocide.
DIY-HP-LED
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Let's talk about Sweden, Finland, and NATO....
DIY-HP-LED
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They had better pile on the artillery and MLRS support, it's the only thing that can stop the Russian artillery. Destroy the ammo dumps, the guns and the crews with counter battery radars and drones, suicide drones can help, but there are not enough with enough range to make a difference. Destroying equipment at night out on the open ground should be easier using drones, unless the Russians now have concentrated the means of dealing with them.
I believe a lot of the focus on training 10K Ukrainian troops in the UK is on operating western artillery, MLRS and other systems for when they get the gear they will have the people trained in it's use ready to go. Right now they need more artillery support and MLRS to reach out and destroy Russian ammo and fuel dumps far to the rear. Destroying Russian munitions is better than them using it up to destroy you! Guns are useless without munitions and the Ukrainians have the means to find the rear ammo dumps from various intelligence sources. It would be the most efficient use of limited resources.
Meanwhile the Russians are paying for the ground they gain in blood, munitions and equipment, as one BTG after another is destroyed or mauled to the point of being rendered ineffective.
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Ukrainian soldiers identify what weapon they need to fight Russia
7,359 views Jul 5, 2022 Ukrainian fighters in the Donbas region find themselves slowly being worn down by constant battering at the hands of Russian military forces. CNN's Phil Black reports how Russia is putting the squeeze on key areas in this important region of Ukraine.
I believe a lot of the focus on training 10K Ukrainian troops in the UK is on operating western artillery, MLRS and other systems for when they get the gear they will have the people trained in it's use ready to go. Right now they need more artillery support and MLRS to reach out and destroy Russian ammo and fuel dumps far to the rear. Destroying Russian munitions is better than them using it up to destroy you! Guns are useless without munitions and the Ukrainians have the means to find the rear ammo dumps from various intelligence sources. It would be the most efficient use of limited resources.
Meanwhile the Russians are paying for the ground they gain in blood, munitions and equipment, as one BTG after another is destroyed or mauled to the point of being rendered ineffective.
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7,359 views Jul 5, 2022 Ukrainian fighters in the Donbas region find themselves slowly being worn down by constant battering at the hands of Russian military forces. CNN's Phil Black reports how Russia is putting the squeeze on key areas in this important region of Ukraine.
BudmanTX
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finally found them huh...they've been cause havok in Russia right now..aka all the fires that have broken out
DIY-HP-LED
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There could be trouble inside Russia, in it's many republics and it is in Ukraine and the CIA's interest to foment it, starting with Belarus. Belarus has natural gas deposits right under the pipelines coming from Russia to Europe, Ukraine also has shares this rich gas field and has pipelines from Russia running over them too. Russia did it's best to keep these resources from being developed so it could sell more gas of it's own, it kept other neighbors poor and dependent too, where it could. It would make a good narrative and theme to broadcast to Belarus, you could be not just rich, but very rich, but Russia keeps you down. Go for some people's wallets and you might as well go for their throats!
Seriously, both Ukraine could be fabulously wealthy in a few years if their oil and gas resources are developed, they would go from Europe's poorest countries to their wealthiest very quickly. The EU want's Ukrainian membership because it represents energy independence for Europe, while it transitions to something better. All that is standing in the way is the Russian army and I figure greed and self interest will help to move the reluctant Europeans the most. The eastern European NATO members (and others) want the Russian army destroyed or seriously degraded. A longer war keeps reluctant Europeans onside and destroys more of the Russian army and economy. The longer the war, the longer it will take Russia to climb out of the hole it dug for itself and the less of a threat they will be to others, including Finland.
Horselover fat
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Svoboda Rossii is also a legion of the Ukrainian army. Both Russian and Belarussian defectors. Apparently >500 fighters and she is rheir first female fighter.
I messed up. I don't speak russian and I thought what I posted was all she said. But here's the whole speech.
"In May of this year, I crossed the border to Ukraine and joined the Legion Freedom of Russia. As it were, I'm the first woman legionnaire! On the 20th of March (inaudible), Karyrovitses shot & executed my husband, a sargeant of the 76th division. He had refused to send his men to their deaths. He wanted to leave and save his soldiers. I am here for vengeance. For sticking it to putinists and kadyrovites. For avenging the death of my husband and all the guys who will never return home because of Putin.
I now address the RF soldier directly. Guys, Putin already LOST. And you yourselves have to know the obvious by now: it is impossible to win a war against the whole world. We must all together help stop this war and bring true Freedom to Russia. They are waiting for you back home and you must return victorious. And the only way to achieve victory is to be fighting for truth and for freedom in the first place, the freedom which the Legion stands for and the rest of the free world stands for. Putin's regime must be thrown out.
Time to stop tolerating the tyrant, join us at Legion Freedom Russia!"
BudmanTX
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nice....nothing worse than a woman scorn.......
p.s i think they're number are a little higher than that imo and from what i've read
Horselover fat
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Belarus had uprisings a while back. The people of Belarus are not very happy with the idiot in charge. There are huge riots in Uzbekistan's Karakalpakstan region and there will be more. Using ethnic minorities to do the fighting keeps the reality hidden from ethnic russians, but it may destabilize many regions when they realize they are being used as cannon fodder. Some Tuvanians are starting to ask questions:
"A charity concert with famous Tuvinian artists was held in Kyzyl. The purpose of the collection was announced as support for the Tuvinian soldiers currently fighting in Ukraine. The most important item on the shopping list was radio communication equipment. Radios.
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We have previously written about how exactly the Russian army is now using Tuvinian soldiers. They are mostly communicators transmitting information from the hot front line to the troops behind. Some might call it an "honorary role". In reality, it's a suicide bomber's ticket. The shortest way to die on the battlefield.
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But why Tuvans? The answer lies in our language. Tuvan is a rare language, spoken by only 200 thousand people in the world.
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You could say it's the perfect way to conduct secret negotiations. A cipher that no one but another Tuvan can unravel. A secret code accessible only to the Russian army. We've heard that somewhere before.
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The idea of using indigenous peoples in wars fought by the titular nation is not new. During the Second World War, the Americans actively used the Navajo Indians as radio ciphers.
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Really, why reinvent the wheel, if you can send unwanted national minorities to the slaughter. Cheap and sulphurous.
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A month after the ill-fated concert, a cadet concert was held in Kyzyl. It was also in support of the military. The first part of the programme was dedicated to the theme "Multinational Russia".
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Just appreciate the irony: to hold a concert in support of Tuvinian soldiers who die more often than others at the front because of a deliberate policy of the army leadership, under the slogan "Multinational Russia"!
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While in all major cities of the country Tuvinians and other non-Russians are discriminated against, called "churks" and "narrow-eyed", refused to rent flats because they are "only for Slavs".
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While the Tuvinian guys - under the oppression of suffocating loans, fear of poverty and life-long debts, without prospects of normal self-fulfillment in their native republic - are sent to perish in Ukraine, their families are asked to donate their last money for walkie-talkies.
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Is it fair at all?"
No it isn't.
I'm starting to believe Russian Federation is on it's last legs.
Roger A. Shrubber
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isn't it funny how they're "liberating" a Ukrainian city from the Ukrainians? some people might call that theft....Putin answered questions about the timing of the special operation in Ukraine
The Special Military Operation (SVO) is proceeding according to a "single plan", and the liberation of the Luhansk People's Republic (LPR) has become one of its stages. The next will be new offensives of the allied forces - this was made clear by Russian President Vladimir Putin, after listening to the report of Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu on July 4, URA.RU experts explain. Thus, Putin showed that all the tasks of the NMD are being solved as planned, and the plan for further military operations is already ready, the agency’s interlocutors believe.
The release of the LPR became known on July 3. However, on Monday, Putin personally received the report of Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu in the Kremlin. According to the minister, the offensive operation to liberate the LPR has been ongoing since June 19 under the command of Colonel General Alexander Lapin and Army General Sergei Surovikin. “In the course of two weeks, the groups in the Gorsky Cauldron, in the areas of Lisichansk and Severodonetsk, were surrounded and liquidated. 25 settlements were taken under control. The operation was completed yesterday with the liberation of one of the largest cities in the LPR - Lisichansk," Shoigu reported.
Путин ответил на вопросы о сроках спецоперации на Украине
Российская армия готовится к новому наступлению
but russia has always been a nation of liars and thieves, since their inception. the only time they have ever done anything noble is when they had no other choice. people admire them for their sacrifice during WW2...but did they really have a choice? think they wouldn't have redirected all those germans to British or American troops and let them take the deaths instead if they could have?
do not nobilize the ignoble....
Roger A. Shrubber
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too bad that isn't in moscow
BudmanTX
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i know right...dunno what they had stored there, i did give off a good show though.....