Do cuttings take longer time to root in a colder environment with lower humidity?
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madvillian420
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yes. around 80 is ideal for temp, i use rockwool though.
Babalonian
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Pardon my late night looong response… It’s this or I leave my garage and bong to continue billing customers on my computer upstairs… thanks for reading
Im in a similar situation, I inherited about 10 clones over 2 months ago, lived the first 3 weeks in garage in November, (leftovers my wife brought home one night), same conditions you have-ish.
Their toes are cold, they’re going to struggle if you can’t warm the roots up to 70-ish like I did when I could (good sunny or -ish weather, they got to sunbathe for an hour or two, but with a humidity dome).
I’d imagine 80 would of been better as suggested above.
If the time machine wasn’t stuck in impound, I would of bought a seedling heat mat the day after my sweety brought them home… ya know, when you/I can getaway with buying a few things on Amazon for my then-new project that the bossess brought home (… that box that was delivered today before I got home from work, y’know, about the size of a slate2-triple hsink, but with a relatively obvious horticulturaly-themed return address… that really couldn’t of showed up on a BETTER day this week. She didn’t notice it along with those 5 other packages the postman that arrived delivered for my job.)
Mine didn’t suffer but the first couple weeks it took me to dial in making them as happy and as often as I could (saving them from the compost/trash in early November and all… at least that’s going to be my excuse for this “crop”, first I’ve done in over 15yrs lol).
Don’t let ‘em dry out, but mine definitely were happier little-Goldilocks not having their rockwool too soaked.
Quick question on my setup that kinda got me concerned tonight though… you think the odds are good or bad for me going forward this weekend, that a certain significant-other-of-mine, is not going to unusually notice the new glow from the backyard greenhouse? Even if you dim two QB648s to ~25-35%?… maybe?
Im in a similar situation, I inherited about 10 clones over 2 months ago, lived the first 3 weeks in garage in November, (leftovers my wife brought home one night), same conditions you have-ish.
Their toes are cold, they’re going to struggle if you can’t warm the roots up to 70-ish like I did when I could (good sunny or -ish weather, they got to sunbathe for an hour or two, but with a humidity dome).
I’d imagine 80 would of been better as suggested above.
If the time machine wasn’t stuck in impound, I would of bought a seedling heat mat the day after my sweety brought them home… ya know, when you/I can getaway with buying a few things on Amazon for my then-new project that the bossess brought home (… that box that was delivered today before I got home from work, y’know, about the size of a slate2-triple hsink, but with a relatively obvious horticulturaly-themed return address… that really couldn’t of showed up on a BETTER day this week. She didn’t notice it along with those 5 other packages the postman that arrived delivered for my job.)
Mine didn’t suffer but the first couple weeks it took me to dial in making them as happy and as often as I could (saving them from the compost/trash in early November and all… at least that’s going to be my excuse for this “crop”, first I’ve done in over 15yrs lol).
Don’t let ‘em dry out, but mine definitely were happier little-Goldilocks not having their rockwool too soaked.
Quick question on my setup that kinda got me concerned tonight though… you think the odds are good or bad for me going forward this weekend, that a certain significant-other-of-mine, is not going to unusually notice the new glow from the backyard greenhouse? Even if you dim two QB648s to ~25-35%?… maybe?
MedicinalMyA$$
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My experiences:
Perfect temperature is 29C / 84.2F
Enough moisture to keep the media damp and a fine mist of condensation on the inside of the cloning container/ propagation dome
Refresh air once or twice a day (lift the lid and waft / blow the air away for a second or two then put the lid back on
I have found an ambient temperature works consistently better than a heat mat
I prefer peat/coco/soil/moss to rockwool
If the temps swing too much I get rot, a slow transition is better, cuts from a warm donor take better
Cloning dips/powders made no difference
Cold temps leads to high failure rate and or taking a long time to root
Overall most important is warm and moist
My cuttings are in a 1.5g DWC water system.
I think I need a small water heater to raise temps like 5-10 degrees. This is the thing I put my cuttings in for DWC.
1 -Dewey Mister Clone Master (14 site) | eBay
Would a $20 heat mat work?? I just need to raise the temp maybe 5-10 degrees. The dewey mister thing I have holds about 1.5 gallons of water.
1 -Dewey Mister Clone Master (14 site) | eBay
Would a $20 heat mat work?? I just need to raise the temp maybe 5-10 degrees. The dewey mister thing I have holds about 1.5 gallons of water.
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Babalonian
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Your thread is becoming too interesting to me (we smoking the same strain or what? Platinum Bubba today)I’ve no-joke been looking at aeroponic/clone things on Amazon for the last hour before reading up on this.
Back in late November I thought smart and watered my adopted clone starts with not-cold water. I had just planted their rockwool cubes into Dixie cups, and it was the first deep soak after trans. First one I hit I thought it was maybe too warm. One leaf that wasn’t limp prior went immediate warm-water-on-lettuce-leaf look. I thought whoops dumbass, watered the rest a bit cooler. Fast-forward to the next transplant 2-3 weeks later. All other variables I think the same (bro science and all), and of the lot of 10, the one that looked like it had a poached lettuce leaf for 3-4 days had ~250% the root development of her sisters.
Today it’s now my pet favorite of that lot, always gets a good spot under the light, etc.. maybe will take one cutting from it before putting it in flower, I don’t think it’s that special… but I’d hate to be wrong.
My first heat mat showed up 2 days ago, it will be put to use soon on clones and seeds, I want to take/start 6-8 clones in the next 2 days.
Been thinking for months about trying a cheap clone-machine thingy, run a comparison, so I might hit the place order button after some sleep. If I do, and you care, I’ll report back my experimenting.
I’ve had a lucky/good (albeit relatively slow) success rate with just rockwool, cloneX and a humidity dome in my unheated garage and a nice little T5 lamp.
Would you recommend the one you have been using (so far)? Does anyone have a recommendation for one of these aeroponic clone starters that’s good for a first time experience/experiment?
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Star Dog
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I used a heavy duty 30w seedling matt held with bungee cord around my nutrient tank, i had to use a controller to prevent it over heating the nutrient, i was surprised ar the impact 30w made.
HydroKid239
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Point a small space heater at them from a distance. Never mind humidity. Not necessary to get roots. Get it above 72F. I root in cups of water & outside the tent. Ambient environment is about 73-74 ish RH is about 37%. I rooted in 10 days.. well I went back to check on it in 7 days.. nothing.. day 10 was this:
HydroKid239
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That literally sits outside my tent.. on a chest.. next to a window with high temps in the teens outside.
Horselover fat
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This is what I've found too. As long as the medium is moist enough the clones will be fine. Dome is an added complication.
Milky Weed
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I did some bags over my clones last time for humidity, Im going to try and skip it next time. It was a pain hardening them off again to normal humidity air.
Horselover fat
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I can't be sure if it will work for everyone, but seems to work fine for me. I take small clones, but hydrokid above seems to take bigger ones and does fine. I literally just choose supple small branchlets, cut in very shallow angle and stick in peat puck. I add water when needed and keep the pucks wet all the time. Nutes after they are rooted.
calvin.m16
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T5 or LED we run clone room @ 78-80 °F Day | 72-75 °F night, I try keeping humidity around 50-55% and most cuttings pop roots within 8-10 days..
Prior to keeping the room above 70 °F during the winter the room would go as low as 65 °F and we had clones take 20-22 days......
If you're having really dry conditions like say below 40% then you will want to add a humidifier or use a dome system to trap moisture in the cuttings.
Prior to keeping the room above 70 °F during the winter the room would go as low as 65 °F and we had clones take 20-22 days......
If you're having really dry conditions like say below 40% then you will want to add a humidifier or use a dome system to trap moisture in the cuttings.
GanjaJack
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Yes, if they don't just slime up first.... My EZ Cloner is VERY particular. To low of a temp, they slime... To high of a temp, they slime...
70-75f seems to be the sweet spot.
I converted to using BlackGold seedling mix, I get 2, 6 oz cups, put a little 1/4 inch hole in the bottom of one, fill it with seedling mix and the clone. Put the empty 6oz cup on top, as a dome.
Put both those cups into an 8oz cup as a reservoir, I get a rooted clone in 2 weeks ready to transplant with the cup showing roots all over the place.
I find this method to be slower, but, far more reliable than the mister... Soil allows for more consistent everything, from environment to grow medium. Rather than fluctuation of water temps, etc etc..
And you can start your plants in a little soil and put them into DWC, once they get roots showing strong enough, you can rinse some of the soil off and then put it in your DWC with your expanded clay stones, most times without an issue. SOMETIMES, if you leave to much soil around the stem, it can promote stem rot at the base because the soil tends to wick. So when you rinse off the soil before putting it into your DWC, you want to make sure to rinse off as much as you can at the first root sticking out at where your "soil line" would be.
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Herb & Suds
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Using pool shock will solve your issues in an ez cloner
The water in mine is currently 3 months old
Kdoggy
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I just use a dwc with 1” rockwool with tap water and 3 air stones so water splashes bottom of cutting which hangs 1” below rockwool. I put in my furnace room under 1 cfl bulb. I dip with rooting powder and put in there. Never had a clone die yet in 3 years of using this method. Heres a couple pics very easy cheap set up. 
Star Dog
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I made a bubble cloner with 2x 12" stones and a 4x outlet air pump it works great but there's a noise penalty from the air pump itself.
I think the 2x12" air stones and 4 tap pump is probably overkill i think now that some gentle circulation should maintain oxygen levels for cloning?
I'm going to try just a 7w power head pump, the pump is nearly silent and also raises the water temperature by 6c over ambient whilst adding a bit of oxygen.
I'll know in 2 weeks how good or bad it is
I think the 2x12" air stones and 4 tap pump is probably overkill i think now that some gentle circulation should maintain oxygen levels for cloning?
I'm going to try just a 7w power head pump, the pump is nearly silent and also raises the water temperature by 6c over ambient whilst adding a bit of oxygen.
I'll know in 2 weeks how good or bad it is