To pray or not to pray?

Hydro4life · Mar 26, 2019

3rd Monkey said:
Not the same. There's a healthy posture (straight out and "perky"), I call it at attention, and then there is elevated pointing up, which is praying. The only time I see outdoor plants pray is in 90+ weather.

Hey 3rdMonkey! I noticed you said this a while ago and always thought it was a good thing. Very interesting, when i look back at my last grow, I saw a strong praying from my ladies early flower, after a few weeks the tops started lightening from lights being too close. Makes sense now!! Too much of a good thing is not always good!?

3rd Monkey · Mar 26, 2019

Hydro4life said:
Hey 3rdMonkey! I noticed you said this a while ago and always thought it was a good thing. Very interesting, when i look back at my last grow, I saw a strong praying from my ladies early flower, after a few weeks the tops started lightening from lights being too close. Makes sense now!! Too much of a good thing is not always good!?

Right. It's not that it's bad per se, just that it's a stress signifier, in my opinion. Unchecked stress will do stressful things lol.

Hydro4life · Mar 26, 2019

3rd Monkey said:
Right. It's not that it's bad per se, just that it's a stress signifier, in my opinion. Unchecked stress will do stressful things lol.

I grow predominantly in dwc and when things go bad, they can go bad fast. So i try to monitor any sign of stress as early as possible. Maybe with my last grow the strong praying had nothing to do with the slight light burn i recieved? it's always great to be able to read the plant before any permanent damage is done and adjust accordingly in my opinion.

3rd Monkey · Mar 26, 2019

Hydro4life said:
I grow predominantly in dwc and when things go bad, they can go bad fast. So i try to monitor any sign of stress as early as possible. Maybe with my last grow the strong praying had nothing to do with the slight light burn i recieved? it's always great to be able to read the plant before any permanent damage is done and adjust accordingly in my opinion.

Couldn't agree more.

Kushash · Mar 26, 2019

I have always felt my plants were happiest when praying indoors.
It seems to happens most often when they are not showing signs of deficiency or toxicity.
I'm pretty sure I've seen it with high and low temps and high and low humidity.
I really feel a healthy soil with proper watering plays a big role.
In hydro indoors I see it most often with the growers that have everything dialed in.

These were taken a few days ago.
They are all at different heights in my perpetual.
The tall one is always close to the light.
The plants in solo cups are sort of praying in a different environment under LED.
The last picture of a small plant praying was added to the flower room 4 days ago.

Just my 2c.
This is one of dozens of topics that won't be agreed upon any time soon lol.

Hydro4life · Mar 26, 2019

Kushash said:
I have always felt my plants were happiest when praying indoors.
It seems to happens most often when they are not showing signs of deficiency or toxicity.
I'm pretty sure I've seen it with high and low temps and high and low humidity.
I really feel a healthy soil with proper watering plays a big role.
In hydro indoors I see it most often with the growers that have everything dialed in.

These were taken a few days ago.
They are all at different heights in my perpetual.
The tall one is always close to the light.
The plants in solo cups are sort of praying in a different environment under LED.
The last picture of a small plant praying was added to the flower room 4 days ago.

Just my 2c.
This is one of dozens of topics that won't be agreed upon any time soon lol.

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Very nice kushash! Maybe it's just me but i would say that's a normal (maybe not the right choice of word haha) intensity of praying...? I think they look happy and content.

3rd Monkey · Mar 26, 2019

Kushash said:
I have always felt my plants were happiest when praying indoors.
It seems to happens most often when they are not showing signs of deficiency or toxicity.
I'm pretty sure I've seen it with high and low temps and high and low humidity.
I really feel a healthy soil with proper watering plays a big role.
In hydro indoors I see it most often with the growers that have everything dialed in.

These were taken a few days ago.
They are all at different heights in my perpetual.
The tall one is always close to the light.
The plants in solo cups are sort of praying in a different environment under LED.
The last picture of a small plant praying was added to the flower room 4 days ago.

Just my 2c.
This is one of dozens of topics that won't be agreed upon any time soon lol.

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Honestly, I don't see much praying. Most of your leaves in the first few pics are angling towards the light since they are against the wall.

The last pic they are also folding, so your environment is at play.

Just my observation.

Hydro4life · Mar 26, 2019

3rd Monkey said:
Honestly, I don't see much praying. Most of your leaves in the first few pics are angling towards the light since they are against the wall.

The last pic they are also folding, so your environment is at play.

Just my observation.

Yes I agree. Looks to me on the 2nd photo, the one/s at the front may have been fed a little too much nitrogen? (Wont help with praying) But all and all, looks good kushash!!

Kushash · Mar 26, 2019

3rd Monkey said:
Honestly, I don't see much praying. Most of your leaves in the first few pics are angling towards the light since they are against the wall.

The last pic they are also folding, so your environment is at play.

Just my observation.

I totally agree they are not in the best environment they could be and agree with your assessment.
They are real time pics.
I have hundreds of file photos over the years of all stages of praying with near perfect leaves.
These really don't compare to those but I like showing real time over pics from previous years when I can even if they aren't totally dialed in.

Kushash · Mar 26, 2019

3rd Monkey said:
Honestly, I don't see much praying. Most of your leaves in the first few pics are angling towards the light since they are against the wall.

The last pic they are also folding, so your environment is at play.

Just my observation.

I just saw another example of two plants praying in my room, it always changes.
I'm going to take a better pic with good color and want to see what you guys think.
They are different heights and look pretty good to me.
I'll get a couple of pics shortly.

Hydro4life · Mar 26, 2019

Kushash said:
I totally agree they are not in the best environment they could be and agree with your assessment.
They are real time pics.
I have hundreds of file photos over the years of all stages of praying with near perfect leaves.
These really don't compare to those but I like showing real time over pics from previous years when I can even if they aren't totally dialed in.

Was there any correlation with hard praying leaves and light stress in your opinion kushash??

Kushash · Mar 26, 2019

Hydro4life said:
Was there any corolation with hard praying leaves and light stress in your opinion kushash??

I have a feeling yes but I can't really say.
The example I'm going to show is a plant that is 44" from the soil line and the other is 56" from the soil line.
My big plant, the bud shown in the other post is about 5 weeks into flowering and is 66" tall and probably does get stressed being between the two lights and being so close. Some tops do get stressed but I don't stress about it.

The two plants I just took pics of look healthy to me, just need to check the pics to see if they came out OK.

Kushash · Mar 26, 2019

All the pics came out pretty good so I'll post them all.
The younger ones always look better.

Is this praying guys?
The good or the bad kind.

What do you think @Dr. Who?
A lot of what I learned came from you.

Sorry if it is a lot of pics, I figured I'd post them all.

Need to go amend a batch of soil for my MJ plants and for the spring garden.
Thank God for cannabis topicals lol. :peace:

3rd Monkey · Mar 26, 2019

Kushash said:
All the pics came out pretty good so I'll post them all.
The younger ones always look better.

Is this praying guys?
The good or the bad kind.

What do you think @Dr. Who?
A lot of what I learned came from you.

Sorry if it is a lot of pics, I figured I'd post them all.

Need to go amend a batch of soil for my MJ plants and for the spring garden.
Thank God for cannabis topicals lol.

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I will try to clarify this in the easiest way I can, because I think I spot the confusion now.

The petiole (stem) is firm and pointing up, this is a good thing.

The leaves follow suit, they have to because they are attached. Look at the rest of the petiole/leaf structure, all following suit.

However, the tall one is showing a small stress signifier in my opinion, because it is beginning to fold, suggesting transpiration is slightly above normal.

All that really means is that it is "panting" a bit. Nothing bad, but if you stress it just a tad more with a higher temp, lower humidity, or more light... That folding will become tacoing which now means you are stressing the plant. Consider it a precursor.

Thundercat · Mar 26, 2019

Kushash said:
All the pics came out pretty good so I'll post them all.
The younger ones always look better.

Is this praying guys?
The good or the bad kind.

What do you think @Dr. Who?
A lot of what I learned came from you.

Sorry if it is a lot of pics, I figured I'd post them all.

Need to go amend a batch of soil for my MJ plants and for the spring garden.
Thank God for cannabis topicals lol.

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They sure look happy and health to me. Gently praying, like the previous pictures you posted. The leaves don't seem to be folding in on themselves or anything I would take as a negative reaction.

Hydro4life · Mar 26, 2019

Nearly depends on what photo im looking at. I can see where 3rdMonkey is coming from when you look at the 5th and 6th pictures. Can you remember a few weeks on if you had a bit of lightening on the top leaves?? To me they look great. Would be interesting to know if you got a little light stress?? That would nearly clear things up I think??

Kushash · Mar 26, 2019

3rd Monkey said:
I will try to clarify this in the easiest way I can, because I think I spot the confusion now.

The petiole (stem) is firm and pointing up, this is a good thing.

The leaves follow suit, they have to because they are attached. Look at the rest of the petiole/leaf structure, all following suit.

However, the tall one is showing a small stress signifier in my opinion, because it is beginning to fold, suggesting transpiration is slightly above normal.

All that really means is that it is "panting" a bit. Nothing bad, but if you stress it just a tad more with a higher temp, lower humidity, or more light... That folding will become tacoing which now means you are stressing the plant. Consider it a precursor.

The temps could be better for sure.
They were hitting 79 with lights on and are touching near 81 on occasion now.
Almost time to turn on the A/C but I always hold out a few weeks in the spring time before turning it on.
Temps are something I deal with in the spring and summer.
Humidity has been pretty good averaging between 43 - 49.
I'm curious what Dr. Who thinks of them and of your assessment.
I enjoy all opinions as there is always something to learn.

Hydro4life · Mar 26, 2019

Kushash said:
The temps could be better for sure.
They were hitting 79 with lights on and are touching near 81 on occasion now.
Almost time to turn on the A/C but I always hold out a few weeks in the spring time before turning it on.
Temps are something I deal with in the spring and summer.
Humidity has been pretty good averaging between 43 - 49.
I'm curious what Dr. Who thinks of them and of your assessment.
I enjoy all opinions as there is always something to learn.

Sounds like you've pretty much got things under control kushash! And Amen to that brother!

Kushash · Mar 26, 2019

Hydro4life said:
Nearly depends on what photo im looking at. I can see where 3rdMonkey is coming from when you look at the 5th and 6th pictures. Can you remember a few weeks on if you had a bit of lightening on the top leaves?? To me they look great. Would be interesting to know if you got a little light stress?? That would nearly clear things up I think??

I never get to that point of stress where the leaves show that type of discoloration stress.
I will see stress in the leaves with corners lifting and drying out and also folding.

Hydro4life · Mar 26, 2019

Kushash said:
I never get to that point of stress where the leaves show that type of discoloration stress.
I will see stress in the leaves with corners lifting and drying out and also folding.

Interesting. I would think that if they are praying too much then praying too much is not a bad thing or like thundercat said, they are "gently praying"........?

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