NFTG. Nectar For The Gods

I've applied teas to a soil that didn't have enough amendments(too low slurry #s) to satisfy the ridiculous numbers you get from teas and they depleted the soil so fast that when I hit them with the next feed and BK drench ,my soil crashed!! the soil SLURRIES remained in the low 150 range no matter how much nectar I through at it them the rest of the grow. It took out all my calcium reserves in the soil so that i had to feed heavy with loads of calcium daily, if I didn't I would have calcium deficiency over night. It was crazy, one of the Nectar viewer questions videos mentions this perfect storm scenario and I'm pretty sure thats what happened to me. It's what taught me what BK can do and how and when to use it to insane advantages!! This line is so Damn fun to learn!!

bubba73 said:

interesting … what I should of done ,sprinkle in bigfoot and then water bigfoot in ? now in using RO water so I add fullon to get micro back in water ..maybe what I should of done when I did a transplant was to sprinkle bigfoot (granular) in hole then watered in the (concentrate ) then start the FFT ? and get on the nectar feeding regiment ?

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Correct, much safer and plant will transition from the transplant much smoother.

Aloe is a good addition with the Bigfoot when you water in, buildasoil sells a small pack that goes a long way. Or you can get a little $2 aloe plant and just use the inner gel. Makes for a seamless transplant, I don't even get slowed growth....quite the opposite, it triggers growth!! Also, I don't dmage or untangle any roots, just dust it and slip it into its new home.

IrieRoots said:

Correct, much safer and plant will transition from the transplant much smoother.

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im catching on !!!! ill have a bunch of questions just rereading your comments .. ill add oneshot in my amended soil but only when im like in 30 days before I use the soil .. good or bad idea ? another thing with transplant , ill do a foliar spray with root dip to help with shock ….

IrieRoots said:

Aloe is a good addition with the Bigfoot when you water in, buildasoil sells a small pack that goes a long way. Or you can get a little $2 aloe plant and just use the inner gel. Makes for a seamless transplant, I don't even get slowed growth....quite the opposite, it triggers growth!! Also, I don't dmage or untangle any roots, just dust it and slip it into its new home.

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thanks !!! was just looking at that !!!! ive seen crushed lobster shells (lobster meal) has a calcium of 8% has 6-2-0 be good in veg I think when using BK as a foliar ? then use fish bone meal (concentrates ) in flower as TD ? also use Be-1 pellets , ?

IrieRoots said:

I've applied teas to a soil that didn't have enough amendments(too low slurry #s) to satisfy the ridiculous numbers you get from teas and they depleted the soil so fast that when I hit them with the next feed and BK drench ,my soil crashed!! the soil SLURRIES remained in the low 150 range no matter how much nectar I through at it them the rest of the grow. It took out all my calcium reserves in the soil so that i had to feed heavy with loads of calcium daily, if I didn't I would have calcium deficiency over night. It was crazy, one of the Nectar viewer questions videos mentions this perfect storm scenario and I'm pretty sure thats what happened to me. It's what taught me what BK can do and how and when to use it to insane advantages!! This line is so Damn fun to learn!!

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I ran into those issues with low ppms and it took double feeding to get that ppm above 300 , insane !! I also let the soil get dry and over nite she drooped then yellowed out … im use to hydro where shit happens fast but damn soil was the same way ...I also had where my ph was doing a swing for a day or 2 .. be 6.6 then 7.2 then back to 6.7 … like I told scott im always pushing … yes it fun to learn !!!! I like it !!!

with aloe and coconut you add them as tea or stand alone ?

bubba73 said:

im catching on !!!! ill have a bunch of questions just rereading your comments .. ill add oneshot in my amended soil but only when im like in 30 days before I use the soil .. good or bad idea ? another thing with transplant , ill do a foliar spray with root dip to help with shock ….

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I too foliar the root dip, that shouldn't hurt anything. I would do it the next day after transplant. Before you add the one shot to your amended soil I would need to know what it's amended with and how much per cubic foot of soil. When I use one shot its after the cycle to re-ammend (recycle) my soil. I can give you a good recipe, so you don't have to keep buying bags of soil every time you want to grow. And shoot any questions you have, I enjoy helping where I can.

bubba73 said:

with aloe and coconut you add them as tea or stand alone ?

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You can add with teas, I use aloe in veg up to the first week of flower because it has compounds that promote root growth (salicylic acid) and tons of vitamins & aminos. Then in flower I cut the aloe and switch to the coconut. The coconut is loaded with enzymes and cytokinons, plus the powder is mixed with dextrose so it's a good sugar source. Also, both products can be foliar sprayed, plants will pray hard!! Only need to use them like once a week, or every other week.

bubba73 said:

thanks !!! was just looking at that !!!! ive seen crushed lobster shells (lobster meal) has a calcium of 8% has 6-2-0 be good in veg I think when using BK as a foliar ? then use fish bone meal (concentrates ) in flower as TD ? also use Be-1 pellets , ?

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The crushed lobster is great product but needs more time to break down before you see benefits, it would be better to use when recycling soil. I use fish bone concentrate from time to time as TopD or will add to Flower repot soil......with a light hand, like 1/4-1/2 the recommended dose. The Be-1 takes the guess work out and for me, it works great.

IrieRoots said:

I too foliar the root dip, that shouldn't hurt anything. I would do it the next day after transplant. Before you add the one shot to your amended soil I would need to know what it's amended with and how much per cubic foot of soil. When I use one shot its after the cycle to re-ammend (recycle) my soil. I can give you a good recipe, so you don't have to keep buying bags of soil every time you want to grow. And shoot any questions you have, I enjoy helping where I can.

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I amend 1.5 cu ft. per bin . my recipe is #4 soil , earthshine biochar , Bokashi , worm castings , one shot .. be interested what you use .. I also took notice on build a soil they have Bokashi with EM-1 , I think using that over Bokashi mite be better ? I keep a fresh soil around when im doing a seedling / new strain …..but I like to make a super soil too … where can Be-1 be had ?

bubba73 said:

I amend 1.5 cu ft. per bin . my recipe is #4 soil , earthshine biochar , Bokashi , worm castings , one shot .. be interested what you use .. I also took notice on build a soil they have Bokashi with EM-1 , I think using that over Bokashi mite be better ? I keep a fresh soil around when im doing a seedling / new strain …..but I like to make a super soil too … where can Be-1 be had ?

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Be-1 is on Amazon, it's $20 a bag and if you go to the Be-1 homepage there is great info, you will see why I recommend it!! they have a Be-2 product too but its just micronized humic acid and that base is covered well by Nectar and other products we both use.
Most all bokashi is innoculated with EM-1, buildasoil just carries the brand that trademarks EM-1(teraganix). Its pricey compared to other brands, on Amazon the Bokashi Brothers or SCD Probiotic both are good bokashi at 1/2 the price.
So that amended soil is your version of a super soil? Do you still feed nectar at regular strength with the ammended soil? Your recipe is pretty much my recycled soil recipe to recharge after a run, pretty kick ass, Tim McCormick of Cultured does a great recycle video that is pretty much everything you are doing.
I do more of a living soil rather than a super soil, in particular the Version 3 recipe on buildasoil. If you look at the Version 2 soil on Buildasoil there is a link to Modern Microbes website and theres lots of good info there too. Check out GrowingOrganic dot com too....loads of info on all things living soil. I don't run Nectar with buildasoil version soil mixes, sometimes Herc if needed. I'm curios about experimenting more with using Herc to drive a living soil. I think it could really be a gamechanger!!

Also, go to a beer brewstore and you can get Malted Barley Grains and they will mill them for you. Its a great TopD ingredient, worm food, soil mix additive. Its loaded with enzymes and sugars. It can be bubbled in water to be an instant Seed sprout tea. Clackamas coot swears by it, uses it to set resin glands for ripening....TERPTASTIC!!

Most biochar are innoculated with EM-1 too, and usually fish hydrolysate. It is a microbe house, Bokashi bran is similar but has its benefits too, sea minerals, molasses, photosynthetic bacteria, lactic acid to name a few and bokashi has NPK too. Liquid EM-1 gets it down in the root zone where as the Bokashi sits on your TopD to break it down and work the top few inches of soil. A lot of Probiotic Gardens use compost and bokashi and that's it. They rely solely on the microbes to eat the compost and feed the plant. Many ways to skin the cat, I like the hybrid approach of using methods from all of them. Ferments and plant/fruit extracts are my next avenue to go down. I use buildasoil Pumpkin Extract now and loving it. Country Roots is another great place for probiotic products, They are big into Vortex water, and remineralizing RO, it's pretty Damn interesting stuff!!

IrieRoots said:

Be-1 is on Amazon, it's $20 a bag and if you go to the Be-1 homepage there is great info, you will see why I recommend it!! they have a Be-2 product too but its just micronized humic acid and that base is covered well by Nectar and other products we both use.
Most all bokashi is innoculated with EM-1, buildasoil just carries the brand that trademarks EM-1(teraganix). Its pricey compared to other brands, on Amazon the Bokashi Brothers or SCD Probiotic both are good bokashi at 1/2 the price.
So that amended soil is your version of a super soil? Do you still feed nectar at regular strength with the ammended soil? Your recipe is pretty much my recycled soil recipe to recharge after a run, pretty kick ass, Tim McCormick of Cultured does a great recycle video that is pretty much everything you are doing.
I do more of a living soil rather than a super soil, in particular the Version 3 recipe on buildasoil. If you look at the Version 2 soil on Buildasoil there is a link to Modern Microbes website and theres lots of good info there too. Check out GrowingOrganic dot com too....loads of info on all things living soil. I don't run Nectar with buildasoil version soil mixes, sometimes Herc if needed. I'm curios about experimenting more with using Herc to drive a living soil. I think it could really be a gamechanger!!

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my amended soil is not a super soil , but I like to make a super soil out of fresh #4 soil , or amended soil ...

IrieRoots said:

Be-1 is on Amazon, it's $20 a bag and if you go to the Be-1 homepage there is great info, you will see why I recommend it!! they have a Be-2 product too but its just micronized humic acid and that base is covered well by Nectar and other products we both use.
Most all bokashi is innoculated with EM-1, buildasoil just carries the brand that trademarks EM-1(teraganix). Its pricey compared to other brands, on Amazon the Bokashi Brothers or SCD Probiotic both are good bokashi at 1/2 the price.
So that amended soil is your version of a super soil? Do you still feed nectar at regular strength with the ammended soil? Your recipe is pretty much my recycled soil recipe to recharge after a run, pretty kick ass, Tim McCormick of Cultured does a great recycle video that is pretty much everything you are doing.
I do more of a living soil rather than a super soil, in particular the Version 3 recipe on buildasoil. If you look at the Version 2 soil on Buildasoil there is a link to Modern Microbes website and theres lots of good info there too. Check out GrowingOrganic dot com too....loads of info on all things living soil. I don't run Nectar with buildasoil version soil mixes, sometimes Herc if needed. I'm curios about experimenting more with using Herc to drive a living soil. I think it could really be a gamechanger!!

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that's where I got the amended soil from is watching Tim McCormick video . I do feed Nectar regular strength (roman) not the full line.. plus started using Pegasus as a terp builder ...

IrieRoots said:

Also, go to a beer brewstore and you can get Malted Barley Grains and they will mill them for you. Its a great TopD ingredient, worm food, soil mix additive. Its loaded with enzymes and sugars. It can be bubbled in water to be an instant Seed sprout tea. Clackamas coot swears by it, uses it to set resin glands for ripening....TERPTASTIC!!

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at what week starting using it ?

Water in 2nd week and every 2 weeks there out, Add barley grains with top dress too.

I've never heard Pegasus used for terps, more of a niitrogen bump, I love the vibrant plant color it produces, I foliar it with Kraken in veg

IrieRoots said:

I've never heard Pegasus used for terps, more of a niitrogen bump, I love the vibrant plant color it produces, I foliar it with Kraken in veg

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Scott was saying that some people seen more oil when used thru flower....