SB85
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Do you think Nixon is going to run under her own platform or is she going to endorse Cuomo?
Bernie Sanders Our Revolution lost in every election yesterday
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Do you think Nixon is going to run under her own platform or is she going to endorse Cuomo?
Fogdog
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Cuomo is not a conservative. He's not only liberal but he's racked up successes and progress in practically every important category for the liberal left. The Progressive left is complaining he's not liberal enough for them. Still, he's won office twice, he has scored major success for liberal causes and he's going to win another term. It's really hard to say what NY will say about an actress who hasn't said much at all. As of March 19, she had no positions on what she'd do for hot button issues of the day such as criminal justice and housing in NY. All I can find that she's said is a vague "I support education". Well goddam. That's radical.
I can't "support" Cuomo because I don't live in NY. My only interest there is that NY keep a Democrat in the governor's house. It's up to the voters of NY to choose whom they want. In the case of Democrats, they chose to endorse Cuomo to run as their candidate. I'm satisfied with that because Cuomo is an established progressive liberal with a winning track record. If you are in any way representative of Progressives, then their opposition is based upon rhetoric and ignorance.
Tell me, what's so great about Cynthia Nixon over Cuomo? If I lived in New York, why should I choose Nixon?
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Fogdog
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You didn't answer his question.
Fogdog
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Our Revolution is 25 wins and 24 losses in cherry-picked liberal districts. Some of those candidates that won were also endorsed by establishment Democrats. Stacey Abrams for one.
SB85
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I have yet to see Bernie himself go on the frontlines and really promote any of the progressive candidates
Fogdog
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True that.
Your post got me wondering about that and it turns out Politico published a report yesterday that backs up your statement.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/21/bernie-sanders-democrats-2018-599331
Bernie Sanders’ top operatives formed “Our Revolution” after he lost the 2016 primaries to keep his army organized and motivated — and potentially prepare for another presidential run in 2020.
But an extensive review of the Sanders-inspired group depicts an organization in disarray — operating primarily as a promotional vehicle for its leader and sometimes even snubbing candidates aligned with Sanders. Our Revolution has shown no ability to tip a major Democratic election in its favor — despite possessing Sanders’ email list, the envy of the Democratic Party — and can claim no major wins in 2018 as its own.
From this report, it doesn't seem that Sanders is following through on his promise to build a Progressive movement at all. He's pretty much turned over the Our Revolution operation to others. Ever since the 2016 primary was over, Bernie has just acted on his own, has done nothing to build bridges with people who voted against him in the primary and been pretty much a non-factor in this year's primaries.
SB85
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Bernie talks about the progressive movement going mainstream but he doesn't put his foot on the ground for any of the candidates
Unclebaldrick
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My opinion of the man has suffered due to his delusional minions but I have recognized that and tried to just look at him. So far I am unimpressed.
I highly doubt whether I will ever cast another vote for him.
Fogdog
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I'm OK with Sanders. To be fair, he showed up in the Pennsylvania primaries and spoke out for several candidates. I'm not sure how well his people did there but he did show. He's been active in other states too.
That said he's not been taking on the mantle of a party leader. Not really showing up that anybody would notice. If you look up reaction to his speech at a town hall meeting in Jackson Mississippi, you'd see that since the 2016 election ended he's only done harm to his relationship with black Democratic Party voters. I don't see how he can win the primary in 2020. Personally, I think his day in the sun is over.
Not that cultists like Pad and tty recognize this.
Fogdog
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Are you a New Yorker? If so,
What I read is she is going to petition to get onto the August primary ballot. I'm just wondering how badly Cuomo is doing with Democrats in New York? Do you think Nixon or somebody else has a strong enough following to make the primary competitive? Or is all this press more ballyhoo from Sanders' self proclaimed Progressives?
SB85
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The dem party is rolling behind Cuomo and that's the way democrats in the city are going to vote. Nixon doesn't have a strong enough following to make any real impact in the election. The only thing she could do put spotlights on certain issues which would lead Cuomo in a position to make the proper changes.
Padawanbater2
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Our Revolution/Justice Dems/actual progressives have about a 50% win rate so far. They are doing spectacular across the board for a movement that's less than 2 years old. PJS earned 30% of the vote in WV against Manchin who spent more than 50 times as much on his campaign while his previous oppenent spent significantly more and only earned 20% of the vote. Her first time running for political office.. More than a dozen actual progressives have won their primaries, even defeating incumbent corporate Democrats.
The real test, however, will be how well they do against Republicans compared to their Republican light counterparts in the Democratic party.
The real test, however, will be how well they do against Republicans compared to their Republican light counterparts in the Democratic party.
travisw
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Bernie Sanders political group sees 2nd departure, sparking concerns about racial tensions
A co-vice chair of Our Revolution who accused the group of insensitivity toward Latinos parts ways in the wake of a POLITICO report.
The tumult at Our Revolution continued raging with the resignation of another founding board member late Wednesday.
The decision by Catalina Velasquez, an undocumented immigrant and transgender activist who was co-vice chair of the Bernie Sanders-inspired organization, came during a week of reverberations in the wake of a POLITICO report detailing widespread problems within the group.
A number of people have complained about inattention by the group to Latino and immigrant issues. Others have cited open hostility by a woman whom Our Revolution President Nina Turner had tried to make her chief of staff.
“For the past month, we have been fighting divisive narratives targeting immigrants and pinning us against other oppressed peoples,” wrote Velasquez in a letter she posted on Twitter. “I have faced this with little to no support from the organizational leadership.”
Velasquez’s departure follows the resignation of Lucy Flores, a former Nevada assemblywoman and fellow founding board member, who quit in April over her own anger at Our Revolution for, in her view, ignoring issues important to Latinos. The group’s former political director has also claimed she was fired by Turner for helping with organizing in favor of the DREAM Act, which Turner has not disputed.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/24/our-revolution-bernie-sanders-staff-changes-607330
A co-vice chair of Our Revolution who accused the group of insensitivity toward Latinos parts ways in the wake of a POLITICO report.
The tumult at Our Revolution continued raging with the resignation of another founding board member late Wednesday.
The decision by Catalina Velasquez, an undocumented immigrant and transgender activist who was co-vice chair of the Bernie Sanders-inspired organization, came during a week of reverberations in the wake of a POLITICO report detailing widespread problems within the group.
A number of people have complained about inattention by the group to Latino and immigrant issues. Others have cited open hostility by a woman whom Our Revolution President Nina Turner had tried to make her chief of staff.
“For the past month, we have been fighting divisive narratives targeting immigrants and pinning us against other oppressed peoples,” wrote Velasquez in a letter she posted on Twitter. “I have faced this with little to no support from the organizational leadership.”
Velasquez’s departure follows the resignation of Lucy Flores, a former Nevada assemblywoman and fellow founding board member, who quit in April over her own anger at Our Revolution for, in her view, ignoring issues important to Latinos. The group’s former political director has also claimed she was fired by Turner for helping with organizing in favor of the DREAM Act, which Turner has not disputed.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/24/our-revolution-bernie-sanders-staff-changes-607330
Padawanbater2
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WASHINGTON – Following media reports on personnel and leadership matters at Our Revolution, Senator Nina Turner, president of the organization, today released the following statement:
“As you may know, Politico published an article impugning my leadership and questioning the effectiveness of Our Revolution. While there were many false assertions surfaced in the article, I want to focus on a couple of particular points.
“First, the comments made by Tezlyn Figaro are not beliefs espoused by myself or Our Revolution. I understand that we all have room to grow and evolve, and while we encourage growth, I am committed to maintaining a work environment that is safe and supportive for all. Tezlyn has publicly apologized for her comments and while she is still part of our paid staff, the matter is under advisement by myself and the Our Revolution board of directors.
“Relatedly, this organization has a strong history of standing firmly with undocumented immigrants. We have not and will not abandon immigrant individuals and families, and I look forward to continuing working with our board of directors and staff to strengthen this work.
"Let me also share that I was sorry to see Erika Andiola's statement last night. I have the utmost respect for her commitment to immigrant justice, and I wish her the absolute best. Given the sensitivity of personnel matters, I am unable to comment further.
“Finally, the other allegations in the article (that our fundraising is down or that I am using my position to run for political office) are categorically false. For an organization that has existed for less than two years, we are doing impressively well. This is evidenced by our 45 percent electoral success rate and the incredible growth of local grassroots groups to almost 600 with several international groups. Like any new organization, we are learning and growing each day, but the best is yet to come.
“In conclusion, while the comments about me and my leadership are disappointing, I am focused on the task at hand – supporting progressive groups, issues, and candidates. Our Board of Directors and staff remain committed to moving the progressive revolution forward and transforming our nation’s political system. On the heels of critical midterm elections, we can’t afford to do anything less.”
“As you may know, Politico published an article impugning my leadership and questioning the effectiveness of Our Revolution. While there were many false assertions surfaced in the article, I want to focus on a couple of particular points.
“First, the comments made by Tezlyn Figaro are not beliefs espoused by myself or Our Revolution. I understand that we all have room to grow and evolve, and while we encourage growth, I am committed to maintaining a work environment that is safe and supportive for all. Tezlyn has publicly apologized for her comments and while she is still part of our paid staff, the matter is under advisement by myself and the Our Revolution board of directors.
“Relatedly, this organization has a strong history of standing firmly with undocumented immigrants. We have not and will not abandon immigrant individuals and families, and I look forward to continuing working with our board of directors and staff to strengthen this work.
"Let me also share that I was sorry to see Erika Andiola's statement last night. I have the utmost respect for her commitment to immigrant justice, and I wish her the absolute best. Given the sensitivity of personnel matters, I am unable to comment further.
“Finally, the other allegations in the article (that our fundraising is down or that I am using my position to run for political office) are categorically false. For an organization that has existed for less than two years, we are doing impressively well. This is evidenced by our 45 percent electoral success rate and the incredible growth of local grassroots groups to almost 600 with several international groups. Like any new organization, we are learning and growing each day, but the best is yet to come.
“In conclusion, while the comments about me and my leadership are disappointing, I am focused on the task at hand – supporting progressive groups, issues, and candidates. Our Board of Directors and staff remain committed to moving the progressive revolution forward and transforming our nation’s political system. On the heels of critical midterm elections, we can’t afford to do anything less.”
Unclebaldrick
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Isn't there a video?