Soon, the world will be burning 100 million barrels of oil EVERY DAY

ttystikk

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Co-gen plants will have their place as alternet energy usage becomes more pronounced but the biggest hurdle is the NIMBY groups that block these plants that must be centrally located to work effectively. The one issue with the renewable programs offered here was the outlandish return on investment in Ontario. Just another scheme to help the rich get richer off the backs of others. They have thankfully reduced those returns. As for government versus private, well who the hell knows. Seems it hasn’t worked with government control here, we’ll see, now that we’ve sold off the power Gen part.
Cogeneration can work effectively at the home level. Fuel cells are perhaps there most promising example; up to 60% of the energy in natural gas can be converted to electricity. The heat and water color can be used- and if the homeowner has a greenhouse, even the CO2 can be used.

Frankly, the obvious efficiencies of such a system have the shareholders of power utilities justifiably terrified.
 

Budley Doright

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Cogeneration can work effectively at the home level. Fuel cells are perhaps there most promising example; up to 60% of the energy in natural gas can be converted to electricity. The heat and water color can be used- and if the homeowner has a greenhouse, even the CO2 can be used.

Frankly, the obvious efficiencies of such a system have the shareholders of power utilities justifiably terrified.
And it can be effective in the urban setting as well, servicing multiple homes. It is actually the utilities, albeit private for the most part, that are promoting them here. Just as they are promoting and installing geo loops for multiple homes that they will lease. A few of the biggest companies in the states and Canada (enbridge gas) are doing this. I also believe Alphabet is now one one the biggest buyers of renewable energy companies, including loop fields ..... guaranteed cash flow for ever :).
 

UncleBuck

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Nothing is being created, just redistributed... the dinos didn't seem to mind a little extra co2. Make weeds grow faster!
amazing how a little propaganda from oil companies can get cucks like you to believe whatever you're told

such weak minds
 

OldMedUser

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One good super volcano could put enough fine ash into the upper atmosphere that we'd be back-peddling on trying to stop global warming right quick. Be busy fighting another ice age then.

Fossil fuel use will go way down when the world's population could be reduced by half or better.

If Yosemite goes there will be less than half the Amerikan population left for sure. Sure hope it's the almost half that voted for the Dumpster. :D
 

SneekyNinja

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Which is exactly true.

The drivel you then spewed was not. This is becoming all too common for you, Stinkydigit.
It's the way you said it, you presented it as "renewables aren't working, time for a new plan".

Don't go on your fucking monthly bleed at me just because you can't compose a few paragraphs properly.

Fuel cells still burn natural gas, you moronic special needs cuck, ie it's not renewable, it's just cleaner than coal.

It still needs to be mined, refined, compressed and stored, all resulting in a net energy loss.

Solar is the way forward anywhere on Earth that has a normal day-night cycle.

Theyre solid state, completely passive to the user and completely silent. No inputs, no emissions, just sunlight as an input and beautiful, clean, DC electricity out.

Even areas receiving lower w/m^2 just need to scale up the amount of panels.

There is literally no counter you can make to benefit fuel cells over PV solar.
 

Rob Roy

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It's clear you don't get out much, because a 'free' market is what caused all these problems.

It's clear you do not know what a free market is and have mistaken a protectionist crony capitalist market for a free market.

When / if you do learn the difference you will probably take the Bernie Sanders posters off your wall and burn them with your Che Guevara t shirt.

 
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Rob Roy

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Co-gen plants will have their place as alternet energy usage becomes more pronounced but the biggest hurdle is the NIMBY groups that block these plants that must be centrally located to work effectively. The one issue with the renewable programs offered here was the outlandish return on investment in Ontario. Just another scheme to help the rich get richer off the backs of others. They have thankfully reduced those returns. As for government versus private, well who the hell knows. Seems it hasn’t worked with government control here, we’ll see, now that we’ve sold off the power Gen part.

Decentralization often spurs innovation.
Government is a tool most often used to reduce competition, hence, stifling innovation.


If Orville and Wilbur Wright had the kind of regulatory controls that exist today, they'd have stuck to making bicycles.
 

Budley Doright

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Decentralization often spurs innovation.
Government is a tool most often used to reduce competition, hence, stifling innovation.


If Orville and Wilbur Wright had the kind of regulatory controls that exist today, they'd have stuck to making bicycles.
I agree somewhat but as we have basically privatized our power generation in the last year we’ll see how it works out. My whole job has turned into compliance manager to meet all of the regulations in the fuel and electric trades :(.
 

Rob Roy

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I agree somewhat but as we have basically privatized our power generation in the last year we’ll see how it works out. My whole job has turned into compliance manager to meet all of the regulations in the fuel and electric trades :(.

I'm more a fan of real privatization in a micro and macro sense.

What appears to be privatization now, isn't really since it has far too much cronyism in it. Think protectionism, tariffs and big oil and you'll be on the right track.

My preference would be a proliferation of alternative efficient housing and millions of independent solar sites, but wind and hydro make a lot of sense if your site is right for it.

Sorry to hear you've got the unrewarding task of compliance manager.
 

schuylaar

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Decentralized power generation is something I'd like to see more of.

Humans should be composting their shit instead of creating bureaucratic sewage treatment etc.

A free market would address these problems. Gee. thanks government.
It’s called the moat.
 
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Budley Doright

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I'm more a fan of real privatization in a micro and macro sense.

What appears to be privatization now, isn't really since it has far too much cronyism in it. Think protectionism, tariffs and big oil and you'll be on the right track.

My preference would be a proliferation of alternative efficient housing and millions of independent solar sites, but wind and hydro make a lot of sense if your site is right for it.

Sorry to hear you've got the unrewarding task of compliance manager.
Thanks for your sympathy lol. Codes and regs have become my life lol. We have both solar farms and wind farms popping up everywhere but in a bit turned off by the solar farms honestly. They’ve destroyed thousands of acres of land here and I’m thinking that’s not a great thing, would be if I owned the land though lol. Buddy just leased 100 acres, 25 year lease at $50,000 a year.
 

Rob Roy

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Thanks for your sympathy lol. Codes and regs have become my life lol. We have both solar farms and wind farms popping up everywhere but in a bit turned off by the solar farms honestly. They’ve destroyed thousands of acres of land here and I’m thinking that’s not a great thing, would be if I owned the land though lol. Buddy just leased 100 acres, 25 year lease at $50,000 a year.

I'd love to see even more micro decentralization than that and have individual homes set up self sufficient.

Also, I'm curious about generating power from tidal flow, something you don't hear a lot about.

I'd rather see windmills and solar farms than blood for oil.
 

ttystikk

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One good super volcano could put enough fine ash into the upper atmosphere that we'd be back-peddling on trying to stop global warming right quick. Be busy fighting another ice age then.

Fossil fuel use will go way down when the world's population could be reduced by half or better.

If Yosemite goes there will be less than half the Amerikan population left for sure. Sure hope it's the almost half that voted for the Dumpster. :D
The ash would only last for a few years, then right back to warming again.
 

ttystikk

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It's the way you said it, you presented it as "renewables aren't working, time for a new plan".

Don't go on your fucking monthly bleed at me just because you can't compose a few paragraphs properly.

Fuel cells still burn natural gas, you moronic special needs cuck, ie it's not renewable, it's just cleaner than coal.

It still needs to be mined, refined, compressed and stored, all resulting in a net energy loss.

Solar is the way forward anywhere on Earth that has a normal day-night cycle.

Theyre solid state, completely passive to the user and completely silent. No inputs, no emissions, just sunlight as an input and beautiful, clean, DC electricity out.

Even areas receiving lower w/m^2 just need to scale up the amount of panels.

There is literally no counter you can make to benefit fuel cells over PV solar.
Ever heard of biogas?

How they let you have a Master's degree is one of the great mysteries the universe, Stinkydigit.
 

blu3bird

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I'd love to see even more micro decentralization than that and have individual homes set up self sufficient.

Also, I'm curious about generating power from tidal flow, something you don't hear a lot about.

I'd rather see windmills and solar farms than blood for oil.
Hey we have this here in Michigan (Mason county), I drive past it often. These windmills are pretty cool, they're huge
http://www.lakewindsenergypark.com
 

Budley Doright

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Ever heard of biogas?

How they let you have a Master's degree is one of the great mysteries the universe, Stinkydigit.
If your talking about individual co Gen units how does the biogas get from source to house? I’ve only ever seen point of use biogas plants here, mainly in a few farms and dump sites? I haven’t research it at all though. I’m sure my dogs massive dumps could heat my house ;). I have also heard that the gas delivery system down there is pretty much maxed out in the east, not sure how true that is. I do think even using Natural gas is a better alternative to oil for power generation at the moment. We have cities trying to limit any new hydrocarbon usage now (Vancouver), not sure if they figured out where the electricity is coming from to make up the difference but they better start lol. Tidal power seems to be only in the early development stages and great for people living in coastal areas. Hydro power is quite distructive typically but clean if you have the rivers (Quebec) and don’t mind contaminating the water shed. We have had wind farms here for about 12 years now on an island at the mouth of the St. Lawrence and while embraced by the farms that leased the land for huge amounts, the islanders that don’t farm or own land are mixed in their acceptance. Also they are built on a direct bird migration route so massive bird death toll. Many power options out there and by combining all of them and net zero building design would IMO be a huge step in slowing down the flow. It’ll never stop though, it’s just way to cheap and easy to pump the shit out of the ground.
 

Rob Roy

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If your talking about individual co Gen units how does the biogas get from source to house? I’ve only ever seen point of use biogas plants here, mainly in a few farms and dump sites? I haven’t research it at all though. I’m sure my dogs massive dumps could heat my house ;). I have also heard that the gas delivery system down there is pretty much maxed out in the east, not sure how true that is. I do think even using Natural gas is a better alternative to oil for power generation at the moment. We have cities trying to limit any new hydrocarbon usage now (Vancouver), not sure if they figured out where the electricity is coming from to make up the difference but they better start lol. Tidal power seems to be only in the early development stages and great for people living in coastal areas. Hydro power is quite distructive typically but clean if you have the rivers (Quebec) and don’t mind contaminating the water shed. We have had wind farms here for about 12 years now on an island at the mouth of the St. Lawrence and while embraced by the farms that leased the land for huge amounts, the islanders that don’t farm or own land are mixed in their acceptance. Also they are built on a direct bird migration route so massive bird death toll. Many power options out there and by combining all of them and net zero building design would IMO be a huge step in slowing down the flow. It’ll never stop though, it’s just way to cheap and easy to pump the shit out of the ground.

I think biogas is lighter than air, so it probably could be set up passive or if more is needed a small suction fan might do the trick. There are videos of cooking stoves using methane. It's basically controlled fart lighting.

I've always thought it wasteful to spend lots of money building sewage treatment plants, when the off gassing methane could be harvested and the left over waste could be composted.
 

Budley Doright

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I think biogas is lighter than air, so it probably could be set up passive or if more is needed a small suction fan might do the trick. There are videos of cooking stoves using methane. It's basically controlled fart lighting.

I've always thought it wasteful to spend lots of money building sewage treatment plants, when the off gassing methane could be harvested and the left over waste could be composted.
I’ve seen it in action actually, a family dairy farm close by uses the waste gas to power a generator and heat the house, using a heat pump as well. It’s pretty cool actually and uses an otherwise big pile of shit lol.
 
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