Honey As A Supplement

Milovan

Well-Known Member
(apply at your own risk)
Some actions have irriversable consequences but I
hope to prove I'm not a idiot.

For the flowering phase in a soil container grow,
I've been looking for a good organic way to sweeten
the taste and smell of my buds, and at the same time
fatten the buds up while building a substantual
amount of trichs (crystals), so for the past week
to do this, I've been
extensively researching on which organic
food supplement can I use that is easily soluble,
most readily available to the plant(s) and does
not contain unwanted, useless or harmful ingredients.

Raw honey does have microbe inhibitors so I believe using
molasses up to the last 2 weeks of flower will
increase/strengthen the numbers of those beneficials in the
soil prolonging their life
for the last 2 weeks during the honey applications.

With that said, I would like to add something to my feeding/watering
regiment that is all natural, high in carbs and fructose. I say
fructose because of the hydrocarbons in fructose.
We know that THC is a molecule that has carbon, hydrogen and
oxygen.

These same elements are the same as in a hydrocarbon such as sugar.

So basically, 1 tbsp of raw honey per gallon every other
watering/feeding for the last 2 weeks of flowering should give
me the overall desired results I'm looking for.

By adding honey to my water, I am adding fructose. Fructose is the simplest of all the sugars,
and is immediately available to the plant.
More complex sugars such as sucrose (as in household sugar or molasses) maltose, or dextrose, take longer to become available to the plant, and have all been
refined, losing all the natural benefits of raw honey.

My reason for using honey is because on average it has a higher carb count
then molasses or any white, brown or raw sugars.
Nectar itself is composed mainly of sucrose and water. Bees add enzymes that create additional chemical compounds, inverting the sucrose into fructose and glucose, and then evaporate the water so
that the resulting product will resist spoiling.

Hence, honey is a source of carbohydrates, containing

* 80% natural sugar -- mostly fructose and glucose. Due to the high level of fructose,
honey is sweeter than table sugar.


* 18% water. The less water content the honey has, the better the quality of honey.
* 2% minerals, vitamins, pollen and protein.
The vitamins present in honey are B6, thiamin, niacin, riboflavin, pantothenic acid and certain
amino acids. The minerals found in honey include calcium, copper, iron, magnesium,
manganese, phosphorus, potassium, sodium and zinc.

Raw honey also lends distinct floral notes that molasses and table sugars
do not. This sold me the most for sweetening buds!

I have also read on several posts that honey has worked for sweetening buds best for the
one's that have tried this method in side by side comparisons with either one plant
having been fed raw honey, the other like plant no raw honey and other plants with other
types of sweeteners that included Bud Candy, Sweet, Humboldt Honey etc... organic fruit
juices, foods (melons etc..) soda's, sugars, molasses,
corn syrup, maple syrup etc...some of these having harmful and or useless
ingredients not good for the health of the plant. Fruit juices we know have high citric
acid content.

The average pH of honey is 3.9, but can range from 3.4 to 6.1. Honey contains many kinds \
of acids, both organic and amino. However, the different types and their amounts vary
considerably, depending on the type of honey. These acids may be aromatic or aliphatic (non-aromatic).
The aliphatic acids contribute greatly to the flavor of honey by interacting with the flavors of other ingredients. Gluconic acid, for instance, is a flavor enhancer. The aromatic acids, such as malic acid, come mostly
from the flowers, adding to the aroma and taste of the honey.
Organic acids comprise most of the acids in honey, accounting for 0.17–1.17% of the mixture.


When adding honey to your water, many of the minor substances in honey can be affected greatly by heating, changing the flavor, aroma, or other properties, so heating is usually done at the lowest temperature possible for the shortest amount of time.

Raw honey has about 19 grams carbs per tbsp and contains 50% fructose.
White sugar has 12.60 carbs per tbsp and contains 50% fructose.
Brown sugar has about 4 grams carbs whereas molasses has about
15 grams carbs per tbsp and contains 60% fructose.

Raw honey is honey as it exists in the beehive or as obtained by extraction, settling or straining, without adding heat (although some honey that has been "minimally processed" is often labeled as raw honey).[SUP][/SUP]Raw honey contains some pollen and may contain small particles of wax.

Raw honey by way of it's composition is naturally self-preserving
therefor resistant to bacteria, mold and fungi.
known antioxidant compounds in honey prevents cells and tissues from
breaking down and this prolongs cell life,wards off disease and assists
in the absorption of vital nutrients.

AN carboload is basically refined molasses.
To organically fatten and sweeten
up those buds for harvest, it looks like raw honey has the best properties to do this.
After all Honey is the nectar of the gods.
 

Medicine4Me

Active Member
I'm looking for alternate ways to feed the plants organics that are less expensive than all of the pre-mixed nutrients, bloom and bud enhancers, etc. I have a shit load of Boost, Big Bud, Bud Candy, Bat quano, and pre-mixed nutrients that I bought just before retirement when money flowed easy.

When I run out of that stuff I'm going to have to find less expensive ways to keep my herb good.

My wife is such a stoner - If I want a mellow woman to live with I have to have plenty of herb.

I use the shit out of it too due to an auto accident. So we both need good herb the rest of our days.

I'll try and follow this to see what all is said.

Good Post and thanks for your knowledge.
 

Milovan

Well-Known Member
As the same goes with all sweeteners
using raw honey may bring unwanted pests
but since the applications are during the
last 2 weeks of flower the number of pests
should be at very minimal at least
easily controllable or may bring no pests depending
on the environment.

I read that letting the "honey" water sit over night
before watering helps dissolve the honey more/better
but is not necessary for watering.
Also it is important to let the water thoroughly cool
before any application.
 

polyarcturus

Well-Known Member
(apply at your own risk)
Some actions have irriversable consequences but I
hope to prove I'm not a idiot.

For the flowering phase in a soil container grow,
I've been looking for a good organic way to sweeten
the taste and smell of my buds, and at the same time
fatten the buds up while building a substantual
amount of trichs (crystals), so for the past week
to do this, I've been
extensively researching on which organic
food supplement can I use that is easily soluble,
most readily available to the plant(s) and does
not contain unwanted, useless or harmful ingredients.

Raw honey does have microbe inhibitors so I believe using
molasses up to the last 2 weeks of flower will
increase/strengthen the numbers of those beneficials in the
soil prolonging their life
for the last 2 weeks during the honey applications.

With that said, I would like to add something to my feeding/watering
regiment that is all natural, high in carbs and fructose. I say
fructose because of the hydrocarbons in fructose.
We know that THC is a molecule that has carbon, hydrogen and
oxygen.

These same elements are the same as in a hydrocarbon such as sugar.

So basically, 1 tbsp of raw honey per gallon every other
watering/feeding for the last 2 weeks of flowering should give
me the overall desired results I'm looking for.

By adding honey to my water, I am adding fructose. Fructose is the simplest of all the sugars,
and is immediately available to the plant.
More complex sugars such as sucrose (as in household sugar or molasses) maltose, or dextrose, take longer to become available to the plant, and have all been
refined, losing all the natural benefits of raw honey.

My reason for using honey is because on average it has a higher carb count
then molasses or any white, brown or raw sugars.
Nectar itself is composed mainly of sucrose and water. Bees add enzymes that create additional chemical compounds, inverting the sucrose into fructose and glucose, and then evaporate the water so
that the resulting product will resist spoiling.

Hence, honey is a source of carbohydrates, containing

* 80% natural sugar -- mostly fructose and glucose. Due to the high level of fructose,
honey is sweeter than table sugar.


* 18% water. The less water content the honey has, the better the quality of honey.
* 2% minerals, vitamins, pollen and protein.
The vitamins present in honey are B6, thiamin, niacin, riboflavin, pantothenic acid and certain
amino acids. The minerals found in honey include calcium, copper, iron, magnesium,
manganese, phosphorus, potassium, sodium and zinc.

Raw honey also lends distinct floral notes that molasses and table sugars
do not. This sold me the most for sweetening buds!

I have also read on several posts that honey has worked for sweetening buds best for the
one's that have tried this method in side by side comparisons with either one plant
having been fed raw honey, the other like plant no raw honey and other plants with other
types of sweeteners that included Bud Candy, Sweet, Humboldt Honey etc... organic fruit
juices, foods (melons etc..) soda's, sugars, molasses,
corn syrup, maple syrup etc...some of these having harmful and or useless
ingredients not good for the health of the plant. Fruit juices we know have high citric
acid content.

The average pH of honey is 3.9, but can range from 3.4 to 6.1. Honey contains many kinds \
of acids, both organic and amino. However, the different types and their amounts vary
considerably, depending on the type of honey. These acids may be aromatic or aliphatic (non-aromatic).
The aliphatic acids contribute greatly to the flavor of honey by interacting with the flavors of other ingredients. Gluconic acid, for instance, is a flavor enhancer. The aromatic acids, such as malic acid, come mostly
from the flowers, adding to the aroma and taste of the honey.
Organic acids comprise most of the acids in honey, accounting for 0.17–1.17% of the mixture.


When adding honey to your water, many of the minor substances in honey can be affected greatly by heating, changing the flavor, aroma, or other properties, so heating is usually done at the lowest temperature possible for the shortest amount of time.

Raw honey has about 19 grams carbs per tbsp and contains 50% fructose.
White sugar has 12.60 carbs per tbsp and contains 50% fructose.
Brown sugar has about 4 grams carbs whereas molasses has about
15 grams carbs per tbsp and contains 60% fructose.

Raw honey is honey as it exists in the beehive or as obtained by extraction, settling or straining, without adding heat (although some honey that has been "minimally processed" is often labeled as raw honey).Raw honey contains some pollen and may contain small particles of wax.

Raw honey by way of it's composition is naturally self-preserving
therefor resistant to bacteria, mold and fungi.
known antioxidant compounds in honey prevents cells and tissues from
breaking down and this prolongs cell life,wards off disease and assists
in the absorption of vital nutrients.

AN carboload is basically refined molasses.
To organically fatten and sweeten
up those buds for harvest, it looks like raw honey has the best properties to do this.
After all Honey is the nectar of the gods.
glad some else is joining the honey train, i use honey and i love it works wonders anaerobic bacteria hate it as a food source.
 

Growop101

Well-Known Member
What about regular honey you get from the grocery store.
I think its pasteurized or something?

I used this in my most recent tea.
 

Nizza

Well-Known Member
organic, unsulphered blackstrap molasses is what you want, im pretty sure. I think it would be your best interest to make a compost tea brewer while ur doing your normal stuff, and practice different teas with a few "experiment" plants. the blackstrap is used in diff recipes, and i know there are threads on this site that give you advanced recipes
let me hook u up with some intro links :-D http://www.uos.harvard.edu/fmo/landscape/organiclandscaping/build_tea_brewer.pdf
http://www.uos.harvard.edu/fmo/landscape/organiclandscaping/tea_recipes.pdf
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/24/garden/gardensidebar.html?_r=1
 

Endur0xX

Well-Known Member
He is not saying not to use molasse only to replace it for raw honey for the last 2 weeks. Not that long ago I tried honey in my tea because I didnt have molasse, I then learned that it has some anti-bacterial properties so you dont want to use raw honey for you teas(thats how I understand it for now) But what you are saying makes sense. I might give it a try .
 

Milovan

Well-Known Member
Yes the last 2 weeks is best for this method because of it's anti-bacterial properties.

Regular honey is pasteurized and filtered.

[h=3]Raw Honey Vs Liquid Honey: What is the Difference?[/h] So what exactly is the difference between raw honey and the perfectly golden,
liquid honey that you see often bottled in a squeezable hive?First of all, raw honey has not been heated excessively through pasteurization.
The only way to get that perfectly clear look of most commercial honeys is to heat it
and then filter it excessively.

The problem with heat is that many nutrients are very sensitive to it and die.
You may get strange looks when you tell people your raw honey is 'alive', but you're
absolutely correct to a certain extent.

Raw honey is filtered, but very minimally and in a manor not to destroy the health promoting enzymes and other nutrients.

You'll also notice raw honey is solid at room temperature (like honey should be) and it also looks almost milky. It is not a golden and perfectly clear liquid.
Let that be a sign to you - the murky look to your honey is assurance that it still contains it bee pollen granules, bee propolis, vitamins, minerals, enzymes and whatever else raw honey contains that we haven't figured out yet!
 

polyarcturus

Well-Known Member
i combine my honey w. cornsyrup i use it in all my teas in place of mol. but sometimes i use mol too. they are both good sources but honey contains natural elements from plant matierial in a form that can both be a food to bacteria and nutrients to plants.
 

scroglodyte

Well-Known Member
nonsense.......all of it. plants make whatever sugars they need. i want my cannabis to taste like cannabis......
 

polyarcturus

Well-Known Member
it is nonsense as far as affecting the taste i know his but whats good for my microbes is good for the plant and ive never had any probs with honey.
 

HTP

Active Member
Minus the microbe in the honey .... What about just pure fructose? I got #'s of it. like ... lots of #'s ........
 

Milovan

Well-Known Member
nonsense.......all of it. plants make whatever sugars they need. i want my cannabis to taste like cannabis......
Yes but a big boost to bring out the most is a very good thing.
Maximizing is the key not just settling for what ever you get or
whatever happens I believe.
 

Milovan

Well-Known Member
Minus the microbe in the honey .... What about just pure fructose? I got #'s of it. like ... lots of #'s ........


Crystallized fructose could be good but honey has this and much
more beneficials for a better grow.
 

Milovan

Well-Known Member
it is nonsense as far as affecting the taste i know his but
whats good for my microbes is good for the plant and ive never had any probs with honey.
I guess "affecting taste" might work better for some strains
compared to others whereas there have been several reports of honey
bringing a better sweeter aroma and taste to buds. Might depend
on dosage and type of honey as well. The acids in honey carry floral properties that might
be transferred to the plants in the form of simple sugars broken down.
Could also be because of the monosaccharide content.

Good to hear you never had any problems using honey. Raw honey
contains bee pollen granules, bee propolis, vitamins, minerals, enzymes and whatever else raw
honey contains that we haven't figured out yet.
Not all honeys are created equal. Often times less desirable, less nutritious.

[h=3]Different Varieties of Unpasteurized Honey[/h] There are also different varieties of honey. This can change the color and
the flavor of the honey because the bees get the nectar from specific types of flowers, weeds or blossoms. Here's a good list of honey varieties/types that could very well affect taste in buds.

• Raw Honey (unpasteurized)
• Manuka Honey from New Zealand
• Summer Blossom
• Wild Flower
• Buckwheat
• Creamed Honey
• Comb Honey
• Blueberry Honey

Some honeys have a stronger taste and some mild.

A lot of mass honey producers will blend honeys together from a variety of countries.

When selecting a raw honey, make sure the word “raw" is on the label.Or "un-pasteurized." It is extremely rare to hear of raw honey being blended with cheaper
off shore honey so if you stick to raw, you should be safe!

Everyone knows that honeybees make honey. However, the complex formula cannot be
re-produced synthetically by man.
 

HTP

Active Member
Well, One gallon costs $40 - 50. So i guess I will just buy some a give it a go. Worst comes to worse I will just eat it :)
 
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